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Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 263	Posted - 2012.03.12 21:27:00 - [1] - Quote Or are all these new threads just alts on alt accounts of alt accounts? After the insurance fraud fix, Tempests lost favor and Thrashers and Ruptures became the norm. Now, Tornados seem to be a great middle-option but i still see most ganks done by thrasher/rupture gangs, not 'nados. What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? Or have the carebears just gotten tired of complaining about cloaks?
THE L0CK Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 42	Posted - 2012.03.12 21:30:00 - [2] - Quote This topic could certainly use a few more threads to discuss it. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 263	Posted - 2012.03.12 21:32:00 - [3] - Quote THE L0CK wrote: This topic could certainly use a few more threads to discuss it. I wholeheartedly agree
Petrus Blackshell Rifterlings 668	Posted - 2012.03.12 21:50:00 - [4] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Personally, i would love to see haulers get an HP buff -AND- add a grace-period before concord shows up to allow player assistance first. "Solved" by an extra few Thrashers on the gank. And nah, this is just another wave of complainers. Next week it will be titan tracking again. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members!
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 431	Posted - 2012.03.12 21:59:00 - [5] - Quote suicide ganking is only a problem when im being ganked I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Fredfredbug4 Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control 75	Posted - 2012.03.12 22:14:00 - [6] - Quote If suicide ganking was hurting even the most alert players it would be a problem. But most people getting suicide ganked has less to do with actually being unfairly killed, but more to do with a lack of situational awareness? For example, why the hell would anyone undock a hauler carrying billions of ISK worth of stuff without even checking to make sure the area outside is safe? And then these people complain when they are greated by 20 Tornadoes.
Wektis Sunji Sunji Corp Unfamiliar Presence 0	Posted - 2012.03.12 22:16:00 - [7] - Quote So I've only been playing eve for around 2 months now, from a newbs perspective: Wormhole space is safer than highsec space. To be honest I'm not sure how to process that any further. Does this mean that the suicide ganking "mechanics" need to be changed or that wormhole space needs to be more difficult? Wek.
Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 263	Posted - 2012.03.12 22:28:00 - [8] - Quote Fredfredbug4 wrote: If suicide ganking was hurting even the most alert players it would be a problem. But most people getting suicide ganked has less to do with actually being unfairly killed, but more to do with a lack of situational awareness? For example, why the hell would anyone undock a hauler carrying billions of ISK worth of stuff without even checking to make sure the area outside is safe? And then these people complain when they are greated by 20 Tornadoes. Because they're WOW players and believe they should be safe as they travel through highsec, like they could when they travel through WOW. Its not "just WOW". The vast majority of games will babysit you the whole way through and never let another player hurt you. Guildwars is another good example. The only games i can think of that was eve-like/pvp, would be some oldschool MUDs and NWN.. I remember TFC MUD you could summon OTHER players directly to your location and then kill them. I remember playing Neverwinter Nights as a Sorc/Bard/Shadowdancer, i'd sneak into the middle of town, suddenly appear before a bunch of newbies and cast Wail of Banshee, killing them all instantly. Higher level players would gather and run me out of town, and hunt me for hours. It was incredible fun. Eve is where i came after those two games, specifically for its PvP content. I really dont understand why people play a multiplayer game and then just run NPC missions all day in highsec. If you want PvE, play Fallout or Baldurs Gate or somethnig
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 433	Posted - 2012.03.12 23:12:00 - [9] - Quote I have only been ganked once and it was completely my own fault. it cost me 4 billion isk and it will never happen again due to my own laxness. I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Sisohiv Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 27	Posted - 2012.03.12 23:27:00 - [10] - Quote Blaster buff reduced the cost of insta popping all the tinfoil tanks in high sec. Mackinaw, Hulk, Any T1 industrial or barge are now pretty much open season.

gfldex 369	Posted - 2012.03.12 23:35:00 - [11] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? Or have the carebears just gotten tired of complaining about cloaks? I don't think it's a problem but I am quite sure it happens more often then it used to. The arti-boost combined with the Tornado allows to pop stuff solo that was pretty much safe before. It was possible but you had to wait for your buddies to show up to gank stuff. Now you and your scanning alt will do. The insurance nerf didn't really do much as nowadays there are piles of targets where there used only a handful in the whole of empire a few years ago. Incursions, Sanctums and sleepers are filling wallets with a rate only T2 BPO owner could enjoy back then. Again, that's not problem. We used to explode T2 BPO owners, why not pop Incursioniers now? The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson
Aggressive Nutmeg 124	Posted - 2012.03.12 23:59:00 - [12] - Quote gfldex wrote: I don't think it's a problem but I am quite sure it happens more often then[sic] it used to. From my observations it's not happening more than it used to. But it's certainly being discussed on the forum more frequently. Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Taedrin Kushan Industrial 384	Posted - 2012.03.13 00:30:00 - [13] - Quote THE L0CK wrote: This topic could certainly use a few more threads to discuss it. IATL To the OP, I don't think suicide ganking became an more prevalent - we just get waves of complaints about all sorts of topics every now and then. As others have mentioned, next week it may very well be titan tracking, the following week it could be afk cloaking, etc etc...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 171	Posted - 2012.03.13 01:38:00 - [14] - Quote I'd like to state in no uncertain terms that this spike of complaints re: suicide ganking has nothing whatsoever to do with the GHSC's recent suicide gank campaign, or the buttloads of carebear 10gu we've blapped.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 280	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:14:00 - [15] - Quote Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: I'd like to state in no uncertain terms that this spike of complaints re: suicide ganking has nothing whatsoever to do with the GHSC's recent suicide gank campaign, or the buttloads of carebear 10gu we've blapped. Those PvE-gu fits are all "eerily" similar, and a lot of 1-man shell corps. Botters? In irae, veritas.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 5633	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:20:00 - [16] - Quote No. People are just increasingly fooling themselves that highsec is a safe place, and get upset when their illusions are shattered. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants.
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 427	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:23:00 - [17] - Quote Tippia wrote: No. People are just increasingly fooling themselves that highsec is a safe place, and get upset when their illusions are shattered. This ^ Highsec is getting safer and safer every year. People are starting to forget that nowhere should be safe. Safe highsec is bad for the game. It really is. Gê¦Gê¦-áEvery Ship in GëíGêçGëí-áGê¦Gê¦ GëíGêçGëí-+ odd items
Tobiaz Spacerats 21	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:23:00 - [18] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: I'd like to state in no uncertain terms that this spike of complaints re: suicide ganking has nothing whatsoever to do with the GHSC's recent suicide gank campaign, or the buttloads of carebear 10gu we've blapped. Those PvE-gu fits are all "eerily" similar, and a lot of 1-man shell corps. Botters? 'gu' what's that? [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif[/img] This needs fixin'
Karl Hobb Imperial Margarine 5	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:30:00 - [19] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Those PvE-gu fits are all "eerily" similar, and a lot of 1-man shell corps. Botters? No outraeg in local, no convos, and the fact that three other guys got hit and they all keep going about their merry business would seem to indicate so. Plus, three of the KMs I've seen from the same day were pretty much the exact same failfit from two different corps. Tobiaz wrote: 'gu' what's that? Tengu 10gu PVE-gu I'm ******* terrible at EVE. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia
Zircon Dasher Zirconia Trade Group 82	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:41:00 - [20] - Quote More ganks? Meh probably not. More people making troll threads because they are bored? I could see that.

Father Void Hard Rock Mining Co. Apocalyptic Legion. 15	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:42:00 - [21] - Quote It's all fair in love and war but I do get a little annoyed that I have zero counter for a suicide gank that doesn't target me. Here's your billion isk Fenrir so you can move things around. No you don't get to add mods. No there is no counter. "Staying undocked" is not a counter. The penalty for suicide ganking is far to lite. I think they need to rethink how negative and positive standing affect things.
bornaa GRiD. 110	Posted - 2012.03.16 21:49:00 - [22] - Quote Problem is in t3 BCs and T2 exumers. one ship can kill every hulk. That's bad. sorry, but, price difference is too big so that it can be normal. p.s. if you try to tell me that i am miner dont. i dont have one sp in anything then minny combat skills.
masternerdguy Navy of Xoc 1	Posted - 2012.03.16 22:11:00 - [23] - Quote Some people won't be satisfied until they can make isk by pressing a button once every 20 minutes in total safety and can fly a bold new line of mining supercaps in hi sec. Sad, but true.
Belleville Crabbers Inc 0	Posted - 2012.03.17 00:04:00 - [24] - Quote As a victim I have to say it's a problem. Not to a victim though. We need more ganking like this. This still makes me smile. Kill mail I wonder where my shuttle is now. I hope it made its new owner happy.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 944	Posted - 2012.03.17 00:12:00 - [25] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? The only problem is that most forum geeks feel their opinion is so important it needs a new thread. So... someone starts a thread and 20 dickwads start the same one. Same old, same old. Tomorrow it will be something else slathered all over page one. Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Terminal Insanity Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression 281	Posted - 2012.03.17 00:19:00 - [26] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: The only problem is that most forum geeks feel their opinion is so important it needs a new thread. So... someone starts a thread and 20 dickwads start the same one. Hurhurhur
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 234	Posted - 2012.03.17 00:49:00 - [27] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Some people won't be satisfied until they can make isk by pressing a button once every 20 minutes in total safety and can fly a bold new line of mining supercaps in hi sec. Sad, but true. Then raiden. can continue using supercaps. Mining ones. And be ~elite mining~. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 234	Posted - 2012.03.17 00:59:00 - [28] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: The only problem is that most forum geeks feel their opinion is so important it needs a new thread. So... someone starts a thread and 20 dickwads start the same one. Same old, same old. Tomorrow it will be something else slathered all over page one. Tell me more about titans. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 944	Posted - 2012.03.17 01:22:00 - [29] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: The only problem is that most forum geeks feel their opinion is so important it needs a new thread. So... someone starts a thread and 20 dickwads start the same one. Same old, same old. Tomorrow it will be something else slathered all over page one. Tell me more about titans. I forgot to mention the brainiac little bees that can't manage to say anything without multiposting. That tends to inflate threads way beyond their importance as well. Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too!
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1929	Posted - 2012.03.17 03:13:00 - [30] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Alavaria Fera wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: The only problem is that most forum geeks feel their opinion is so important it needs a new thread. So... someone starts a thread and 20 dickwads start the same one. Same old, same old. Tomorrow it will be something else slathered all over page one. Tell me more about titans. I forgot to mention the brainiac little bees that can't manage to say anything without multiposting. That tends to inflate threads way beyond their importance as well. Mr Epeen Mr Epeen wants to be The Mittani so bad it's funny. Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Quick Response Posting Team Friend of Miners The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Acac Sunflyier Burning Star L.L.C. 97	Posted - 2012.03.17 04:18:00 - [31] - Quote We all knew this was going to happen when they released the tornado. How is this issue still on the front page of the forums?
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 492	Posted - 2012.03.17 04:21:00 - [32] - Quote Sisohiv wrote: Blaster buff reduced the cost of insta popping all the tinfoil tanks in high sec. Mackinaw, Hulk, Any T1 industrial or barge are now pretty much open season. Pretty much why I dislike even seeing a barge or exhumer undock. Since it dies so easily and risk free to the guy shooting at it (hulk fits tank, shooter brings an extra destroyer shrug can't do much more then that), of course its going to be targeted since humans always go for the easiest objective. At least make an expensive ship more resistant to a single ganker in a T1 hull particularly since all that ship can do is suck up rocks (as if it was a "real" challenge to shoot it...like drinking beer and calling it an olypmic sport)...if not at least prevent the hulk from dropping mods and no T2 salvage then all you get is a shiny KM while the hulk turns into a true isk sink . Poor miners want to drive a pointless ship, at least they could suck up the isk being shot into them.
Fly byNighter Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2012.03.17 06:13:00 - [33] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Or are all these new threads just alts on alt accounts of alt accounts? After the insurance fraud fix, Tempests lost favor and Thrashers and Ruptures became the norm. Now, Tornados seem to be a great middle-option but i still see most ganks done by thrasher/rupture gangs, not 'nados. What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? Or have the carebears just gotten tired of complaining about cloaks? GTH Im an alt so to i don't attract grifer, or someone that just wants to troll. I see people that go after defenseless mining barges afraid of getting involved into real PVP. If I want to fight I would get my PVP toon and look for someone that wants to fight. it's alright though the less miners there are on the fields the more isk i make and the more the price of ore keeps going up. So in some way I salute the individuals that kill the Hulk in high sec. (if they had a better shield fit anyway, they would be able to survive until Concord gets there, it's the selfless miners that puts mine upgrade on that die.) Please continue as every little bit helps increase the prices and helps inflation, which always makes the price of base ores more!!!!
Gantz Tleilax Tleilax Foundation 50	Posted - 2012.03.17 06:17:00 - [34] - Quote Suicide ganking is only funny if it's being done by a clown. (I get suicide ganked in hisec every here and there, kind of makes things interesting.)
Kojach Baumherr State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2012.03.17 06:49:00 - [35] - Quote its a problem if youre stupid enough to fly your quafe ship into jita
Cipher Jones 357	Posted - 2012.03.17 07:09:00 - [36] - Quote Fly byNighter wrote: Terminal Insanity wrote: Or are all these new threads just alts on alt accounts of alt accounts? After the insurance fraud fix, Tempests lost favor and Thrashers and Ruptures became the norm. Now, Tornados seem to be a great middle-option but i still see most ganks done by thrasher/rupture gangs, not 'nados. What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? Or have the carebears just gotten tired of complaining about cloaks? GTH Im an alt so to i don't attract grifer, or someone that just wants to troll. I see people that go after defenseless mining barges afraid of getting involved into real PVP. If I want to fight I would get my PVP toon and look for someone that wants to fight. it's alright though the less miners there are on the fields the more isk i make and the more the price of ore keeps going up. So in some way I salute the individuals that kill the Hulk in high sec. (if they had a better shield fit anyway, they would be able to survive until Concord gets there, it's the selfless miners that puts mine upgrade on that die.) Please continue as every little bit helps increase the prices and helps inflation, which always makes the price of base ores more!!!! Defenseless ones are the most fun to kill, as they chose not to fit defenses. 04:25:37 Notify Cipher Jones, criminals are not welcome here. Leave now or be destroyed.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 234	Posted - 2012.03.17 07:22:00 - [37] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Mr Epeen wants to be The Mittani so bad it's funny. Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Quick Response Posting Team Friend of Miners Everyone wants to be The Mittani. Acac Sunflyier wrote: We all knew this was going to happen when they released the tornado. How is this issue still on the front page of the forums? Oh, reminding me of Tornados... how's that 1400mm artillery alpha working out for you? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 70	Posted - 2012.03.17 08:11:00 - [38] - Quote I like to think that I am a method of natural selection. http://www.fcka.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12739987 The truth of it is that I'm actually just a ****.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 234	Posted - 2012.03.17 08:17:00 - [39] - Quote FluffyDice wrote: I like to think that I am a method of natural selection. http://www.fcka.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12739987 The truth of it is that I'm actually just a ****. Ooh, no tank at all. I wonder if that ice miner learned or maybe just bought another mack, fitted it in the same way and went back out to the ice fields. Did it's pod warp into the belt again, by the way? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY
FluffyDice StarFckers Inc. The Jagged Alliance 71	Posted - 2012.03.17 08:55:00 - [40] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: FluffyDice wrote: I like to think that I am a method of natural selection. http://www.fcka.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12739987 The truth of it is that I'm actually just a ****. Ooh, no tank at all. I wonder if that ice miner learned or maybe just bought another mack, fitted it in the same way and went back out to the ice fields. Did it's pod warp into the belt again, by the way? It did not. I podded him.

Pheusia Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 26	Posted - 2012.03.17 09:37:00 - [41] - Quote Terminal Insanity wrote: Or are all these new threads just alts on alt accounts of alt accounts? After the insurance fraud fix, Tempests lost favor and Thrashers and Ruptures became the norm. Now, Tornados seem to be a great middle-option but i still see most ganks done by thrasher/rupture gangs, not 'nados. What are these people's evidence that suicide ganking is now a new problem? Or have the carebears just gotten tired of complaining about cloaks? People with more ISK than sense and who completely misunderstand what "hi sec" means have been bawwing about suicide ganking at least since 2006, which was when I started playing. Probably longer. The suicide ganking threads seem to come in waves, with about a 10-12 week cycle time. You'll notice that each time it's a relatively few people making most of the noise.
Pheusia Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 26	Posted - 2012.03.17 09:39:00 - [42] - Quote Father Void wrote: It's all fair in love and war but I do get a little annoyed that I have zero counter for a suicide gank that doesn't target me. Here's your billion isk Fenrir so you can move things around. No you don't get to add mods. No there is no counter. "Staying undocked" is not a counter. The penalty for suicide ganking is far to lite. I think they need to rethink how negative and positive standing affect things. Support my proposal for bounty hunting reform with transferable kill-rights: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=32462
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 283	Posted - 2012.03.17 10:41:00 - [43] - Quote Tippia wrote: No. People are just increasingly fooling themselves that highsec is a safe place, and get upset when their illusions are shattered. CCP's made hisec safer just for them--and left sui-ganking as the only realistic "direct-combat" option in a lot of cases. Well. Be careful what you wish for, little cry-bears, because you might just get it. In irae, veritas.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 283	Posted - 2012.03.17 11:07:00 - [44] - Quote Fly byNighter wrote: [multi-quote snip] GTH Im an alt so to i don't attract grifer, or someone that just wants to troll. I see people that go after defenseless mining barges afraid of getting involved into real PVP. If I want to fight I would get my PVP toon and look for someone that wants to fight. it's alright though the less miners there are on the fields the more isk i make and the more the price of ore keeps going up. So in some way I salute the individuals that kill the Hulk in high sec. (if they had a better shield fit anyway, they would be able to survive until Concord gets there, it's the selfless miners that puts mine upgrade on that die.) Please continue as every little bit helps increase the prices and helps inflation, which always makes the price of base ores more!!!! 1/10. In irae, veritas.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club 180	Posted - 2012.03.17 23:30:00 - [45] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote: I'd like to state in no uncertain terms that this spike of complaints re: suicide ganking has nothing whatsoever to do with the GHSC's recent suicide gank campaign, or the buttloads of carebear 10gu we've blapped. Those PvE-gu fits are all "eerily" similar, and a lot of 1-man shell corps. Botters? Yes, it turned out. Many of the 10gus we've killed belonged to the same person, A Puppetmaster, also known as Krall Amarr back in the day. He even threatened us for interrupting his income flow, and sent some mercenaries after us. He even provided us with a self-incriminating log! An awesome thread about an awesome corporation Once again, it is nothing but a complete coincidence that a mass-banning of his characters occurred shortly after this thread was posted. We disavow any involvement.


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