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Artemis Rose
Eleckrostatik
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: Valandril It's prolly coz u don't know how to fit passive armor tank. 5x 1600 steel II 1x t2 eanm 1x dmg control.
Hahahahahahaha. This "superior" armor fit has some of the worst plates on it. Unless you are in 0.0 and somebody happens to be building these like no tomorrow, use Rolled Tungsten.
I'd go for the structure tanking Domi. At the very least, its a decent "WTF" boat, and ensuring giggles when somebody eventually gets your killmail. It not like you are forced to play cookie cutter Eve setups. Imagine the confusion of another player watching you fall into structure, only to have structure take SO much longer. 
But a trimarked passive armor tank would probably have more effective HP. __________________________________________________
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Valandril
Exiled. Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.19 20:14:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 19/06/2008 20:17:05 Edited by: Valandril on 19/06/2008 20:15:04
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Valandril It's prolly coz u don't know how to fit passive armor tank. 5x 1600 steel II 1x t2 eanm 1x dmg control.
Hahahahahahaha. This "superior" armor fit has some of the worst plates on it. Unless you are in 0.0 and somebody happens to be building these like no tomorrow, use Rolled Tungsten.
1. Easier to get 2. Don't interfere my setup 3. Worst ? I thought that title belongs to plain t1. ---
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OtonasiAkari
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Posted - 2008.06.20 04:53:00 -
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  No, i'm bloody carebear running lvl4 in motsu. Never done any pvp, not mentioning lowsec solo. Anyway you shown one combo that ur setup "theoreticaly owns" tho ishy can just use sentry drones and pretty much end your smartbombing heaven, and even while eccmed falcon will get pretty decent chance to jam you.
not "theoreticaly owns" man. I said I've been flying it and do prooved it by my own action. I don't paste surggestioning **** b4 I go test it.
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Kay Rissa
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:59:00 -
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Originally by: OtonasiAkari Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 05:05:16 Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 04:45:58 Dominix High: 3x 25km heavy neuts 3x 300dmg large EMP smart bomb. Med: 1x 100MN MWD II 1x 24km point 1x fleeting web(-90%) 1x cap injectII(800s) 1x ECCM magnetic(96%) Low 1x Dmg Control II 5x Reinforced Structure Buffer II(25% structure bonus) 1x Reactor Control Unite II Rig 3x energy emmision system cap bonus ones. (reduce 15% neut cap use)
Hp: approaximately. 6k shield+6k armor (normal resist) and 26.5k structure(with all resist at 60%)
Avoid nano , avoid drones. avoid(maybe)ecm dry ur target cap and let him wait for the time to see what is heaven like.
Tried it. Worked pretty awesome. Enjoy 8) 
Tbh, it is strange why you are arguing about all those setups. I decided to load EFT and with 6 bulkheads and 1 DCU t2 I get 105k HP, which is quite good, but have a look at this passive armor tank setup:
3 x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II ECCM - Magnetometric II
2 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I 3 Large EMP Smartbomb II [empty high slot] - drone range or something
3 x Trimark Armor Pump I
And its got 158k HP, wich is slightly better (unfortunately there is 1 problem with this setup, you need 5% pg implant, but if you swap t2 mwd and t2 injector for named ones, then you need only 3% pg implant)
If you realy want 3 Heavy neutralizers, you can drop 1 EANM and fit RCU t2. Without this eanm you will get 132k HP. With 1 injector you can run your neutralisers almost 4ever.
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OtonasiAkari
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:01:00 -
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Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 07:03:34 Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 07:01:36
Originally by: Kay Rissa
Originally by: OtonasiAkari Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 05:05:16 Edited by: OtonasiAkari on 20/06/2008 04:45:58 Dominix High: 3x 25km heavy neuts 3x 300dmg large EMP smart bomb. Med: 1x 100MN MWD II 1x 24km point 1x fleeting web(-90%) 1x cap injectII(800s) 1x ECCM magnetic(96%) Low 1x Dmg Control II 5x Reinforced Structure Buffer II(25% structure bonus) 1x Reactor Control Unite II Rig 3x energy emmision system cap bonus ones. (reduce 15% neut cap use)
Hp: approaximately. 6k shield+6k armor (normal resist) and 26.5k structure(with all resist at 60%)
Avoid nano , avoid drones. avoid(maybe)ecm dry ur target cap and let him wait for the time to see what is heaven like.
Tried it. Worked pretty awesome. Enjoy 8) 
Tbh, it is strange why you are arguing about all those setups. I decided to load EFT and with 6 bulkheads and 1 DCU t2 I get 105k HP, which is quite good, but have a look at this passive armor tank setup:
3 x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Armor Explosive Hardener II Damage Control II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II ECCM - Magnetometric II
2 x Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I 3 Large EMP Smartbomb II [empty high slot] - drone range or something
3 x Trimark Armor Pump I
And its got 158k HP, wich is slightly better (unfortunately there is 1 problem with this setup, you need 5% pg implant, but if you swap t2 mwd and t2 injector for named ones, then you need only 3% pg implant)
If you realy want 3 Heavy neutralizers, you can drop 1 EANM and fit RCU t2. Without this eanm you will get 132k HP. With 1 injector you can run your neutralisers almost 4ever.
Your setup looks awesome kay. I would say 1. my setup is way cheaper than yours. just in rigs. 2. In order to dry nano ship cap in a single cycle. you do need a thrid neut. 3. my setup makes you neut properly boosting your neut advantage and not worring about out neuting yourtarget. neut longer neut better. that's my point. 4. you get some luck if they think "hey this guys in struct. kill it!!" even if they in half armor and maybe lower tho still interested to fight you. ( I mean if they have a small gang. the others won't just run seeing one of their friend is screwed. means you have more chance to get another killmail. or got screwed yourself.) 5. one locked on you. see your armor is gone and already in structure. he might wanna try to engage you even if he's solo.
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El Torrent
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:32:00 -
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Kay is right on every point.
See, even if you use armor plates and resists, and no rigs, you will still have more EHP then the Hull tanking thingy. That being said, I would use only 2 plates, and 3 hardener, 1x ean, 1x dc II, for more resists in remote repair scenarios.
And you don't nerf your speed as much! --
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Tiberius Ilex
Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Majuan Shuo
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: Kage Toshimado
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: P'uck
Originally by: Valandril I'm not your man, buddy
and i'm not your buddy, mate 
and I'm not your mate, pal
I'm not you pal... fwiend!
I'm not your fwiend, bro
I'm not you bro, guy
Im not your guy, dude.
I'm not your dude, chum.
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ceyriot
Entropians on Vacation
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tiberius Ilex
Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Majuan Shuo
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: Kage Toshimado
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: P'uck
Originally by: Valandril I'm not your man, buddy
and i'm not your buddy, mate 
and I'm not your mate, pal
I'm not you pal... fwiend!
I'm not your fwiend, bro
I'm not you bro, guy
Im not your guy, dude.
I'm not your dude, chum.
I'm not your chum, amigo.
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Finfamfoom
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Posted - 2008.06.20 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: ceyriot
Originally by: Tiberius Ilex
Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Majuan Shuo
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: Kage Toshimado
Originally by: Ignatious Mei
Originally by: P'uck
Originally by: Valandril I'm not your man, buddy
and i'm not your buddy, mate 
and I'm not your mate, pal
I'm not you pal... fwiend!
I'm not your fwiend, bro
I'm not you bro, guy
Im not your guy, dude.
I'm not your dude, chum.
I'm not your chum, amigo.
I'm not your amigo, comrade.
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Kage Toshimado
Kage Clan
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Posted - 2008.06.20 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Finfamfoom
Originally by: ceyriot
Originally by: Tiberius Ilex Pyramid quote removed. Navigator
I'm not your chum, amigo.
I'm not your amigo, comrade.
He's not your comrade, chief.
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Gaylord Demian
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Posted - 2008.06.20 15:12:00 -
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Please.
GDIAF.
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Iridescent Moon
Iridescent Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.20 22:16:00 -
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Hull only has one advantage, suprise. It ony works once. You already listed how and why it works so no need to rehash it.
Dominix High: 4x 25km heavy neuts 2x 120dmg Med smart bomb
Med: 1x 100MN MWD (best named or T1) 1x 24km point 1x fleeting web(-90%) 1x Best named (800s) 1x ECCM magnetic(96%)
Low 1x Dmg Control II x1 EANM II x1 Active Hardner's (Exp, Therm, Kin) x2 1600mm RT plates
Rig 3x Trimark
I believe this all fits with a +1% PG hardwiring. (Squire PG2 I think.)
x3 large smartbombs would make for the suprise distruction of your opponents drones. Switching to mediums means it takes longer to kill the drones but, you free up a lot of PG. Ether way works. If they leave the drones they go pop. If they recall the drones their drones are no longer doing damage. Both ways remove them front the fight.
Drop to best named or T1 MWD. Your in a slow pokie BS. The additional speed the MWD II gives you really doesn't amount to much and you save PG by stepping down. Same for the cap booster. I believe your looking at .5 seconds difrence between the best named and T2 Boosters with the best named taking less PG again.
If you keep a stash of ECM drones your all set. Neuts will take out the ability of most ships to function. If you don't trap a Nano they will run. If they try and engage they lose thier drones to the SB and then they take off. Only an overheated T2 to faction disruptor can keep you pinned. With your tank they can't overheat long and Faction disruptors are not all that common. (intreceptors and some recons can keep you scramed but they are soft targets for your drones for damage or ECM) If your scrammed and need to bug out, ECM drones on the tackler and wave bye-bye.
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Chomapuraku
Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.20 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Chomapuraku on 20/06/2008 22:22:38 i think the OP is gonna slip up and forget to switch accounts when posting the next rebuttal
edit: i'm not your chief, boss
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OtonasiAkari
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Posted - 2008.06.21 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Iridescent Moon Hull only has one advantage, suprise. It ony works once. You already listed how and why it works so no need to rehash it.
Dominix High: 4x 25km heavy neuts 2x 120dmg Med smart bomb
Med: 1x 100MN MWD (best named or T1) 1x 24km point 1x fleeting web(-90%) 1x Best named (800s) 1x ECCM magnetic(96%)
Low 1x Dmg Control II x1 EANM II x1 Active Hardner's (Exp, Therm, Kin) x2 1600mm RT plates
Rig 3x Trimark
I believe this all fits with a +1% PG hardwiring. (Squire PG2 I think.)
x3 large smartbombs would make for the suprise distruction of your opponents drones. Switching to mediums means it takes longer to kill the drones but, you free up a lot of PG. Ether way works. If they leave the drones they go pop. If they recall the drones their drones are no longer doing damage. Both ways remove them front the fight.
Drop to best named or T1 MWD. Your in a slow pokie BS. The additional speed the MWD II gives you really doesn't amount to much and you save PG by stepping down. Same for the cap booster. I believe your looking at .5 seconds difrence between the best named and T2 Boosters with the best named taking less PG again.
If you keep a stash of ECM drones your all set. Neuts will take out the ability of most ships to function. If you don't trap a Nano they will run. If they try and engage they lose thier drones to the SB and then they take off. Only an overheated T2 to faction disruptor can keep you pinned. With your tank they can't overheat long and Faction disruptors are not all that common. (intreceptors and some recons can keep you scramed but they are soft targets for your drones for damage or ECM) If your scrammed and need to bug out, ECM drones on the tackler and wave bye-bye.
I'd say. No, Sir. your setup is definitely wrong. you might be better at survival but never ever kill something probably. 1. You gotta web something in order to kill it. And your not exactlly keeping 10km with your web on. So. 2 medium smart bomb may avoid oppente's drone , but never forget your in a drone ship yourself. Don't tell me you decided to screw it with your odd dual medium smart bombing. Sir, that gonna take you ages. But look. And drone ships usually got some drone hp bonus. bunch of heavy drones will still kill you b4 you pop em with your 2 medium smarties... Don't forget your buffer tanked. Unable to rep till the battle come to an end .The long time you take to clear drones dps. the less chance for you to survive. Think what can 3 Large EMP smart bomb can do comparing with 2 medium. You know what's the difference . don't you? 2. 4th heavy neaut is likey suicied fitting. a. your burning your own cap crazily. Thus you might unable to run neuts once you decided to cap inject. And no cap = no smart bombing . You're reciving drone dmg again. b. 3 neuts is enough to kill nano cap in a single cycle.(even over killing) don't put a 4th on it. it's wast of cap. and do split em cycle after the first neuting that one neut is on it's cycle per 8 sec.(if you don't have a Talisman set. I got like 4 sec cycle time tho.) 3. a. Like I said again. We all know Trimarks are sweet. But don't we also know that 1 trimark is way as expensive as 3 of thos neut rigs? b. I know T1 best named do as good as T2s do especialy on this setup. like the mwd and cap inject you have mentioned. But so far as I know they're dragging more cash from your wallet . don't they? Anyway. thanks for the comment.
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OtonasiAkari
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Posted - 2008.06.21 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chomapuraku Edited by: Chomapuraku on 20/06/2008 22:22:38 i think the OP is gonna slip up and forget to switch accounts when posting the next rebuttal
edit: i'm not your chief, boss
Huh? you think I will? yeah. maybe.  
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chomapuraku
edit: i'm not your chief, boss
Though i am the boss so stop playing on the internet and make me a brew.
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