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Farrqua Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.18 18:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Jawas As you wish but one of my accounts is a lowsec pirate. If he has the balls to fight, go roaming around Ami, Daran and that area for a couple of nights. Let's see how long he lasts against players who would rather fight against equal opponents rather than noobs. Like I said, we can all shoot noobs but what's the point if you know you're going to win EVERY time? It leads to a very boring game - for both sides. Dude easy. If the guy wants to play that way that is up to him really. If your responding to this thread and or him in sort of RP in game persona of King Arthur or Robin Hood, well then I am sorry and proceed on with your theatre.
Traidor Disloyal NightCrew	Posted - 2008.06.18 19:07:00 - [32] Originally by: Jawas As you wish but one of my accounts is a lowsec pirate. If he has the balls to fight, go roaming around Ami, Daran and that area for a couple of nights. Let's see how long he lasts against players who would rather fight against equal opponents rather than noobs. Like I said, we can all shoot noobs but what's the point if you know you're going to win EVERY time? It leads to a very boring game - for both sides. But, what if the purpose of can flipping is to have the other side hire mercs like REPO and such? Me, I never could get into can flipping, to much work. I enjoy killing mission runners who don't understand how aggression works. When faction stuff drops off of Mission Runners it can buy a whole lot of nice stuff. And sometimes the little darlings get ****ed off enough to war dec and/or hire mercs. That's always fun. I highly recommend REPO, they do a good job. --------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot
Element 22	Posted - 2008.06.18 19:52:00 - [33] If I remember right he can flipped me once before, he wasn't trying to take the ore to sell because he simply moved it into a can right next to it and left it, so I flew back my mining fit brutix (I didn't want to risk losing it ) hopped in my fighting frigate and challenged him. I even flew back to the can and flipped his can to aggress myself against him, about 1-2 minutes after I challenged him in local he flew off. So make of this what you will. I think he is a baby griefer, not enough stones to be a full on griefer, but is obviously just doing this to **** people off. Signatures are annoying...kinda like me.
BurningJr	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:10:00 - [34] Can Flippers are just like lvl70's in WoW going around ganking lvl 20's just to prove their epeen is bigger then yours.
Tharukan Desm'ar	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:21:00 - [35] If you want to do something within the mechanics of eve that isn't not allowed by CCP go ahead. Its your choice even if I might not agree with your play style. The biggest thing to remember is to have fun. Just try not to be a sore winner/loser about things. Plus when someone jet can mines they should fully accept the risk they venture of it being stolen in listed belts.
Vanessa Vasquez planet eyeQ	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:21:00 - [36] Can flipping is absolutely lame. Yes, you do take the risk, but a very low one if you do your homework. The question is, what kind you are going to rip off. More experienced pilots are likely to be in a corp, or fly a hulk and therefore don't have to jetcan even if they mine alone. The guys you "pirate" are poor newbs, and therefore, i find it pretty lame.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:29:00 - [37] Originally by: Vanessa Vasquez Can flipping is absolutely lame. Yes, you do take the risk, but a very low one if you do your homework. The question is, what kind you are going to rip off. More experienced pilots are likely to be in a corp, or fly a hulk and therefore don't have to jetcan even if they mine alone. The guys you "pirate" are poor newbs, and therefore, i find it pretty lame. Can flipping and killing noobs is like playing Halo on easy mode, there's no challenge but its a hella fun way to kill a day! Seriously though, for all those complaining about the "immoral" pirates that haunt low-sec: Wealth that cannot be taken from you is just points in a single player game! I'm not a pirate nor do I have a pirate alt, but this game is a sandbox and if someone is not commiting an exploit and you just died, HINT: they aren't the one that's "doing it wrong." -- Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:50:00 - [38] i like to reverse-pirate myself. like inviting n00bs into a fleet so they can use my leadership skills and the like. personally, i do the alt-hauler thing if i decide to mine for the heck of it. then when an ore thief mwds toward the can, usually while the hauler is unloading at the station, i pick the 1 ore i keep in the can up and make the can poof just as he gets to it. its kind of like space bullfighting. lost my cool a couple times in local in the past, learned it doesn't make a difference. much in the same way you can't yell at an idiot and make them realize they're stupid. You're doing it wrong.
Draeca Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.18 20:55:00 - [39] There is no pirates in hisec. ___
Darth Kasbian Random Pirate's Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:05:00 - [40] Thanks for your views on this guys im sure there is still more to come but i do have fun playing eve even when i lose a ship making isk is not part of my game i make just from loot and stealing that dose me fine.
Jack Jombardo	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:14:00 - [41] Priacy would be fine IF you could activly act against them as a Bounty- or Headhunter wich bose are close to imposible with the systems as they are now. And this "if he fails becouse blablabla he deserve to be blablabla" - that's crap from idiots! And even if he deserves anythink - who are you deside if or if not he deserves anythink?? The risk for highsec pirates is FAR to low atm! And you pirates like to talk about risk v. rewards - where is YOUR risk?? Nowhere! Sec-Status-hit? LOL! one day lowsec ratting and all your sec is recovered (as you don't even get a hit from pure can-flipping wich is 100% wrong!).
Jack Jombardo	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Haradgrim I'm not a pirate nor do I have a pirate alt, but this game is a sandbox and if someone is not commiting an exploit and you just died, HINT: they aren't the one that's "doing it wrong." You say someone who USES an exploid instead of reporting it isn't doing somethink wrong? Well, for me he is an EXPLOID-USER wich is by fact forbidden and ... just wrong!
Jojo Redana	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:38:00 - [43] Their stats are so great, they must be the ultimate pvpers. They can win all! I hope i don't run to these guys... -- I'm lost in space
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:50:00 - [44] I'm a high sec pirate, scumbag, kiddie griefer, sackless jerk, nub PVPer because I'm not in 0.0 and many, many other things. At least according to my customers, I can just feel the love. In other words; who gives a fek, do what you want to do as long as it's within the EULA and just laugh at people who try to vent their frustration and inability to deal with what you do.
Darth Kasbian Random Pirate's Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.19 09:59:00 - [45] Originally by: Jojo Redana Their stats are so great, they must be the ultimate pvpers. They can win all! I hope i don't run to these guys... Is that a complement Jojo Redana
Darth Kasbian Random Pirate's Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:41:00 - [46] Any more ?
Empty Vee Cute Toasters Appreciation Society	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:43:00 - [47] Originally by: Darth Kasbian on hi sec piracy i take the risk of losing a ship every time i steal ore or loot its the risk i take but i will shoot back Whats your views on hi sec piracy ? When you suicide your ship to Concord, you do not take a risk. You lose your ship every time and hope to make isk out of killing the other ship. If you attack a miner/hauler after flipping his can ... do you consider this a risk? In short, you do not take any risk, yet there is a chance of reward.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:46:00 - [48] To me it's very simple, in high sec you can only pirate someone if he's clueless or unwilling to put in effort. He didn't put in effort to secure his assets, he didn't put in effort to learn about the game rules, he didn't put in effort to mine with friends and he didn't put in effort to THINK before he does something stupid. It's called Darwinism. Jetcan mining is the lazy, low effort way of doing things. It's also faster so you maine faster at the cost of more risk, I'm the risk. If miners don't like the possibility of risk they should not can mine, but use secure cans, non-afk haulers and/or mine with corpmates. Everyone else in EVE has to put in effort to secure their assets to prevent from being blown up, why should high sec dwellers be exempted from that.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:47:00 - [49] Originally by: Tzar'rim In other words; who gives a fek, do what you want to do as long as it's within the EULA and just laugh at people who try to vent their frustration and inability to deal with what you do. mom must be proud. You're doing it wrong.
Simciv Allencal	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:48:00 - [50] Edited by: Simciv Allencal on 19/06/2008 10:49:14 Well said Tzar'rim
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:48:00 - [51] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 19/06/2008 10:50:18 Originally by: Empty Vee Originally by: Darth Kasbian on hi sec piracy i take the risk of losing a ship every time i steal ore or loot its the risk i take but i will shoot back Whats your views on hi sec piracy ? When you suicide your ship to Concord, you do not take a risk. You lose your ship every time and hope to make isk out of killing the other ship. If you attack a miner/hauler after flipping his can ... do you consider this a risk? In short, you do not take any risk, yet there is a chance of reward. It's about effort, thinking ahead, having a plan, preparing for the scenario, putting in the effort to learn about the game and it's rules. Putting in effort to actually play the game.... against people who cba to think about what they're doing or learn about a few basic things, while they DID play long enough to have a Hulk or haul something expensive. Effort wins, and so it should. Every time you die it is your own fault, simply because you didn't take the neccesary precaution to prevent it from happening. @Empyre; how is that different from being in 0.0 in a camp with a bubble up hoping for people to jump into your trap? Same thing, you put in effort to get a fleet together and have a plan, and the other guy was too lazy to have a scout.
Tippia School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Tzar'rim Jetcan mining is the lazy, low effort way of doing things. It's also faster so you maine faster at the cost of more risk, I'm the risk. Ding! You get a gold star.
TrulyKosh Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:55:00 - [53] Originally by: Tzar'rim Originally by: Empty Vee Originally by: Darth Kasbian on hi sec piracy i take the risk of losing a ship every time i steal ore or loot its the risk i take but i will shoot back Whats your views on hi sec piracy ? When you suicide your ship to Concord, you do not take a risk. You lose your ship every time and hope to make isk out of killing the other ship. If you attack a miner/hauler after flipping his can ... do you consider this a risk? In short, you do not take any risk, yet there is a chance of reward. It's about effort, thinking ahead, having a plan, preparing for the scenaria, putting in the effort to learn about the game and it's rules. Putting in effort to actually play the game.... against people who cba to think about what they're doing or learn about a few basic things, while they DID play long enough to have a Hulk or haul something expensive. Effort wins, and so it should. Every time you die it is your own fault, simply because you didn't take the neccesary precaution to prevent it from happening. Comparing the "effort" to fly a suicide Caracal vs. a Hulk, are you? :) As for other "effort" ... It would take 68 huge secure cans to hold what a (well trained) Hulk can mine in one hour. So spending 1 hour anchoring for 1 hour mining is an adequate measure of preparedness against can flippers? Balance anyone?
Karma Eve University	Posted - 2008.06.19 10:57:00 - [54] I'm okey with high-security piracy... however, I do think that if Concord kills you, it should void your insurance. otherwise, all is well in heaven and EVE.
Saffron Allencal	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:01:00 - [55] Fair point
TrulyKosh Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Karma I'm okey with high-security piracy... however, I do think that if Concord kills you, it should void your insurance. otherwise, all is well in heaven and EVE. Voiding insurance would help, but not cure the problem. Every concord sanctioned kill should prolong the stasis period before you can recycle a character by, say, 1 week. Suicide kills with out-of the box characters does not carry any penalty. It's against game mechanics, but just as macro mining, it's a crime that's not a top priority on ccp's to-do list, it seems.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:04:00 - [57] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 19/06/2008 11:06:19 Originally by: TrulyKosh Comparing the "effort" to fly a suicide Caracal vs. a Hulk, are you? :) As for other "effort" ... It would take 68 huge secure cans to hold what a (well trained) Hulk can mine in one hour. So spending 1 hour anchoring for 1 hour mining is an adequate measure of preparedness against can flippers? Balance anyone? I'm sorry, you didn't see that caracal come into your belt and moving closer towards you? Why, that must mean you're either AFK or at least not paying attention, so that means you haven't put in any effort to make sure you're safe. If you know that there's suiciders around did you join the defense chat, or made one. Did you ask your corp mates or did you set the corp/alliance red that is known to suicide miners? I'm guessing the answer to all that is "no", thus you didn't put in effort therefore it's your own fault. For the second part; since when is EVE a single player game and why would players who stubbornly play solo have the same benefits and safeties as people who ARE in a corp, and who ARE doing mining OP's and who DO have security around?
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Karma I'm okey with high-security piracy... however, I do think that if Concord kills you, it should void your insurance. otherwise, all is well in heaven and EVE. Agreed
TrulyKosh Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:14:00 - [59] Edited by: TrulyKosh on 19/06/2008 11:15:37 Originally by: Tzar'rim Edited by: Tzar''rim on 19/06/2008 11:06:19 Originally by: TrulyKosh Comparing the "effort" to fly a suicide Caracal vs. a Hulk, are you? :) As for other "effort" ... It would take 68 huge secure cans to hold what a (well trained) Hulk can mine in one hour. So spending 1 hour anchoring for 1 hour mining is an adequate measure of preparedness against can flippers? Balance anyone? I'm sorry, you didn't see that caracal come into your belt and moving closer towards you? Why, that must mean you're either AFK or at least not paying attention, so that means you haven't put in any effort to make sure you're safe. If you know that there's suiciders around did you join the defense chat, or made one. Did you ask your corp mates or did you set the corp/alliance red that is known to suicide miners? I'm guessing the answer to all that is "no", thus you didn't put in effort therefore it's your own fault. For the second part; since when is EVE a single player game and why would players who stubbornly play solo have the same benefits and safeties as people who ARE in a corp, and who ARE doing mining OP's and who DO have security around? So, your requirements for proper preparedness in high sec include: 1) dock whenever a non-corp ship enters the belt. 2) never mine solo 3) have an up-to-date list of all "criminal offenders" in EVE 4) bring a defence force forgot 5) spend an hour anchoring secure cans and let's not forget an hour unnanchoring them ...and all that to prepare for the ultimate solo-player, the ganking caracal?
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.19 11:15:00 - [60] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 19/06/2008 11:15:41 well, if you want to be secure then yes, if you think it's too much effort then don't whine when it happens. Btw, what you just listed is what everyone has to do in low sec and 0.0, again why should people in high sec be exempted from what EVE actually is; darwinism and anarchy, fed by greed?

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