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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:01:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Noobs should not be out on the front likes as tackle frigs in their first 30. They need time to take it all in! And the benefit of more into better corps outweighs your need for cannon fodder. Make it harder to make throwaway spi alts!
A pvp combat corp isn't going to fleet up with someone who isn't familiar with the game, they will just be a liability and will die so damn fast they might as well not come at all. Something as easy as burn out to the target and orbit at maximum scram/web range is easy and makes a newbie useful. They can pick up the basics along the way.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:13:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 05:50:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck." Good luck.
Meh
Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money.
I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:12:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
According to some, you should just have trained logi and gone on Incursions. Aren't they helpful?
I'm still waiting for the Incursion groups that welcome anyone who can fly a BC into their midst. Straight from the horse's mouth. I feel your pain, and wish I had better advice than "good luck." Good luck. Meh Nothing to me is more nihilistic than making money to serve no other end than to make more money. I just get tired of reading about how they are something that anyone can get into when they are so obviously not. It's the same minmax crowd you see in any highend pve area of a game and they never, ever change. I think you missed the irony in my post. You were probably given the advice to run Incursions to get money for [whatever]. Then somebody like Cipher Jones comes along and tells you it's easy to train for logi or tengus and start running incursions, so you try to do that but train for a battlecruiser, too, in the interim. You do this for survivability and with the hopes of being allowed in Incursion fleets because your fit is "good enough for now." Except it isn't, because those bastards don't want to take an ISK per hour hit or they won't get any coal from their Chinese ISK Lords for the furnace. Sound about right? So inflation happens, the Tengu gets further away, and you still don't have any income or anything to show for your training. And people wonder why you'd be frustrated? Training for logi or tengus takes months of time and subs. You're literally paying CCP in the hopes that their crop of cool kids will eventually accept you into the fold when you hit that "magic number." If I had this experience in Eve, I'd be tempted to leave, too. Incursions. Are. Stupid.
Oh no, I had the BC, Tengu ect. skills even before this whole mess started. What I lack is the 800m or so for one and the idea of buying one with all the trimmings and having enough to replace it in a speedy fashion makes me think what's the point? Buying the best ships in the game just to farm money is stupid. If I had sh*tloads of disposable income I'd be pvp'ing regularly. Farming should be a means, not an ends.
I couldn't care less about joining them I just hate it when people misrepresent a situation to serve their own purposes.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 06:19:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Pink Leaf wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
New player can join group who does.
Problem solved.
Eve isn't for everybody, maybe even you.
Please try to understand that not all who play eve, need to prove they have a bigger wanger than the next eve player.  How does joining a group make your wang bigger? I never experienced this effect...
Stand next to someone with a much smaller wang? 
It'll at least look bigger.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:04:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:
I liked your post, but noob corps aren't the answer. Blind leading the blind and all.
The best thing you could possibly do is get out of noob corps for good. Obviously I'm going to suggest combat PVE, to synergize with your goal of PVP combat.
But don't grind too much. Go out and have fun in cheaper, throwaway ships. Who knows, you might find a faction spawn out in low-sec. I did. On my third day subbed. In a frigate. I got a Halo Beta for my troubles, even though I didn't get any player kills that night!
The ISK sorts itself out in time.
I would say instead of newbie corps, a system that gives you a list of registered player corps relevant to your career path and forces you to join one is a nice idea. It dumps you in the game with people who play how you want to and who actually want to help you because they benefit from it as well.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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Valentyn3
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.14 08:40:00 -
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Tomiko Kawase wrote:Valentyn3 wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:
I liked your post, but noob corps aren't the answer. Blind leading the blind and all.
The best thing you could possibly do is get out of noob corps for good. Obviously I'm going to suggest combat PVE, to synergize with your goal of PVP combat.
But don't grind too much. Go out and have fun in cheaper, throwaway ships. Who knows, you might find a faction spawn out in low-sec. I did. On my third day subbed. In a frigate. I got a Halo Beta for my troubles, even though I didn't get any player kills that night!
The ISK sorts itself out in time.
I would say instead of newbie corps, a system that gives you a list of registered player corps relevant to your career path and forces you to join one is a nice idea. It dumps you in the game with people who play how you want to and who actually want to help you because they benefit from it as well. Forcing someone to do something shouldn't really be an option, at least not in that context. What needs to be reworked is the archaic UI for finding corps. For the first week I played EvE I wasn't really sure if the "corp" I was in was controlled by NPCs or not. By a stroke of luck I found Dreddit and was able to avoid the debacle of newbie corps.
Probably a better idea.
It was just a random thought I had. Maybe a section of the tutorial just for the corp system ect. As you said, it can be pretty complicated, like the rest of the game, for a new player.
I don't always use hax. But when I do, it's because I'm an NPC.. http://i.imgur.com/PUZou.jpg
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