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SKiNNiEH
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:09:00 -
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There's something that i've been wondering about today..
Arguably:
1 frigate would never win against 1 battleship
20 frigates would always win against 1 battleship
1 frigate would always lose against 20 battleships
But....
Would 20 frigates win against 20 battleships?
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Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:17:00 -
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No they get slaughtered, you cant make such a blob without the enemy noting it are only frigates...
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Vexed
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:17:00 -
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No, no, no and more no. While the swarm of frigs went after a single BS (the only way they would take one down) the rest of the BS fleet would pick them off at range with impunity.
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McTwist
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:20:00 -
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I dunno man, if you have a couple large smartbombs set on autorepeat... and with heavy drones out, a battleship can take out swarms of frigs. |
Shevar
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:23:00 -
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Ofcourse if a bs is fit to fight frigates it can take out groups of 5 to 10 frigates no prob, but most people dont fit that way...
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Bobbeh
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:25:00 -
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i reckon i can take out an unsuspecting bs with no smartbombs or drones or close range weapons.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Bobbeh
i reckon i can take out an unsuspecting bs with no smartbombs or drones or close range weapons.
If "unsuspecting" means AFK, I think so too.
If not, a single shield booster would prevent you from doing so.
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Vangelis
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Posted - 2004.05.13 17:38:00 -
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Edited by: Vangelis on 13/05/2004 17:42:59
20 frigs vs 20 battleships the battleships would always eventualy win but they would loose a couple battleships in the process.
We (CA) had 14 frigates good mix of rifters,kestrals, couple elites, my tristan, and acouple merlins and vigils and 4 cruisers 1 bb and 2 ruptures and 1 caracal the other night in E0-2...pretty diverse and we attacked a group of 4 or 5 battleships belonging to IGS (thast the ticker cant rememeber the corp) We lost about 4 frigates and destroyed 3 battleships serelas (scorpion) ascy (armagedon) and komonit (spelling might b abit wrong) (scorpion).
Frigates at 1 to 1 odds will not win but the loss of 20 frigs to kill even just 1 battleship is worth the price on any day.
This is why all PvP now is done with mixed fleets b/c friagates are essential to groups as well as the odd cruiser set up for frigate killing.
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Meridius
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Posted - 2004.05.14 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Meridius on 14/05/2004 02:30:20
If the frigs were all in kestrels and the battleships were loaded out with frig hunting gear, the frigs would probably get 1 or 2 bs's.
Depends on how far out they start from the bs's really, and a lot of other variables...
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Darkwolf
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Posted - 2004.05.14 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vangelis
This is why all PvP now is done with mixed fleets b/c friagates are essential to groups as well as the odd cruiser set up for frigate killing.
Please tell the devs (and all the whingers) this so they can stop trying to make frigates invulnerable juggernauts of death.
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illuminati
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Posted - 2004.05.14 06:30:00 -
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Am I the only one in game who always reserves 1-2 turrets for small guns and some mid and low slots for more sensor on my BS or what?
It's not like maxing your 1 on 1 performance saves you from a gatecamp anyway.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.05.14 11:51:00 -
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think you are i have those 1-2 smart bombs on to deal with anoying frigs both npc and pc
Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2004.05.14 11:51:00 -
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think you are i have those 1-2 smart bombs on to deal with anoying frigs both npc and pc
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Man'corr
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Posted - 2004.05.14 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Man'corr on 14/05/2004 13:39:22
just reading this post makes me wish for TomB missle change.........................
ok incursus frigs are gonna be in high demand then, but still, no more kestrels blasting you to bits with little skill involved.
well but i guess thats the whole sense of missles :D fire and forget...........
its nice to have new ppl be able to help in group pvp battles, but the current emotion seems to want to have frigs that are the kings, which they definitely are not supposed to be.
All of above post was formulated wth 100% honesty and 100% sarcasm. Now i only need to get drunk
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Unleashed
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Posted - 2004.05.14 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: SKiNNiEH
There's something that i've been wondering about today..
Arguably:
1 frigate would never win against 1 battleship
20 frigates would always win against 1 battleship
1 frigate would always lose against 20 battleships
But....
Would 20 frigates win against 20 battleships?
in terms of kills, the battleships should win(varies on configurations), but in terms of damage, frigates would/should win as taking out 1 bs easily outweighs a handful of frigates destroyed.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.05.14 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Loka on 14/05/2004 14:00:00
first of all guys, Smartbombs and Drones -> Drones die through your sb. So it doesnt work.
A Bs can handl 10+ Frigs and kill them if it has closecombat setup like a blasterthron, blasterpoc, 800mm on minmatar. Yes Frigates are in numbers supirior, but also BS are. The only clue is, frigate are expendable BS not. But if you want to defend your home or defend a station or caputer a station, you wont be able only with frigs. But if you want only to do dmg and cause BS loss or pirateing yes than 20 Frigs would be the right choice.
A fleet of 20 BS will prably loos against a fleet of 15 BS and 5 Ceptors. I saw it already.
And 20 Frigs against 20 Bs -> 20 * 6 heavy drones = dead frigates in seconds. Stay out of Dronerange -> the large guns will hit. But yes 20 Frigates are a threat ofc.
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PirateShampoo
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Posted - 2004.05.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: McTwist
I dunno man, if you have a couple large smartbombs set on autorepeat... and with heavy drones out, a battleship can take out swarms of frigs.
yeah. 4-5 of them but the other 10 will take the bs down. actually 3-4 frigs could take a bs down.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2004.05.14 15:02:00 -
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The other night, a large group of terrorist frigs attempted just this sort of thing. Somewhere in the realm of 15 People's front and Oracle (and other?) frigates attacked a fleet of loyalist vessels. They were gunned down with impunity. They all focused on one apoc and were nearly successful, but proper configuration of the apoc saved the pilot a potentially embarrassing loss.
Of course, there was an arbitrator, a bb, and 2 thoraxes mixed in with a few apocs, so that may have skewed the results a bit.
It was a great fight, and a ballsy move, but ultimately futile. Perhaps if it had been 20 interceptors, the story would have been different...
Garreck
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2004.05.14 21:07:00 -
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20 breachers that stay out of drone range could possibly do it. But the battleships could just run away.
20x3x360 = 21,600 dmg per volley. Good times :)
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.05.15 02:52:00 -
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Edited by: Sochin on 15/05/2004 03:25:42
If 20 frigates attacked 20 battleships, and managed to destroy 1 of them while taking 100% losses, the frigates still won the battle.
Unless of course all the frigs were Interceptors or something equally expensive, or prehaps if alot of the frig pilots got podded.
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Levin Cavil
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Posted - 2004.05.15 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: illuminati
Am I the only one in game who always reserves 1-2 turrets for small guns and some mid and low slots for more sensor on my BS or what?
It's not like maxing your 1 on 1 performance saves you from a gatecamp anyway.
Yes, you are. Not all PvP is gatecamping.
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ActiveX
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Posted - 2004.05.15 11:33:00 -
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Before the launcher patch the frigs would win in the isk battle, but after...not a chance.
Imo a good cruiser fleet could take on a good frigate fleet and a good BS fleet and do reasonably well in both.
But as said before, a mix of the three would win most every time.
I personally can't wait to see what the elite version Rupture is like 
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