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LeJen
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:00:00 -
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First of all the deserves all the applause and raves from fans. Awesome, jar-dropping, stunning. . . these are just a few things that describe it. The trailer also leaves you with a giddy feeling inside that'll make you want to jump into the war right now. I wish it was weekly released mini-series so I can have something to look forward to next week. Great job developing it, but unfortunately, Eve doesn't quite capture the essence of the trailer that makes us like it such much. A fact which I think should be the other way around.
Let me explain, there are two things I think are a flaw in EVE warfare:
1) Ship movement, contrary to what is seen in the trailer, is far from dynamic. It is restricting and uninteresting. Currently, movement in Eve is the equivalent to any standard fantasy RPG point and click. A tolerable yet disappointing characteristic of Eve.
2) Large scale combat (LSC), from my experiences, isn't nearly as intense or fast-paced. Mostly because of the lag generated from +300 ships from each fleet all trying to perform actions at the same time. In my opinion, this undermines the Empyrean Age's core feature. (Epic Warfare) I will always assist my corp/faction in any way I can whenever I can, but I never look forward to large fleet combat.
Perhaps I'm being nanve in some way. Both points I mentioned are almost given for a game of this kind. Total freedom of movement, as fun as it may be, would probably change the gameplay of EVE for the worse, and like any MMO lag rates spike whenever a massive number of players gather in the same locale. I hope CCP adequately addresses this particular issue soon. Even a small reduction in lag and an equally small boost in server performance for LSC is welcomed.
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LeJen
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:00:00 -
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First of all the deserves all the applause and raves from fans. Awesome, jar-dropping, stunning. . . these are just a few things that describe it. The trailer also leaves you with a giddy feeling inside that'll make you want to jump into the war right now. I wish it was weekly released mini-series so I can have something to look forward to next week. Great job developing it, but unfortunately, Eve doesn't quite capture the essence of the trailer that makes us like it such much. A fact which I think should be the other way around.
Let me explain, there are two things I think are a flaw in EVE warfare:
1) Ship movement, contrary to what is seen in the trailer, is far from dynamic. It is restricting and uninteresting. Currently, movement in Eve is the equivalent to any standard fantasy RPG point and click. A tolerable yet disappointing characteristic of Eve.
2) Large scale combat (LSC), from my experiences, isn't nearly as intense or fast-paced. Mostly because of the lag generated from +300 ships from each fleet all trying to perform actions at the same time. In my opinion, this undermines the Empyrean Age's core feature. (Epic Warfare) I will always assist my corp/faction in any way I can whenever I can, but I never look forward to large fleet combat.
Perhaps I'm being nanve in some way. Both points I mentioned are almost given for a game of this kind. Total freedom of movement, as fun as it may be, would probably change the gameplay of EVE for the worse, and like any MMO lag rates spike whenever a massive number of players gather in the same locale. I hope CCP adequately addresses this particular issue soon. Even a small reduction in lag and an equally small boost in server performance for LSC is welcomed.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:07:00 -
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Look again you'll see battleships sitting still in the trailer with frigates being the only ships that are flying around all ZOOM ZOOM.
which basically means only the small ship aren't being shown right in the trailer and well... maybe those smaller ships SHOULD get manual control I don't know.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:13:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon which basically means only the small ship aren't being shown right in the trailer and well... maybe those smaller ships SHOULD get manual control I don't know.
I would kill to get to fly a rifter with my HOTAS rig. It'll never happen though. ___________________________________________
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Bruce Deorum
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:44:00 -
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That would actually be a very very good idea...
And i dont think is something extremely undoable. The mechanisms and routines are there, only some minor inteface changes.
(whereas stuff like station/pod walking and interacting with other players, or even combat in the planet atmosphere is totally different)
So yes id love to use a joystick and a HOTAS on EVE.
/signed (billion times)
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:48:00 -
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EVE... EVE... isn't that that space-like game that this forum has some connection to?
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Bruce Deorum
Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 06:53:00 -
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Isnt that the forum where we can discuss EVE general Stuff, like commententary on the new trailer ? (and thus extend the discussion to what might or what we'd like to see implemented? )
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CCP Whisper
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Deorum And i dont think is something extremely undoable. The mechanisms and routines are there, only some minor inteface changes.
It is not quite as easy as you think. Many of us at CCP have played other sci-fi themed games where you had first-person views and joystick control and know that this is a nice control mechanism. However implementing it in EVE is a lot more complicated than making some minor interface changes and tweaking our graphics and physics engines. It would mean rewriting large chunks of the core functionality of the game, and that is very, very unlikely to happen. Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
Fact is that the mechanisms and routines for joystick control are not there, and cobbling a quick and dirty workaround like simulating mouseclicks based on joystick input would be really clunky and inelegant. So yeah, it is not a bad idea but right now it's unfortunately one that is unlikely to make it into the game.
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Xennith
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper cobbling a quick and dirty workaround like simulating mouseclicks based on joystick input would be really clunky and inelegant. So yeah, it is not a bad idea but right now it's unfortunately one that is unlikely to make it into the game.
urgh *shudders*
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Sral TBear
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Bruce Deorum And i dont think is something extremely undoable. The mechanisms and routines are there, only some minor inteface changes.
It is not quite as easy as you think. Many of us at CCP have played other sci-fi themed games where you had first-person views and joystick control and know that this is a nice control mechanism. However implementing it in EVE is a lot more complicated than making some minor interface changes and tweaking our graphics and physics engines. It would mean rewriting large chunks of the core functionality of the game, and that is very, very unlikely to happen. Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
Fact is that the mechanisms and routines for joystick control are not there, and cobbling a quick and dirty workaround like simulating mouseclicks based on joystick input would be really clunky and inelegant. So yeah, it is not a bad idea but right now it's unfortunately one that is unlikely to make it into the game.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! freespace II, that is the best G`darn bloody space sim ever made....realistic feeling in space....well you got it lmao...i can remember first time trying to manouver lol...i whent all over the place.....why cant ccp make freespace III
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Ralara
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sral TBear
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Bruce Deorum And i dont think is something extremely undoable. The mechanisms and routines are there, only some minor inteface changes.
It is not quite as easy as you think. Many of us at CCP have played other sci-fi themed games where you had first-person views and joystick control and know that this is a nice control mechanism. However implementing it in EVE is a lot more complicated than making some minor interface changes and tweaking our graphics and physics engines. It would mean rewriting large chunks of the core functionality of the game, and that is very, very unlikely to happen. Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
Fact is that the mechanisms and routines for joystick control are not there, and cobbling a quick and dirty workaround like simulating mouseclicks based on joystick input would be really clunky and inelegant. So yeah, it is not a bad idea but right now it's unfortunately one that is unlikely to make it into the game.
THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! freespace II, that is the best G`darn bloody space sim ever made....realistic feeling in space....well you got it lmao...i can remember first time trying to manouver lol...i whent all over the place.....why cant ccp make freespace III
Yes and if you ever made custom missions or campaigns, you'd notice they couldnt fit mroe than 10 capital ships on the mission at any one time else the game would quit to desktop :D --
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Arachnid Vampire
HeXstoof
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:46:00 -
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They should try their best to make everything that happened in that trailer a reality in the game. That trailer just makes me feel a little dirty when I watch it. It's bloody awesome! ...and woohoo for partial nudity!
I think they should make more of those high-def action packed trailers! Hell even make a minor movie or series! These guys are BRILLIANT. That part where the gigantic fleet is just sitting there shooting TONS and TONS of rockets at the station(?) was just too breath-taking.
I am sure they are always constantly looking for opportunities to expand the game to be more realistic and fun. --- The Amarrian Spider Vamp. Rawr! |
Siigari Kitawa
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:49:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
HIRE PEOPLE THAT PLAY THE FRIGGIN GAME, NOT GREEN CODERS.
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MetalDev
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:49:00 -
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Well, id say...the whole point of the trailer is to attract people.
at the end of the day, CCP still has a profit to make.
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Louis deGuerre
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arachnid Vampire That trailer just makes me feel a little dirty when I watch it. It's bloody awesome! ...and woohoo for partial nudity!
Eeeewww....you necrophile -------------------------------------------------- If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles - Sun Tzu |
F'nog
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sral TBear why cant ccp make freespace III
Haven't you heard? Derek Smart is making Freespace III.
The horror. The HORROR!
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
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anomalousresult
Middleton and Mercer LLP The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.20 08:02:00 -
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This post reminds me of the hoo ha over the making of the Iron Man trailer into a movie - source
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.20 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: CCP Whisper Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
HIRE PEOPLE THAT PLAY THE FRIGGIN GAME, NOT GREEN CODERS.
what? he just said they all play the game and that 1 out of three people ask for it. as in they have been playing for years and want it in.
I'm sorry maybe I'm missing your point? how did you get "CCP don't hire people that play the game" out of "and then they go back to playing"
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Whisper Then the person who asked gets emo
--- Its dead, Jim.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: CCP Whisper Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
HIRE PEOPLE THAT PLAY THE FRIGGIN GAME, NOT GREEN CODERS.
Siigari, no offense intended, but you are an idiot of the highest caliber.
Actually...yeah, offense intended. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
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Baron Agamemnon
Holy Grail Constructiion
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Posted - 2008.06.20 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 20/06/2008 19:24:05
Originally by: LeJen
1) Ship movement, contrary to what is seen in the trailer, is far from dynamic. It is restricting and uninteresting. Currently, movement in Eve is the equivalent to any standard fantasy RPG point and click. A tolerable yet disappointing characteristic of Eve.
In my personal (engineering inspired) way, the reason for this is the games fundamental flaws in physics. The ships have a max velocity, and NOT max acceleration. The velocity should continue to accumulate as long as you fire thrusters, only by shutting down the thrusters could you get a constant velocity. There is no friction in space :). This fact of course would make the game a whole different game if impelemented, but a lot more interesting and dynamic. But it would fundamentallt change them game, and it would not be the same EVE as we know.
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Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2008.06.21 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Baron Agamemnon
In my personal (engineering inspired) way, the reason for this is the games fundamental flaws in physics. The ships have a max velocity, and NOT max acceleration. The velocity should continue to accumulate as long as you fire thrusters, only by shutting down the thrusters could you get a constant velocity. There is no friction in space :). This fact of course would make the game a whole different game if impelemented, but a lot more interesting and dynamic. But it would fundamentally change them game, and it would not be the same EVE as we know.
Uh... what determines maximum velocity then? Last time I checked, you can only achieve a maximum velocity equal to the speed of the particles leaving your ship. Otherwise our 1960s era rockets would have been able to accelerate to relativistic speeds. And yes, there is friction in space actually. |
Robert Rosenberg
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.21 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf
Originally by: Baron Agamemnon
In my personal (engineering inspired) way, the reason for this is the games fundamental flaws in physics. The ships have a max velocity, and NOT max acceleration. The velocity should continue to accumulate as long as you fire thrusters, only by shutting down the thrusters could you get a constant velocity. There is no friction in space :). This fact of course would make the game a whole different game if impelemented, but a lot more interesting and dynamic. But it would fundamentally change them game, and it would not be the same EVE as we know.
Uh... what determines maximum velocity then? Last time I checked, you can only achieve a maximum velocity equal to the speed of the particles leaving your ship. Otherwise our 1960s era rockets would have been able to accelerate to relativistic speeds. And yes, there is friction in space actually.
QFT
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Shakuul
Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.21 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf Last time I checked, you can only achieve a maximum velocity equal to the speed of the particles leaving your ship.
QFT
Uh...this is false. If particles are leaving your ship (burning fuel), they exert a force on your ship. If a force is exerted on your ship, it will accelerate. This is assuming of course you're going slow enough where relativity isn't significant (ie all non-warp/non-jump travel in EVE).
Newton's second law
Quote: LAW II: The alteration of motion is ever proportional to the motive force impressed; and is made in the direction of the right line in which that force is impressed. ù If a force generates a motion, a double force will generate double the motion, a triple force triple the motion, whether that force be impressed altogether and at once, or gradually and successively.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.06.21 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 21/06/2008 04:51:52
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Originally by: Bruce Deorum And i dont think is something extremely undoable. The mechanisms and routines are there, only some minor inteface changes.
It is not quite as easy as you think. Many of us at CCP have played other sci-fi themed games where you had first-person views and joystick control and know that this is a nice control mechanism. However implementing it in EVE is a lot more complicated than making some minor interface changes and tweaking our graphics and physics engines. It would mean rewriting large chunks of the core functionality of the game, and that is very, very unlikely to happen. Believe me, one out of three new employees asks about it (including me) and is presented with the long, technical answer about why implementing it runs an unacceptably high risk of breaking the core functionality of the game for all players. Then the person who asked gets emo, and then they get over it and continue to enjoy playing the game as it is.
Fact is that the mechanisms and routines for joystick control are not there, and cobbling a quick and dirty workaround like simulating mouseclicks based on joystick input would be really clunky and inelegant. So yeah, it is not a bad idea but right now it's unfortunately one that is unlikely to make it into the game.
I might be alone in saying this but I want to say it anyway!
GOOD!
Because:
I.DO.NOT.WANT.TO.SEE.JOYSTICK.CONTROL.IN.EVE
It would make me leave EVE on the spot. Then CCP would become another SOE for me, pushing out a NGE!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Joe
Umbra Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.21 05:18:00 -
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If i want a Realistic simulator I'll play IL2 If i want to pretend I'm Picard, I'll play Eve.
The only reason CCP would ever develope a Joystick Interface is to sell a CCP branded joystick.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.21 05:31:00 -
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in starterk they can set the direction they want to move.
why not use a joystick for this?
Have a 3D compass in which the joystick moves the marker around the 3D compass. Then when you have your heading set in you press "engage" and move.
thus joystick control that doesn't change eve at all.
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Alski
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.21 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon in starterk they can set the direction they want to move.
why not use a joystick for this?
Because even in star trek controling a mile long spaceship with a joystick is lame
Though upgradeing the tactical overlay to include a 3D compass would be quite cool. -
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.06.21 05:49:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 21/06/2008 05:50:38
Originally by: Alski
Originally by: MotherMoon in starterk they can set the direction they want to move.
why not use a joystick for this?
Because even in star trek controling a mile long spaceship with a joystick is lame
Though upgradeing the tactical overlay to include a 3D compass would be quite cool.
sure I mean hell the joystick would be optional anyways you could always just click in the 3D compass or drag the movement beacon around.
also what if instead of joystick eve came with a custom controller? a huge big thing that you have to lay both your hands inside on the panels? oooo :P an lots of other random unneeded things.
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Ogul
ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Rosenberg
Originally by: Malcolm Gerwulf
Uh... what determines maximum velocity then? Last time I checked, you can only achieve a maximum velocity equal to the speed of the particles leaving your ship. Otherwise our 1960s era rockets would have been able to accelerate to relativistic speeds. And yes, there is friction in space actually.
QFT
Quoted For Ignorance. --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes. |
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