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GM Haggis
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.09 15:56:00 -
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Hi Everyone
A method of using ships with Ship Maintenance Arrays in order to avoid combat was recently patched out, you will no longer be able to switch ships from a SMA (specifically the Orca) while you are under an aggression timer in High Security space. This will still work in Low and Null Security space.
Please use this thread to post any comments or questions you have about this change. |
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Noot Khorhar
1st Mining and Industrial Logistics Foundation
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:02:00 -
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Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:14:00 -
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Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers.
Muppet.
If you were skilling for an Orca just to do this then I pity tha fool. |
Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:20:00 -
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I wasn't expecting a fix to this for ages O_o nice one CCP. |
Tabernack en Chasteaux
Next Generation Material Solutions
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:23:00 -
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Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers.
AWWWWW, MUFFIN. |
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GM Haggis
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.09 16:46:00 -
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Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers.
The role of the Orca as a mining support vessel has not been changed in any and as that was it's designed purpose we would not consider this change anything other than a bug fix. |
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Zangorus
Targeted Aggression
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Posted - 2011.09.09 17:50:00 -
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Too many suiciding thrashers? Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame! |
Barakkus
668
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:27:00 -
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lolz, people might actually have to fight the fight they pick now in highsec. |
baltec1
25
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:41:00 -
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Poor little can flippers. Now you will have to bite the bullet and die with honour to my battle indi alt rather than getting your orca to bail you out with a t2 cruiser |
Baneken
The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.09.09 19:59:00 -
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Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers.
LOL, It's about time that you Yarrbears have to man up and actually fight. |
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McMorrow
Vice And Valour
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Posted - 2011.09.09 20:07:00 -
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aww, now they actually have to come up with a real strategy
I approve this message |
Coria Tavon
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.10 02:23:00 -
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I don't think any serious ninja who used an Orca for the purpose of swapping ships after getting a mission running bear to shoot at their frigate is surprised at this; it's been a great ride while it lasted. Already we have developed tactics to deal with this new limitation so I hope there are alot of bears emboldened by this nerf that feel brave enough to shoot. However, what really pisses us ninjas off, and I'm sure quite a few other types of players who use the Orca for other than it's mining purpose is how CCP FAILED once again in the customer service category. Why wasn't this nerf announced in the past? A devblog that had a footnote saying this technique was going to be nerfed in the future would have saved many people the aggravation of training an Orca alt for the sole purpose of supporting this playstyle. At the VERY least it should have been mentioned in the patch notes that accompanied the patch for God's sake. CCP knows that a large secondary use of the Orca is to provide a mobile base for operations other than mining. For GM Haggis to suggest to a ninja character then they shouldn't forget that they can continue to use their Orca alt for mining instead of supporting a more nefarious playstyle (that is endorsed by CCP themselves) shows either a staggering lack of comprehension, or total indifference to long term plans made by players based on a ships feature. |
Barbie D0ll
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.10 02:26:00 -
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Noot Khorhar wrote:WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA YOU TOOK MY IWIN BUTTON!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
HAAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
seriously go **** yourself, or do us all a favor and pod yourself |
Beliar Gray
Incursion fund group
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Posted - 2011.09.10 02:31:00 -
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Oh nice silent nerf you did there CCP fellas, its a shame that you have to abide by such lowly techniques... I know that Eve is too full of griefers and that kids want WoW in space but peace and love isnt what defines this game. Scanning and this was a good kick in the nuts, do we at least keep aggro extension or will you go **** that up too? I do not like the direction in which this game is going and Eve becoming like the rest of MMOs wont save your budget either.
PS: It would be really nice if your half page long patch notes included important changes like this, we had to wait 3 days to get the new about whether its a bug or you guys backstabbing us. |
Mumtaz Khan
Nagrom Security Syndicate Flatline.
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Posted - 2011.09.10 04:05:00 -
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Griefer tears are the best tears. What's the matter douchebags? Butthurt that you won't be able to exploit game mechanics to have fun at the expense of others anymore? null and lowsec is where the real men play. |
Armtoe
One.
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Posted - 2011.09.10 05:30:00 -
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GM Haggis wrote:Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers. The role of the Orca as a mining support vessel has not been changed in any and as that was it's designed purpose we would not consider this change anything other than a bug fix.
IMO ccp picked exactly the wrong way to fix it. Limiting choices in a game that promotes itself as a sandbox is simply wrongheaded. The orca is the swiss army knife of the game -- whatever its original role -- the ships flexibility has allowed it to be used in many different ways. This sort of unforseen use of a ship should be promoted by ccp. But uses should be balanced by risk. Here - hot swapping was a problem because the orca didnt assume aggro. CCP should have simply let its players to continue to use the orcas as they see fit, but make it so that use was balanced by the risk of losing the ship in combat, i.e. that the hot swap caused the orca to acquire aggro. |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:02:00 -
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>SSo what, now CCP's expected to tell people when they're going to patch exploits? The only disappointing part about all this is that you can still launch a ship from the cargo, board it while aggressed, and scoop the original ship into the cargo.
It was an abuse of aggression mechanics. They've provided an (inadequate) patch for it -- which is their job. If you trained an alt so you could abuse this, you got exactly what you deserved. Character Bazaar is that way. ==>> |
Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:30:00 -
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Please extend the fix to work in all areas of space for all ships with a maintenance bay |
Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.09.10 06:45:00 -
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It's not really a problem in lowsec or nullsec -- just attack the Orca. The issue is how this mechanic interacts with CONCORD protection.
Edit: Though I could see abuse of the docking timer becoming an issue. My suggestion is to flag the orca or carrier that scoops an aggressed ship with an aggression timer.
Though until they've fixed the workaround described earlier, it's really quite irrelevant. |
Tarsas Phage
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:06:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:It was an abuse of aggression mechanics. They've provided an (inadequate) patch for it -- which is their job. If you trained an alt so you could abuse this, you got exactly what you deserved. Character Bazaar is that way. ==>>
It's not an abuse if the game lets you do it.
Should I be mad if a war target docks his ship and drops corp to avoid being killed? The moment he drops corp, he ceases to be a shootable target. There's no 24 cool down or anything of the sort. If CCP wants to patch methods one can employ to "avoid combat" (GM Haggis's own words), then they need to be comprehensive about it.
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Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:18:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:It's not an abuse if the game lets you do it.
By that logic, nothing in the game is an exploit. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:20:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:It's not really a problem in lowsec or nullsec -- just attack the Orca. The issue is how this mechanic interacts with CONCORD protection. Remove CONCORD protection. Problem solved. |
Tarsas Phage
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:35:00 -
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GM Haggis wrote: The role of the Orca as a mining support vessel has not been changed in any and as that was it's designed purpose we would not consider this change anything other than a bug fix.
I don't buy this as being classified as a mere bug fix. This was a feature of the Orca which has existed since the ship, or ships with SMAs in general, have existed. Considering between then and now is a non-trivial amount of time, and given the recent results of the CSM Crowd Sourcing project, you must be daft to think that anyone will buy the "bug fix" line.
GM Haggis, is CCP now trying to enforce or confine ships to intended roles? Does this mean we can also expect to see Rorquals or Hulks being disallowed to mount neuts, points or any such other offensive modules? How about removing turret slots from Industrials?
And since you seem to be on a bug fixing bent here, lets hear about the progress on fixing the bugs which affect everyone's game play, such as windows sticking to mouse pointers, the random offline module lottery, and other such glaring examples of non-existent pre-release QA testing?
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Tarsas Phage
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:37:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:It's not an abuse if the game lets you do it. By that logic, nothing in the game is an exploit.
Welcome to the (ever shrinking) concept of a sanbox game. You win the prize.
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Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:41:00 -
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So what, we should never fix bugs? Yeah, I'm sure that'll make for a great game... |
Tarsas Phage
Gank Bangers Moar Tears
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:55:00 -
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Aamrr wrote:It's not really a problem in lowsec or nullsec -- just attack the Orca. The issue is how this mechanic interacts with CONCORD protection.
Edit: Though I could see abuse of the docking timer becoming an issue. My suggestion is to flag the orca or carrier that scoops an aggressed ship with an aggression timer..
Hmm. Get /Retreiver/Covetor/Hulk alt aggressed to your main, fly it next to unsuspecting orca, eject, fly the alt's pod out of system and wait for the orca pilot to say "OH free ship!" and scoop it.
Lovely idea.
This exemplifies the real problem - the vast majority of people in EVE never take the time to understand aggression mechanics, even on a basic level. When they eventually get their ship whacked as a result of being ignorant of How Aggro Works, they, well, blame it on things like the Orca.
If a mission runner gets flipped, that flipper is aggressable by the mission runner's entire corp. He can quite easily batphone in his corpmates for help, even if the flipper escalates using an Orca. That's one of the reasons corps exist in eve, right? It has always been this way. If the mission runner himself or his corp is unprepared in this regard, that's the risk he assumes by shooting at the flipper.
So what if the mission runner is in a NPC corp? Well, so what. He has chosen to trade corpmates who could come help him for not being war dec'able.
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Aamrr
HnL Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.09.10 08:59:00 -
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*shrugs* So like any other circumstance, give a popup warning telling you that you're about to receive aggression. Ignore it at your own peril.
Not really any different than stealing from someone's jetcan, really. |
Dracoliche
Stiff Pickle Collection Agency
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Posted - 2011.09.10 09:31:00 -
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Tears all over.
Thanks CCP, for fixing convenient ass-wipery. Safe flipping is kitten flipping. |
Cunane Jeran
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Posted - 2011.09.10 10:03:00 -
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Man up. It was fun while it lasted but now its time to man up and find a new tactic. You have to admit it took the **** a little.
As a sidenote, if you have a now "useless" Orca here is a list of things you can do with it in high sec.
- Haul Stuff
- Miner Support
- Sneaking banned stuff around Empire
Hope the training time was worth it ;D
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Tikera Tissant
5
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Posted - 2011.09.10 10:42:00 -
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GM Haggis wrote:Noot Khorhar wrote:Screw you ccp. cant you announce future changes/nerfs that require long skilling for alts with ships and mechanics not long enough in advance. the second time you hit me with skilling for special things in eve and once i have skilled it is worthless. nice way you treat your paying customers. The role of the Orca as a mining support vessel has not been changed in any and as that was it's designed purpose we would not consider this change anything other than a bug fix.
Why is this a bug? Why can you do it in null or low sec to avoid dying by switching to a stronger ship, but not in high sec when being war-dec or just being ganked?
its not like GCC disappears or you can't be attacked after you switch ships.
It is a bit silly to "fix" it just for high-sec. |
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