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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:24:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Siddy on 20/06/2008 21:26:02
 Originally by: KapnKaboom
Now, I realize this comes as a shock to all of you, but there are some really stupid people who play Eve.
this is where i stopped reading, EVE is not, or never were intendet to be a communism of IQ's
if you are stupid, and dontkno that you are stipie... I.E dont want to learn, you deserve anything/everything you get coming your way.
If you are stupid, but well awear of it, you might stand a chanse to find redemption.
Now, what does this handholding popup realy do serve? A step to a message like this " you cannot activate this module because the target is not at war or canflagged to you or your corporation"
THIS IS WHERE WE WILL BE eventualy if we start giving our rights for being stupid!
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Tekeran
The Hull Miners Union
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:30:00 -
[62]
Its CCP's game. If you dont like it, quit.
We are now recruiting! |
Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:33:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Siddy on 20/06/2008 21:33:28
Originally by: Tekeran
Its CCP's game. If you dont like it, quit.
Ill rather spend my free time fighting against windmill's, thank you, go frackyourself.
got anything else to add?
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Xaen
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.06.20 21:34:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tekeran
Its CCP's game. If you dont like it, quit.
That is one fantastic attitude for affecting positive change.
Do you quit everything you complain about?
Oh right, you're complaining about people posting on the internet, yet here you are.
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Nullity
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:01:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Nullity on 21/06/2008 01:01:21
Originally by: Wu Jiun
another step on the long journey to azeroth! way to go ccp.
This is really dramatic, but I can't help but agree with the sentiment. Even if you guys wanted to nerf suicide ganking, this is the laziest way to do it. There are other much better ways to do it that will leave both parties happy.
I'm not even a ganker, but I really think you should fix this soon CCP. I hate seeing valid in-game professions be slowly destroyed like this because a minority complained.
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RigelKentaurus
Flying Tartiflette
Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:18:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Nullity
because a minority complained.
Do you have access to GM logs and petitions to back up that assertion?
Remember: Forum != IG.
It may look like there are only a few players who manage to blow themselves, but only CCP know if that's really the case.
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Yarr2K
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.21 01:26:00 -
[67]
Haxxor Solution To The Horrible Horrible Change CCP Made To Suicide Ganking That Makes You Take An Additional .005344883 Tenths Of a Second To Aggro Your Target. Use at OWN RISK!!!!
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Jane Vladmir
Warmongers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 03:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Siddy
In what wisdome this message was desidet to be a perma hinderence to me?
You got any idea how hard it is to get a shuttle? Right now shuttles will allign before you can click on the "yes" button. Making them invurnable.
This is an outright Profession nerf and future advocation for "Communism of IQ's" system. Where Smart get the shaft while layzy/stupid benefit.
I dont want to give up my good game experience just so some billy with angermanagment prblems whuld not get gankked for being Stupid, layzy or both!
I'm with Siddy on this one, make a switch in options to turn it off or something, please.
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Bellum Eternus
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 06:51:00 -
[69]
FFS STOP DESIGNING THE GAME AROUND THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR CCP. ****ing ********. Really.
And there is no way to get rid of it. WTF is wrong with you people?
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.21 07:02:00 -
[70]
At bottom I think this was a pretty dumb thing to do, as I agree that popups that can't be disabled are a Bad Thing(tm); I also feel that if this was a deliberate nerf to suicide ganking it's the most smarmy of all possible ways to do it.
However, as far as "communism of IQs" and "lowest common denominators" and all that other business goes: do you think it's possible those comments could similarly be directed at people whose micro is so ****- poor they can't even figure out how to add the Enter key to the usual f1-f8? Or maybe people who suicide gank in Jita and complain about lag? Do you think possibly there are just a few too many dumb people having too easy a time with high sec piracy perhaps? 
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.21 07:16:00 -
[71]
Deliberately making the UI more obstructive is never a good idea.
God knows the UI needs <i>improving </i>- adding more annoying stuff in is just... it's not even stupid. It's surreal. It's like shoving an M80 up a dead dog's ass to punish it for barking in your dreams.
If CCP want to adjust the profitability of suicide ganking there are many far better ways of doing it. The simplest would be to give corp aggro for cargo scanning as for can flipping. Then escorts can pop the scanning ship = escorts actually have some meaning = gankers need a continual supply of scanning ships or are restricted to scanning AFK/unescorted ships.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Bellum Eternus
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 07:41:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:18:14
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:16:17
Deliberately making the UI more obstructive is never a good idea.
God knows the UI needs improving - adding more annoying stuff in is just... it's not even stupid. It's surreal. It's like shoving an M80 up a dead dog's ass to punish it for barking in your dreams.
If CCP want to adjust the profitability of suicide ganking there are many far better ways of doing it. The simplest would be to give corp aggro for cargo scanning as for can flipping. Then escorts can pop the scanning ship = escorts actually have some meaning = gankers need a continual supply of scanning ships or are restricted to scanning AFK/unescorted ships.
Edit: And if the real target of this are the dumb people who accidentally auto-concordokken themselves, well... my instinct is to say that such people deserve whatever they get, but how about making that window appear 3 times before you get the option to disable it?
Why not just design it so that the only way to disable it is from the ESC menu, and that's it? That way you have to deliberately disable it, and you can't just click it out of the way on accident and continue on.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:44:00 -
[73]
null Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:18:14
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:16:17
Deliberately making the UI more obstructive is never a good idea.
God knows the UI needs improving - adding more annoying stuff in is just... it's not even stupid. It's surreal. It's like shoving an M80 up a dead dog's ass to punish it for barking in your dreams.
If CCP want to adjust the profitability of suicide ganking there are many far better ways of doing it. The simplest would be to give corp aggro for cargo scanning as for can flipping. Then escorts can pop the scanning ship = escorts actually have some meaning = gankers need a continual supply of scanning ships or are restricted to scanning AFK/unescorted ships.
Edit: And if the real target of this are the dumb people who accidentally auto-concordokken themselves, well... my instinct is to say that such people deserve whatever they get, but how about making that window appear 3 times before you get the option to disable it?
Why not just design it so that the only way to disable it is from the ESC menu, and that's it? That way you have to deliberately disable it, and you can't just click it out of the way on accident and continue on.
/thread,
ofcorse i searched for said options in ESC menu, and didint find any. So, CCP, add it. Please.
And if persons, who get concord dokken, had actualy diabled the option themselfs from ESC menu goes whine to GM's. CCP got full right to tell him "go frack yourself"!
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:04:00 -
[74]
DT whine bump for higer justice, ZIG
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:07:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Siddy
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Siddy
Ok, heres the deal, i cleared chace, resetted every possible setting and now im standing on my head.
Still, i cant find a way to remove THIS every time i try to cuicide gankk someone from jita :/
its realy anying you know, where is the "dont show me tis again" ticker ?
Please see the following reply from CCP Explorer.
In what wisdome this message was desidet to be a perma hinderence to me?
You got any idea how hard it is to get a shuttle? Right now shuttles will allign before you can click on the "yes" button. Making them invurnable.
This is an outright Profession nerf and future advocation for "Communism of IQ's" system. Where Smart get the shaft while layzy/stupid benefit.
I dont want to give up my good game experience just so some billy with angermanagment prblems whuld not get gankked for being Stupid, layzy or both!
Spell check, USE IT.
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Willford Bremly
Domini Umbrus
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:03:00 -
[76]
Siddy has fantastic spelling abilities. You all should take note.
»\(¦_o)/»
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Gone'Postal
Scoopex
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:14:00 -
[77]
So CCP's idea to lessen the ammount of petitions is to reduce the "mistake" factor of careless people ?
Nice job...
Questions, Comments, Problems, Please address them to the CSM..
Now CCP Never have to visit the forum.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:20:00 -
[78]
Idiot-proof is the new black 
Boink! |
Avon
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:21:00 -
[79]
Unacceptable change.
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
WA Dragon
108 Field Squadron RM RE
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:26:00 -
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lets all have a group hug and pat the nice gankers on the head and say there there, at last some thing to hold the gankers back a bit. You can't allways have it all your own way guys some times the inocent ones need a little helping hand as well. If you hate it that much throw the game and can I have your stuff.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Angelonico on 21/06/2008 12:37:02
Originally by: Acedias
Originally by: Victor Valka
Why are you attacking an Iteron in a Reaper? 
why not? 
Thread over. You win good sir.
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:31:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Angelonico
Edited by: Angelonico on 21/06/2008 12:37:02
Originally by: Acedias
Originally by: Victor Valka
Why are you attacking an Iteron in a Reaper?
why not?
Thread over. You win good sir.
not over!
we must fight the handholding!
First came the warp to 0, then came th local chat with standings inttel tool, now this.
one can only ask: What nexst?
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JacquesCoutu
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Posted - 2008.06.21 20:52:00 -
[83]
If the only ship you can gank is a shuttle in high-sec......
Learn to play the game properly and how it was intended to be played (I highly doubt CCP believed suicide ganking would be in the game mechanics)
High 5 for proper professions in EVE!
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Cyndial
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:54:00 -
[84]
I have hauled my fair share of items from Jita a time or 10k and never had a ganking issue. The gankers are looking for a soft target with yummy insides to pop and clean out. Definately a profession in eve as there are "cargo scanners" in the game and a delay for concord in showing up.
I like the idea of making it as dangerous for the ganker as possable, but a UI lag window is pretty weak.
There are so many ways to avoid the gank just by being prepared/smart about it that this was an unneeded change and the eve player group will be dumber for it. If you get concord on your butt you deserved it... espically if your stupid and forget to learn the rules.
PS a noob got blowded up in a rookie ship on a hauler the other night... I laughed so hard I had to take a break and dock
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:57:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:18:14
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:16:17
Deliberately making the UI more obstructive is never a good idea.
God knows the UI needs improving - adding more annoying stuff in is just... it's not even stupid. It's surreal. It's like shoving an M80 up a dead dog's ass to punish it for barking in your dreams.
If CCP want to adjust the profitability of suicide ganking there are many far better ways of doing it. The simplest would be to give corp aggro for cargo scanning as for can flipping. Then escorts can pop the scanning ship = escorts actually have some meaning = gankers need a continual supply of scanning ships or are restricted to scanning AFK/unescorted ships.
Edit: And if the real target of this are the dumb people who accidentally auto-concordokken themselves, well... my instinct is to say that such people deserve whatever they get, but how about making that window appear 3 times before you get the option to disable it?
Why not just design it so that the only way to disable it is from the ESC menu, and that's it? That way you have to deliberately disable it, and you can't just click it out of the way on accident and continue on.
Excellent suggestion.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Pran Chole
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Posted - 2008.06.22 18:43:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Malcanis
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:18:14
Edited by: Malcanis on 21/06/2008 07:16:17
Deliberately making the UI more obstructive is never a good idea.
God knows the UI needs improving - adding more annoying stuff in is just... it's not even stupid. It's surreal. It's like shoving an M80 up a dead dog's ass to punish it for barking in your dreams.
If CCP want to adjust the profitability of suicide ganking there are many far better ways of doing it. The simplest would be to give corp aggro for cargo scanning as for can flipping. Then escorts can pop the scanning ship = escorts actually have some meaning = gankers need a continual supply of scanning ships or are restricted to scanning AFK/unescorted ships.
Edit: And if the real target of this are the dumb people who accidentally auto-concordokken themselves, well... my instinct is to say that such people deserve whatever they get, but how about making that window appear 3 times before you get the option to disable it?
Why not just design it so that the only way to disable it is from the ESC menu, and that's it? That way you have to deliberately disable it, and you can't just click it out of the way on accident and continue on.
Excellent suggestion.
/thread
There's no sane reason to opt for the current implementation over this idea.
Only the people who really, really want that dialog disabled will take the time to go hunting for it.
Why, when in most cases it's a simple matter of making an option or preference, does CCP refuse to please everybody when it comes to UI decisions?
I seriously wrack my brain almost every day trying to figure this out.
Is it lack of leadership?
Are they all living under rocks?
Are all the developers individually allowed to make game mechanic affecting UI decisions without oversight, supervision or testing?
Are you so resource strapped that you must half-ass everything?
A little explaination would go a long way toward explaining consistent, gross lack of consistency and negligence.
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.22 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 22/06/2008 19:20:37
Originally by: Pran Chole
Are they all living under rocks?
sometimes i wonder...
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Bellum Eternus
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 20:44:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Pran Chole
There's no sane reason to opt for the current implementation over this idea.
Only the people who really, really want that dialog disabled will take the time to go hunting for it.
Why, when in most cases it's a simple matter of making an option or preference, does CCP refuse to please everybody when it comes to UI decisions?
I seriously wrack my brain almost every day trying to figure this out.
Is it lack of leadership?
Are they all living under rocks?
Are all the developers individually allowed to make game mechanic affecting UI decisions without oversight, supervision or testing?
Are you so resource strapped that you must half-ass everything?
A little explaination would go a long way toward explaining consistent, gross lack of consistency and negligence.
I'll tell you exactly why they did it this way. CCP didn't do this on accident. They didn't do it because they didn't think it through. They did it to specifically f#ck up the game play for high sec pirates and make things easier on the idiot #ssholes who insist that everyone play the game with their safety in mind.
CCP has caved to the carebears time and time again. They'll continue to do so until we things like 100% safety in high sec and PVP only if it's mutually agreeable by both parties and combat only allowed in 'arena' systems.
This kind of stuff is just asinine.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y COLLECTION
Inveniam viam aut faciam. |
Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.22 21:26:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Pran Chole
There's no sane reason to opt for the current implementation over this idea.
Only the people who really, really want that dialog disabled will take the time to go hunting for it.
Why, when in most cases it's a simple matter of making an option or preference, does CCP refuse to please everybody when it comes to UI decisions?
I seriously wrack my brain almost every day trying to figure this out.
Is it lack of leadership?
Are they all living under rocks?
Are all the developers individually allowed to make game mechanic affecting UI decisions without oversight, supervision or testing?
Are you so resource strapped that you must half-ass everything?
A little explaination would go a long way toward explaining consistent, gross lack of consistency and negligence.
I'll tell you exactly why they did it this way. CCP didn't do this on accident. They didn't do it because they didn't think it through. They did it to specifically f#ck up the game play for high sec pirates and make things easier on the idiot #ssholes who insist that everyone play the game with their safety in mind.
CCP has caved to the carebears time and time again. They'll continue to do so until we things like 100% safety in high sec and PVP only if it's mutually agreeable by both parties and combat only allowed in 'arena' systems.
This kind of stuff is just asinine.
Only time you can have 100% safty is when you cant activate a guns on target.
When that happens, im pulling the plug on my subs. That is my honest, no bull****, promice.
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Call'Da Poleece
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Posted - 2008.06.22 23:16:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Call''Da Poleece on 22/06/2008 23:16:53
Originally by: Siddy
Only time you can have 100% safty is when you cant activate a guns on target.
When that happens, im pulling the plug on my subs. That is my honest, no bull****, promice.
wtf? pvp space game where you cant shoot stuff? If this ever happened suddenly you might find that you are playing the wrong game.
But yes, that stupid box should not be a permanent 'feature', there should be an option somewhere to turn it off ... and then do what everyone says they should be doing to slow high sec piracy, dont give concorded ships insurance payouts  this way gankers need to actually do some fast mental calculations, giving their brains a workout every time they cargo scan |
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