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Neeross	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:04:00 - [1] What would happen if say I were to fit a frigate with a perma mwd and just fly off into nothingness for an extended period of time bookmarking every 100au's or so for quick warping back? could i possibly travel to a nearby solar system if given enough time and of course going the right direction? and would these bookmarks allow for a possible alternative travel route bypassing stargates? I dont know what kind of logistical and tactical possiblities this could open up but I could imagine sneaking a large fleet into an enemy solar system previously scouted this way. I am sure I am not the first person to think of this but does anyone have any thoughts on the subject?
RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:07:00 - [2] 1) your paragraph function would break 2) no you will never leave the system 3) do the maths it will take years [and eve still wont change location anyway] -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve,
Arakidias Murky Inc. Power Of 3	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:07:00 - [3] Even with the best permaspeed setup it would take years. A while ago, when it was still possible to warp towards empty space, thanks to a few tricks that are by now (afaik) impossible, someone did try to get into jove space and even reached it, in a sense, but to really get into another solar system a session change is required and that needs stargates.
DiaBlo UK Precision Engineering	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:08:00 - [4] Edited by: DiaBlo UK on 20/06/2008 13:09:19 IIRC you used to be able to, but then they made it so you couldn't, which tbh, is probably the right move, cause travelling at <light speed, its gonna take years to get to the closest star. edit- above post was what i was thinking of... Originally by: CCP Navigator Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one
Ogul ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:25:00 - [5] Originally by: DiaBlo UK Edited by: DiaBlo UK on 20/06/2008 13:09:19 IIRC you used to be able to, but then they made it so you couldn't, which tbh, is probably the right move, cause travelling at <light speed, its gonna take years to get to the closest star. Good thing that warping is a lot faster than light then... --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.20 13:58:00 - [6] Originally by: DiaBlo UK IIRC you used to be able to... Nope. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Princess Jodi Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:03:00 - [7] Yeah, nothing will happen. You used to be able to select a star from the F10 map and warp to it. You'd travel as long as your cap lasted. The F10 map showed you as being several systems away, but in reality you were still in the same system. About the only good thing you can get out of mwd'ing off into the darkness is some decent safe spots. Go far enough and you won't show up on probes.
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:03:00 - [8] Im supprised at how often this comes up. I realize the following does not relate to the 'game world' but.... It seems people have no grasp on the vastness of space. If you left a station and ran with MWD on the day of the launch of the game (and there were no down times) you would still be in the same systems. Not weeks, months, days, more like decades if not centurys. A good example is if on a scale the distance between the earth and the sun was about the thickness of a piece of paper, the distance from the sun to Jupiter would be about 3 miles and your not even out of the solar system yet. This is why I am highly skeptical of ailens visiting Earth. Short of 'folding' space the distances prevent it. Even at speeds approaching the speed of light. Besides what the heck would little green men whom can fold space want with us?
Alina Zalo	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Bleeshtar Besides what the heck would little green men whom can fold space want with us? Dude!! we have "The Hulk Hogan Show" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" Whats NOT to want????
Vistrix Ferocia	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:39:00 - [10] Edited by: Vistrix Ferocia on 20/06/2008 14:42:59 Originally by: Bleeshtar Im supprised at how often this comes up. I realize the following does not relate to the 'game world' but.... It seems people have no grasp on the vastness of space. If you left a station and ran with MWD on the day of the launch of the game (and there were no down times) you would still be in the same systems. Not weeks, months, days, more like decades if not centurys. A good example is if on a scale the distance between the earth and the sun was about the thickness of a piece of paper, the distance from the sun to Jupiter would be about 3 miles and your not even out of the solar system yet. This is why I am highly skeptical of ailens visiting Earth. Short of 'folding' space the distances prevent it. Even at speeds approaching the speed of light. Besides what the heck would little green men whom can fold space want with us? Going off topic here but... You're skeptical of "aliens" visiting our solar system because of the human theory of distance? How possible is it that this "alien" race travels totally different from us? Many factors could influence their travel speed that we wouldnt have a clue about (for example planet resources? genetic?) To say its highly unlikely that another race cant really visit us based on human logic is a bit silly
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Bleeshtar I A good example is if on a scale the distance between the earth and the sun was about the thickness of a piece of paper, the distance from the sun to Jupiter would be about 3 miles and your not even out of the solar system yet. This is why I am highly skeptical of ailens visiting Earth. Short of 'folding' space the distances prevent it. Even at speeds approaching the speed of light. Besides what the heck would little green men whom can fold space want with us? Two words: Quantum Entanglement We have only had Einstein's work for roughly a century. His work will eventually be revised if not replaced as we naive humans unravel the mysteries of the nature of the universe. /Hawking Earth as center of universe: debunked Flat earth: debunked Speed of sound: broken It's so safe to play along, little soldiers in a row Falling in and out of love, with something sweet to throw away. I want something good to DIE for...to make it beautiful to live.
Absimi Liard	Posted - 2008.06.20 14:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Bleeshtar A good example is if on a scale the distance between the earth and the sun was about the thickness of a piece of paper, the distance from the sun to Jupiter would be about 3 miles and your not even out of the solar system yet. I agree with your basic premise that people have a very bad sense of how big space really is. But propagating a falsehood to support your proposition isn't really a good idea. Earth is about 150 Million kilometers from the Sun (~94M miles for the metrically impaired), 1 AU in the parlance. Jupiter is a mere 778 Million kilometers from the Sun (486M miles), which is 5.2 AU. So, if the distance from Earth to the Sun is the thickness of a sheet of paper then the distance to Jupiter is about the thickness of 5 sheets of paper. Still staple-able. Even if you had meant the distance to the nearest star you'd still be off by a substantial amount. A light year is about 63,000 AU. And a typical sheet of paper is about .004 inches. 63,000 sheets of paper stacked up would be about . . . gets the calculator . . . 252 feet. So the nearest star, Proxima Centauri (at 4.24 ly from Earth), would be about 1200 feet away from the Sun if 1AU was set equal to the width of a piece of paper. Which is still spectacularly far away. At 5000m/s you would take about 600,000 YEARS to reach Proxima Centauri. So I wish the folks trying to MWD to another star luck. But I doubt that in 600,000 years EVE Online will still be running. In fact I doubt Homo Sapiens Sapiens will still exist, we will doubtless have evolved into a new species by then. -abs
Alora Venoda GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.06.20 15:50:00 - [13] 1 AU = the distance from the planet Earth to the Sun = 149,598,000 km so even if you could go 1000 km/s, it would still take almost 2 days to go just 1 AU. ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Anferney Black Sands	Posted - 2008.06.20 16:06:00 - [14] Originally by: Doc Fury Two words: Quantum Entanglement From all of the preliminary work done on this, it is not a very good way of getting around that whole speed of light issue. It seems theoretically possible that you can get faster than light information transfer this way, but the requirements for doing so are presently far beyond our scope as we are not really capable of maintaining the coherence of macroscopic quantum systems for the required times or distances for such transfers. Even if we were able to, you still need a way to get part of your entangled system to where you want to put your information in the first place. So, we are still restricted (within modern theory) by the speed of light. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.20 16:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Vistrix Ferocia Going off topic here but... You're skeptical of "aliens" visiting our solar system because of human theories such as distance, travel and speed? How possible is it that this "alien" race travels totally different from us? Many factors could influence their "travel speed" that we wouldnt have a clue about (for example planet resources? Or genetic?) To say its highly unlikely that another race cant really visit us based on human logic is a bit silly I wasent saying that its not beyond being somehow a reality, what I was saying is... why would they bother? ps; (to the other poster) Thanks for straightning out my 'scale' example, I 'knew' I had something screwed up. Possibly the 3 miles is to the nearest galaxy.

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