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Lela Ren	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:06:00 - [1] As many of you are well aware, cameradrone footage taken during the battle of Mekhios has finally been salvaged and released for public consumption. I was one of several Thukker capsuleers present at the disaster. We thought that we were taken by surprise by an Avatar...although none of us saw the flare of a cynosural jump, and none of us had sensory record of any vessel larger than a Naglfar within 500 kilometers. We all figured that the Amarr had somehow triggered their superweapon remotely. This footage shows us something entirely different. It takes a lot to shake a Thukker, they say. What I see before me, on this holoreel, frightens me to my very core. How could a single group of battleships inflict such destruction upon a capital fleet? What was that weapon unleashed by the Abaddon? If the Amarr have access to such devastating technology... Your thoughts, please. I can't be the only one troubled by this.
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:11:00 - [2] I'm more troubled by your employment history. You're saying the Republic Military School had a stake in the battle above Mekhios? Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Lela Ren	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:24:00 - [3] Thank you, miss, for your startling and utterly irrelevant observation. I hold loyalties with no corporation. Only my tribe. I was, once, an employee of the Republic Military School - when I received my pod pilot certification. I care not whether CONCORD decides to publicly keep record of that association, even after all this time. But I don't see why I have to explain that here. Now that I'm finished, can we return to the topic at hand?
Kyoko Sakoda Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:26:00 - [4] You're right, it's not actually on topic, but it's suggestive of some deeper themes at work here. Ah, well. Pardon me for ruining your discussion. Ghost Festival is recruiting.
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.06.20 07:46:00 - [5] Whatever that... thing was, I think it has some role in explaining what Jamyl Sarum has been up to all this time.
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:16:00 - [6] I see no possible way the Abaddon, by itself, could cause so much devastation so quickly. My bets are on it being some kind of remotely-detonated defensive superweapon fired from within solarsystem boundries. ...
Lela Ren	Posted - 2008.06.20 08:30:00 - [7] Originally by: Rawr Cristina I see no possible way the Abaddon, by itself, could cause so much devastation so quickly. My bets are on it being some kind of remotely-detonated defensive superweapon fired from within solarsystem boundries. This seems the most likely, doesn't it? But why warp in a group of battleships immediately before detonation? Seems like a poor tactical decision. And why did the weapon selectively target Matari vessels? Also, notice the tight formation of the Amarr battleships. I've never seen any fleet, no matter the size, attempt such a maneuver. Especially during warp.
Ghost hunter Naqam	Posted - 2008.06.20 09:31:00 - [8] Edited by: Ghost hunter on 20/06/2008 09:36:33 It would appear the Abaddon's special weapon caused a chain reaction in the Minmatar ship reactor cores. Most likely the reactor cores and power grids overloaded themselves and exploded, obliterating the ship. The weapon's "jumping" effect appears to be short ranged and ignore smaller vessels. Perhaps it is tuned to specifically attack the Capital types? It's quite intriguing really. A couple theoretical designs on that principle were proposed a few years ago but nothing was ever developed to my knowledge. I am quite interested in what the Empire's response will be. ______ The Seven Events of the Apocalypse The fourth event is described by Macaper as ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö;
daqor	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Lela Ren Originally by: Rawr Cristina I see no possible way the Abaddon, by itself, could cause so much devastation so quickly. My bets are on it being some kind of remotely-detonated defensive superweapon fired from within solarsystem boundries. This seems the most likely, doesn't it? But why warp in a group of battleships immediately before detonation? Seems like a poor tactical decision. And why did the weapon selectively target Matari vessels? Also, notice the tight formation of the Amarr battleships. I've never seen any fleet, no matter the size, attempt such a maneuver. Especially during warp. It would seem that the Amarr are smarter than you give them credit for. Because, since we can link targetting and many other things, it seems possible that a group of battleships, in tight formation, could potentially link enough Power and CPU to fire a weapon of that type.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:42:00 - [10] This footage is a quite obvious forgery. Whatever happened above Mekhios, this wasn't it. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
daqor	Posted - 2008.06.20 10:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris This footage is a quite obvious forgery. Whatever happened above Mekhios, this wasn't it. Quite like how admiral Noir didn't spout anti-Caldari rhetoric BEFORE smashing his mothership into the headquarters of Ishukone, killing, of all the CEOs, Otro Gariushi, with his Long story of trying to HELP people out of their missery. Though of course, removing missery doesn't seem like a Gallente specialty.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:07:00 - [12] Wow - that's a complete non-sequitur argument there. Even in my most impressive moments I've never been able to manage one of those. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:28:00 - [13] If one looks closely, the new weapon was only fired at the titan. Not destroying it immediatly, but instead ingulfing it and spreading to other vessels. My guess is it is a weapon which uses relatively little energy itself, thus it can be equipped on a battleship class ship. For best effect it is fired on a titan class ship, and then somehow manages to use the titans power against itself and other ships nearby. Just an observation, which might as well be wrong. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:38:00 - [14] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/06/2008 11:38:07 This galaxy's full of little bits and pieces of highly classified research tech. There are secrets behind every door in New Eden. For all we know, this could be Jove tech, though that of course would beg the question of what it's doing in the hands of a supposedly deceased imperial heir. It could be the product of a secret Sarum weapons testing facility, it could be Caldari in origin, or Khanid, or Sansha's. It could be some exotic piece of rogue drone tech, or even a pre-EVE weapons system salvaged from some hidden stash of archeotechnology. The return of Lady Sarum is one big mystery all in itself. I see no reason to claim that the footage is faked - especially not when you can travel to Mekhios and see the devastation for yourself. Frankly, I'm just glad to be able to count the force that contains such a weapons system as an ally. I really wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that thing. Oh, and Kyoko - quit hazing the graduates. That was unnecessary. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Lela Ren	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:45:00 - [15] I think the physics behind the weapon are less important than the fact that such a weapon exists. If the footage has been faked, none of this matters, and the Republic should continue the war effort as planned. But if the footage is indeed authentic...I'm no tactician, but it seems to me that, in the eventuality that what we see here is real, the Republic admiralty should seriously reconsider gathering together large groups of capital ships. If the Fleet were to suffer a disaster akin to what the Elders suffered above Mekhios...
AltBier Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:53:00 - [16] I would think it very kind of the Central Intelligence Service to help us try to understand what happened here ... if they could be trusted.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:55:00 - [17] Originally by: Lela Ren I think the physics behind the weapon are less important than the fact that such a weapon exists. If the footage has been faked, none of this matters, and the Republic should continue the war effort as planned. But if the footage is indeed authentic...I'm no tactician, but it seems to me that, in the eventuality that what we see here is real, the Republic admiralty should seriously reconsider gathering together large groups of capital ships. If the Fleet were to suffer a disaster akin to what the Elders suffered above Mekhios... That is exatctly why the physics of the weapon do matter. Depending on how the weapon works, it may or may not be wise to use capital or super capital class ships in fleet battles in this war. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.06.20 11:59:00 - [18] Originally by: AltBier I would think it very kind of the Central Intelligence Service to help us try to understand what happened here ... if they could be trusted. Honestly, I fear I have to admit I have as little idea as anyone, trying to peace together evidence at the moment. There is some leads we are following, and as soon as we find out more, some of the information might be made public. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Stitcher on 20/06/2008 12:02:01 Originally by: Lela Ren I think the physics behind the weapon are less important than the fact that such a weapon exists. If the footage has been faked, none of this matters, and the Republic should continue the war effort as planned. But if the footage is indeed authentic...I'm no tactician, but it seems to me that, in the eventuality that what we see here is real, the Republic admiralty should seriously reconsider gathering together large groups of capital ships. If the Fleet were to suffer a disaster akin to what the Elders suffered above Mekhios... True, but Lady Sarum can't be everywhere, and I can only assume that the weapon is unique to her flagship (I wonder what it's called?). There's every possibility that it's a holy relic of some kind. "The light of God", that sort of thing. Oh, I'd like to congratulate Andreus on sliding even further into paranoia and depression. If you're going to claim that footage is "faked", my friend, do so with evidence. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Scourge Drakonis Legio Decimus Inc	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:17:00 - [20] Just imagine the strategic and tactical advantages the Amarr Empire would gain from being able to neutralize enemy capital ships, either through direct action or fear of loss. The Empire would be able to move a capital fleet into systems with impunity, while their opponents would have to second guess themselves when responding for fear of having many capital ships wiped out for no loss to the Amarr. Yes, if this weapon holds to be fact and not fiction then I fear the Republic and Federation could face a dire future...especially now that the most militaristic of families holds the Imperial Throne. "Only an idiot fights a war on two fronts. Only the Heir to the throne of the Kingdom of Idiots fights a war on 12 fronts!" -Londo Mallari, Centuari Ambassador
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.20 12:22:00 - [21] As I said before - I'm very glad that I'm on the same side as the faction with that weapon on hand. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Rowen Taien Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:49:00 - [22] Edited by: Rowen Taien on 20/06/2008 13:50:00 Interesting footage brought together from multiple locations I'm certian. After all it isn't every day that captial fleets engage on behalf of the Four core empires. What puzzles me though, aside from the weapon deployed by the Abbadon class Flagship, is the footage of the Minmatar fleet as it broke apart. Why are there frieghters in a combat formation? Perhaps the group of battleships caught the Minmatar fleet off guard while the supply ships were busy tending to the needs of the fleet? Also of note, the camera lasp from when they warp in, to when the weapon itself is "fired". The other Battleships had formed into a perfect line behind the Abaddon when it fired, indicating at least a small lasp in time from when they were shown to warp in. I feel that all things considered this footage, while impressive, has been tweeked and edited to show a particular aspect of the footage that was captured. Perhaps to be used in a SCOPE newscast, perhaps to be used for other, more devious purposes. Selective misinformation is a powerful tool, and giving an enemy a glimpse at a "weapon" that isn't fully understood or explained would do much to sow the seeds of confusion and worry within their ranks. My humble thoughts, take them as you will. Rowen Taien
Sami Yahn'ko The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Lela Ren As many of you are well aware, cameradrone footage taken during the battle of Mekhios has finally been salvaged and released for public consumption. Huh? What kinda "footage" is that? How do you explain that funny man doing the voiceover? Looks like some kinda holoreel preview to me, Miss.
AltBier Freelance Unincorporated	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:39:00 - [24] The behaviour of the weapon looks to me like the behaviour of a swarm, as if millions of micro drones had been released and jumped from ship to ship.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Rowen Taien What puzzles me though, aside from the weapon deployed by the Abbadon class Flagship, is the footage of the Minmatar fleet as it broke apart. Why are there frieghters in a combat formation? Perhaps the group of battleships caught the Minmatar fleet off guard while the supply ships were busy tending to the needs of the fleet? Rowen Taien Remember, the entire reason that fleet was even there was a massive slave liberation effort. Those freighters were there to receive ground-to-orbit shuttles full of slaves to be transported back to Matari space. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Veron Daerth	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:17:00 - [26] Hmm...upon close review of the footage in question, I would have to classify this weapon as a beam or pulse type weapon (a traditional Amarrian weapon effect) based upon the fact that it clearly charges itself up, then fires in a burst, much like a pulse laser, only much larger and more concentrated. That being said, the effect is like no other laser I have ever seen, but DOES much resemble the effect of the Jovian weapons system as described by the survivors of the Battle of Vak'Atioth. Moreover, if this weapons system was put into effect throughout the Imperial Fleet, the attack on the Empire would never have happened, as the first incursion would have been obliterated before ever reaching Sarum Prime or any of the other systems attacked. This argues for an experimental weapons system at best. Equally troubling is that it can apparently be deployed on a single battleship, and note that there is no evidence of any kind of active energy transfer grid or any kind of active transfer grid at all in the footage. This, in a worst case scenario, would mean that the weapon is deployable on a single ship, and activated by that same ship. Remote weapons activation or channeling is highly unlikely as you can plainly SEE the pulse charging up immediately under the Abbadon's bow. I would posit that the other 11 ships in that fleet (all Apocalypse hulls note) are to cover the deployment and activation of the weapon. The reason to assume a "line ahead" formation would possibly be to protect themselves from any kins of shockwave or energy wave effect from firing it. Since the firing vessel didnt destroy itself, the safest place to be would be behind it. This would also account for the mysterious withdrawal of the regular forces of the Imperial Fleet immediately before the firing of the weapon. Also note that the weapon seems to "Arc" or discharge from ship to ship (including the freighters and dreadnoughts) and does seem to miss the smaller ships. This can be an effect of the weapon needing a certain mass to attract the energy discharge, thus rendering the smaller ships immune to it, but, as shown, the smaller ships were quickly decimated and crushed by the weapons fire of the 12 battleships (you can see the purplish colored discharge of a pulse or beam laser cut across the camera a few times after the weapon has been fired) but since the beam I noted smashed a Hurricane class hull in a single hit, it had either sustained critical damage from previous combat or a possible "collateral blast" effect of the Weapon. Regardless, the odds of this being faked are low (this came from The Scopes own camera archives as did the previous footage in the holo, and you can usually count on The Scope to cry foul if there is even a sniff of something being out-of-sorts) and are terrifying. Anyone with this kind of power should be rightly feared, and I wonder if the distinct lack of objection on the part of the Theology Council and certain Royal Family's (notably Ardishapur) has anything to do with it. With this weapon installed on a few ships, small fleets of battleships could be sent into enemy systems through the warpgate network and simply blast anything that can stop them into pieces. The cynosural jammers maintained by the various Navies in their home systems would become obsolete in a day, if that. A single Abbadon battleship with sufficient escorts to hold off the smaller support craft could lock and destroy a Ragnarok and its attendant Naglfar escorts in the time it takes the capships to even lock the enemy or align to escape. If installed on most of the Imperial Fleet Abbadon's, the Matari could be destroyed as a cohesive combatant in a single campaign. And the person controlling that Weapon would be able to rule as she saw fit. History tells us that "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely." I fear the person with this kind of power, and so should you.
Stitcher Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.20 20:38:00 - [27] Of course, the big question is - what sort of cooldown time might that weapon have? an hour? a day? seconds? That final category turns Lady Sarum's flagship into a map-drawer. The former represent odds that, while formidable, aren't insurmountable. A skilled general willing to make the sacrifice could conceivably hold a force in reserve to strike after the weapon's discharge. There's always a way to defeat any superweapon. "Very difficult" is not the same thing as "impossible". - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Nikita Alterana	Posted - 2008.06.21 07:00:00 - [28] just curious, but if any friendly Amarrians are here, would you happen to know whatever became of Ametat and Avetat? __________________________________________________
Remus Navillum LEGION OF DEATHADDERS	Posted - 2008.06.21 07:38:00 - [29] Edited by: Remus Navillum on 21/06/2008 07:38:50 Edited by: Remus Navillum on 21/06/2008 07:38:04 Originally by: Veron Daerth Edited by: Veron Daerth on 20/06/2008 20:19:21That being said, the effect is like no other laser I have ever seen, but DOES much resemble the effect of the Jovian weapons system as described by the survivors of the Battle of Vak'Atioth. Deeply troubling. However, it is worth noting that if, by some chance, Jamyl Sarum had been able to acquire this technology through contact and negotiation through Jovians, I expect they would be thoroughly displeased if they discovered that she was using it to obliterate Matari capital fleets. The Jove already have a spotted history with the Amarr, and I doubt they would be keen to hand over such a destructive weapon if they knew it would fall straight into the hands of an empire that already tried to conquer them. It's possible that Sarum convinced the Jovians that she would use the technology to get revenge on the empire, perhaps feigning some grudge against her title as "deposed heir, presumed dead." The Jovians might have... less of a problem donating such potent warmaking technology if they suspected it might weaken the Amarr in some way. A third possibility is that Sarum simply built the horrid thing herself by reverse-engineering Jovian artifacts that she may have picked up in Curse or Atioth or wherever. It seems like something she's capable of. She is rumored to be something of a genius, after all. Whatever the explanation, if the weapon turns out to be Jovian in origin, I suspect that the diplomatic silence with the Jovians may be broken soon. Such insular characters wouldn't idly stand by while some of their apparently deadlier technology is used (and potentially proliferated) amongst the empire that they have every reason to dislike the most.
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