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remo man
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:09:00 -
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This discussion and the whining of fools continually amazes me tbh.
There are counters to the "nano" ships, use them/ignore them i dont really care. What I do care about is the fact that people keep calling them unbeatable or invincible, you have no idea how easy it is to kill nanos, your just failing at the pvp aspect of this game if you say they are such things.
As has been said before somewhere the reason we personally (and tbh other groups) use nano setups/ships/tactics is because we are usually gangs of 10-15 taking on groups of anywhere from 40-100+ . Since it seems Caldari can't grow the balls to jump into low sec without those numbers that is what we have to do. Pls don't think that we will allow you to play this game on easy mode with the "oh just sit there in big ships and stay still so we can shoot you really easily plspls".
You outnumber us, you outgun us but we will not let you win. So i suggest all the nano whinners go away , think about what ships people have suggested to use, the tactics you need to fight us and try do better than the massacring you have taken from us everytime we come looking for you. |
Victor Forge
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:34:00 -
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 Originally by: remo man
You outnumber us, you outgun us but we will not let you win. So i suggest all the nano whinners go away , think about what ships people have suggested to use, the tactics you need to fight us and try do better than the massacring you have taken from us everytime we come looking for you.
The most effective way to get nano-whiners "go away" is not by telling them so, or even by nerfing nano-ships.
The most effective way is to tell them to use nano-ships as well. And once they do they will hope that nano-ships never will be nerfed.
Because you will never hear rogues in WoW asking for a rogue nerf. Same thing here, nano-ships users will never ask for a nano-ship nerf.
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remo man
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:54:00 -
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Your missing the point. Pls do not use 2 words of what i've said and twist it out of context to fit your point.
So i will repeat. I ask for people to go away, listen to whats been said, learn from it and their experiences and use that next time they fight groups like us. You don't need nano to fight nano, you can even do it with t1 and some brains.
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Faife
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:08:00 -
[34]
for god's sake caldari, you guys are the anti-nano race with ECM.
that's specifically there so that you can counter them. how dense are you?
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Ulstan
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:09:00 -
[35]
Really confused by this thread.
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Aneu Angellus
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:15:00 -
[36]
Nano-cerbs with ECM and missile velocity rigs anyone?
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Nano-cerbs with ECM and missile velocity rigs anyone?
I think the OP wants to be able to do it in T1 frigs and cruisers without EW support...or a gang...or do anything which requires more than just clicking 'Target' and pressing F1-F5...
Like in a lvl 3 mission. 
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Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Roguehalo on 21/06/2008 21:07:18
Originally by: TFU 2
Well Roguehalo, the last ship we killed you in was a Kessie with 3 passive shield hardners. How do you even expect to catch us without a MWD or scram/web? Stop whining and adapt..........
There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey; This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army; This causes restlessness in the soldier's minds. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. - Sun Tzu
My very noobish kestrel cost rather less than that 226 million Muninn you just lost. Linkage
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LOPEZ
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:12:00 -
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W1N W1N W1N! You guys just made my day. lol Invicta 4tw!      
Revelation
Eclipse |
tarin adur
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:14:00 -
[40]
Invicta FTW, love flying with you guys.
Especially with Danneh and Spork, oh and Autokill
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Ariko Gunaris
Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 21:17:46
Invicta are actually not that good.
I would consider them only moderately skilled, and certainly not elite. They have only recently got a name for themselves by killing lots of disorganized low skill/newbies in factional warfare. Anyone who boasts about such a feat is not only not elite, but possibly rather poor at real PvP.
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
If nanogangs are epic wow quilds, then what are smartbombing nanphoons?
Really stupid ship setups?
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Victor Forge
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:26:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 21:17:46
Invicta are actually not that good.
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
Using multiple Titans and pushing the Doomsday device button is skill how?
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:29:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Siddy
If nanogangs are epic wow quilds, then what are smartbombing nanphoons?
AOC Discoing
Makes me want to try that game....
You need to buy advanced riding to have that horsekick ability now.
lvl 80 and 100 or 150gold. 
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Thorradin
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Forge
Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 21:17:46
Invicta are actually not that good.
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
Using multiple Titans and pushing the Doomsday device button is skill how?
It takes skill to convince people they want to go in the first place.
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HakanSherif
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 21:17:46
Invicta are actually not that good.
I would consider them only moderately skilled, and certainly not elite. They have only recently got a name for themselves by killing lots of disorganized low skill/newbies in factional warfare. Anyone who boasts about such a feat is not only not elite, but possibly rather poor at real PvP.
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
Someone is bitter? Pls post with yr main if u want to be taken seriously.
On a side note, we dont boast coming onto forums about what we do, we visit it rarely coz its full of idiots.
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Deja Thoris
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 21/06/2008 21:17:46
Invicta are actually not that good.
I would consider them only moderately skilled, and certainly not elite. They have only recently got a name for themselves by killing lots of disorganized low skill/newbies in factional warfare. Anyone who boasts about such a feat is not only not elite, but possibly rather poor at real PvP.
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
We don't claim to be elite or even good. We have fun doing what we do and try to improve as we go along. We really couldn't give a toss what people think of us, especially whiney bears who cant even fit a propulsion mod to their mission ships before coming to pvp. We have a small group of blues who we have much mutual respect for and thats enough for us. We joined FW on the first day we could and are making it the most fun we can for our members. We are small and can hardly bump heads full on with the size of the gangs we are up against. It's either fight our way or don't fight at all for us. We also left corps like BoB to get out of 0.0 warfare and politics. It simply wasn't our style in the long run.
To the dude who "killed" a muninn in his kessie. Grats to you, we'll try not to let that loss sink us as a corp.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:36:00 -
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I prefer to call them Yellar Flavor of the Month Nano dogs
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:37:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Spineker on 22/06/2008 00:40:29
Just popped raven3 stealth bomber hahaha.
At least there is one who tries something besids over powered ships.
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Pattern Clarc
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 22/06/2008 00:40:29
Just popped raven3 stealth bomber hahaha.
At least there is one who tries something besids over powered ships.
Battle Statistics
Kills:25
Losses:4
Damage done (ISK):764.24M
Damage received (ISK):56M
Efficiency:93.17%
THAT IS ALL
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EvilSpork
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 22/06/2008 00:40:29
Just popped raven3 stealth bomber hahaha.
At least there is one who tries something besids over powered ships.
congrats on the kill. the caldari side only lost... a raven, typhoon, drake, drake, ferox, caracal, caracal, hawk, and a vigil in that fight.
clearly a win for the caldari side.
please find something worthy of laughing at(like this fitting) before posting next time.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:06:00 -
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I would have had you too
Kills: 41 Real kills: 34 (Yeah I kill pods often)
Losses: 1 Real losses: 1
Damage dealt (ISK): 810.8M Damage taken (ISK): 80M
ISK efficiency: 91.02% ISK ratio: 10.14M : 1M
Kill / loss efficiency: 97.14% Kill / loss ratio: 34 : 1
I lost a Ibis and Manti in there somewhwere too.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: EvilSpork
please find something worthy of laughing at(like this fitting) before posting next time.
Hahah ok you got me with that one.
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Spineker
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:09:00 -
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Well at least with Invict there is always a fight I do give you guys that much and also I have respect for bringing those ships so far in to the war zone.
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Pattern Clarc
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ariko Gunaris
If you want to fight the true elites, that lies in 0.0 Delve where Band of Brothers lives.
You should really take a look at some of the employment historys of people in the corp.
The funny thing about balance is that it doesn't actually exist |
Kazacy
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.22 10:43:00 -
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I don't play WOW but i heard raiding its human players vs npc's. The question is:
Caldari militia are npc's or they have npc's IQ level?
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Nano-cerbs with ECM and missile velocity rigs anyone?
Explosion velocity is the key factor here. Who cares if your missile hits or not if it only does 0.5hp damage? Unlike with guns, transversal is irrelevant; whether they're coming right at you, fleeing directly away or orbiting at speed doesn't matter, only their actual speed. Base explosion velocity of a precision heavy is 1000m/s; 1500m/s with max skills, 1775m/s with an EV rig. They do poor damage to start with; against a 4km/s nano-ishtar they're horrible - the Cerb with be doing about 1/4 the DPS of the Ishtar's T2 sentries/heavies, and against a 6km/s Vaga they're flat-out ineffective.
Missiles are lacking the equivalent of tracking computers and tracking enhancers needed to be genuinely effective against speed-fit ships.
ECM is fine for preventing the nano ships doing much - until it fails - but all the ECM ships use missiles. None of the caldari gun ships have a tracking bonus. They have range bonuses, sure, but they're far too slow and heavy to get or maintain that range.
In short, Caldari ships are peculiarly ill-suited to take on nanos without support from other races' ships. With enough ECM support they can defend themselves against the nanos, but that's all.
Note: I'm not complaining about Caldari ships, or advocating nano nerfing. I'm just saying that Caldari are weak vs speed ships and giving reasons why.
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Trinity Faetal
0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
Edited by: Siddy on 21/06/2008 09:58:52
or 5 year old veterans that only pay for this game to post on forums?
this tbh.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Edited by: Roguehalo on 21/06/2008 09:35:31
Ok the Invicta nanogang are the 'Elite Raiding Guild'
They go to war decked out in their 'purples and 'epics' and follow well rehearsed and practised routines.
Blackwing Lair anyone?
So what's Caldari supposed to do about it? Do we have to write our own 'script'? Assemble a fleet specifically designed to take them down? Practise moves? Discard our weapons of choice?
Nahhh let's just ignore the silly buggers 
BWL is so 2006.
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Tenuo
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Aneu Angellus
Nano-cerbs with ECM and missile velocity rigs anyone?
Explosion velocity is the key factor here. Who cares if your missile hits or not if it only does 0.5hp damage? Unlike with guns, transversal is irrelevant; whether they're coming right at you, fleeing directly away or orbiting at speed doesn't matter, only their actual speed. Base explosion velocity of a precision heavy is 1000m/s; 1500m/s with max skills, 1775m/s with an EV rig. They do poor damage to start with; against a 4km/s nano-ishtar they're horrible - the Cerb with be doing about 1/4 the DPS of the Ishtar's T2 sentries/heavies, and against a 6km/s Vaga they're flat-out ineffective.
Missiles are lacking the equivalent of tracking computers and tracking enhancers needed to be genuinely effective against speed-fit ships.
ECM is fine for preventing the nano ships doing much - until it fails - but all the ECM ships use missiles. None of the caldari gun ships have a tracking bonus. They have range bonuses, sure, but they're far too slow and heavy to get or maintain that range.
In short, Caldari ships are peculiarly ill-suited to take on nanos without support from other races' ships. With enough ECM support they can defend themselves against the nanos, but that's all.
Note: I'm not complaining about Caldari ships, or advocating nano nerfing. I'm just saying that Caldari are weak vs speed ships and giving reasons why.
And this needs to be fixed with a precision missile buff.
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