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Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:35:00 -
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Edited by: Roguehalo on 21/06/2008 09:35:31
Ok the Invicta nanogang are the 'Elite Raiding Guild'
They go to war decked out in their 'purples and 'epics' and follow well rehearsed and practised routines.
Blackwing Lair anyone?
So what's Caldari supposed to do about it? Do we have to write our own 'script'? Assemble a fleet specifically designed to take them down? Practise moves? Discard our weapons of choice?
Nahhh let's just ignore the silly buggers 
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:53:00 -
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 Originally by: Roguehalo
Assemble a fleet specifically designed to take them down? Practise moves? Discard our weapons of choice?
Considering that nano gangs are designed to avoid your weapons of choice, I think it would be intelligent to adapt and use something else.
A caldari gang needs fast tacklers just like everyone else.
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:57:00 -
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If nanogangs are epic wow quilds, then what are smartbombing nanphoons?
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.21 09:59:00 -
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Edited by: Siddy on 21/06/2008 09:58:52
or spidertankking carriers + 3x plate support BS's campping busy agent station that spit outside docking range?
or 5 year old veterans that only pay for this game to post on forums?
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T'ey see me t'Rollin,
t'ey hatin, pa'trolli.
T'ey trying catch me writing dirty... |
burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Considering that nano gangs are designed to avoid your weapons of choice, I think it would be intelligent to adapt and use something else.
I predict this very logical suggestion to be promptly dismissed... |
Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: burek
I predict this very logical suggestion to be promptly dismissed...
Hehe you just made the 1st dumb post in the thread
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domadworkkid
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:14:00 -
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ummm...
This corp has .. shined a little recently in FW.
Now come on... These pilots are facing a Caldari Facation group(Caldari are most played in EVE by 50%) and alot are noobies to PVP.
So lets not even start comapring these catz to anything... your at best a invic alt trying to big youy up for more than you are.Any even sized gang or less with EW and your out.. so don't start alts..
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/06/2008 10:17:34
Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: burek
I predict this very logical suggestion to be promptly dismissed...
Hehe you just made the 1st dumb post in the thread
I dont think it was dumb... if you have read the threads about nano gangs, you will see that lots of people think they should not have to train another race to be competitive. You have to use the right tool for any job, weather that tool is being part of someone else's arsenal or not.
A gang made up of ships from different race ships is much better off than a race specific gang in my opinion. It becomes versatile, which is what is needed here.
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Reem Fairchild
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: burek
I predict this very logical suggestion to be promptly dismissed...
Hehe you just made the 1st dumb post in the thread
I think he was too late for that distinction.
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Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:40:00 -
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Are you suggesting nanoships are invulnerable to missiles and that Caldari should now start training for something else because missiles are borked?
Excuse if this sounds rather dumb but I think it would be more reasonable to unbork missiles.
But ofc all this has been covered in other threads and it wasn't the intention of my original post to rehash already well covered issues. I was just trying to look at the situation from a slightly different perspective.
Faction warfare is just that.........FACTION warfare. Cross training this that and the other for pvp was all fine and dandy before FW, but issues re racial bonuses are now being thrown up by FW, the implications of which CCP hasn't possibly fully considered.
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Gamesguy
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Are you suggesting nanoships are invulnerable to missiles and that Caldari should now start training for something else because missiles are borked?
Excuse if this sounds rather dumb but I think it would be more reasonable to unbork missiles.
But ofc all this has been covered in other threads and it wasn't the intention of my original post to rehash already well covered issues. I was just trying to look at the situation from a slightly different perspective.
Faction warfare is just that.........FACTION warfare. Cross training this that and the other for pvp was all fine and dandy before FW, but issues re racial bonuses are now being thrown up by FW, the implications of which CCP hasn't possibly fully considered.
You have this whole other class of weapons called hybrid guns, half your ships use them, I suggest you look them up.
Also, it would be quite easy to beat a nano-gang only using missile boats, but that would require you to actually have a plan and dedicated setups instead of bring your mission running ships.
The unorganized blob of caracals and drakes is exactly what nanogangs are good at killing.
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Sergara Darkthorn
black hearts
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Posted - 2008.06.21 10:50:00 -
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No... no comparison at all
For one (as yet) ive not heard any of them smack talk in local.. thats left to the 'hangers on' in the fleets.
You know... the guy who turned up to the fight in his Thorax and got a shot off with his rail, all of a sudden hes gods gift and smacks like a true Goon would
Now that would be an ideal comparrison to WoW
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Roguehalo
RH Ship Brokers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Roguehalo on 21/06/2008 11:02:20
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Also, it would be quite easy to beat a nano-gang only using missile boats, but that would require you to actually have a plan and dedicated setups instead of bring your mission running ships.
Hmmm you mean like how elite WOW guilds clear high end instas?
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:06:00 -
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I WANT HUGE ****OFF '80s SHOULDERPADS FOR MY SHIPS. WITH SPIKES ON!
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My Julutschka
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:25:00 -
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SANSHA HAS TEH SP1KEZ
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:32:00 -
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wtb mongoose for my vaga, have mats.
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CrayC
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Nahhh let's just ignore the silly buggers
Why make a thread about them then? 
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Ioci
Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:37:00 -
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I'm not sure what Invicta is but Against all Authority are nano blobbers too. It's the FOTM raid system. BoB use it though they tend to use 3rd party alliances. It works. |
Napro
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:38:00 -
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Why cant CCP just double the velocity of missiles and halve the flight time?
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Asestorian
Domination.
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Edited by: Roguehalo on 21/06/2008 11:02:20
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Also, it would be quite easy to beat a nano-gang only using missile boats, but that would require you to actually have a plan and dedicated setups instead of bring your mission running ships.
Hmmm you mean like how elite WOW guilds clear high end instas?
I don't know what your obsession with raiding guilds is, but yes, that's right. You need a strategy, the correct tools to complete that strategy, and people willing to work within it. That's how EVE works. Factional Warfare doesn't change that.
If you just bring along whatever the hell you like, fitting however the hell you like, you're going to end up with a mess. Now that is obviously going to lose against an enemy that is fitting their ships the same and working together to exploit their strengths and your weaknesses.
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.21 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Napro
Why cant CCP just double the velocity of missiles and halve the flight time?
it hardly makes any sense that most of my ships can fly faster than my missiles, taking into account that even todays missiles can hit 3.5 km/sec in atmosphere!
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burek
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: burek on 21/06/2008 12:10:11
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 21/06/2008 10:17:34
Originally by: Roguehalo
Originally by: burek
I predict this very logical suggestion to be promptly dismissed...
Hehe you just made the 1st dumb post in the thread
I dont think it was dumb... if you have read the threads about nano gangs, you will see that lots of people think they should not have to train another race to be competitive. You have to use the right tool for any job, weather that tool is being part of someone else's arsenal or not.
A gang made up of ships from different race ships is much better off than a race specific gang in my opinion. It becomes versatile, which is what is needed here.
That's what I was getting at.
Unless there is something else which is making my post dumb? Something much more complex for my tiny brain to comprehend... |
techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.21 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
or 5 year old veterans that only pay for this game to post on forums?
I'm still amused by this fact. And I know it to be true 
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster 
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Marduk Jerak
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:17:00 -
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wat |
TFU 2
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:29:00 -
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Well Roguehalo, the last ship we killed you in was a Kessie with 3 passive shield hardners. How do you even expect to catch us without a MWD or scram/web? Stop whining and adapt..........
There are three ways in which a ruler can bring misfortune upon his army: By commanding the army to advance or to retreat, being ignorant of the fact that it cannot obey; This is called hobbling the army. By attempting to govern an army in the same way as he administers a kingdom, being ignorant of the conditions which obtain in an army; This causes restlessness in the soldier's minds. By employing the officers of his army without discrimination, through ignorance of the military principle of adaptation to circumstances. - Sun Tzu
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Victor Forge
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:42:00 -
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I think the answer is simply "if you canŠt fight them, join them". As in donŠt pvp unless you can fly a Nano-ship. (and can afford to lose it)
There is a thread in ship forum singing the praise of Nano-ships.
"Why nano everything?"
Some quotes from that thread:
"Because nano's are the only ships that can get away from the all too common hotdropping these days.
Introduce mobile cynojammers for HIC's and watch EvE go back to damage dealing rather than trying to avoid combat as a ships primary purpose."
"Because nano's are the only ships that can get away from the all too common hotdropping these days.
Introduce mobile cynojammers for HIC's and watch EvE go back to damage dealing rather than trying to avoid combat as a ships primary purpose."
"Because ever since the WCS nerf, people have been looking for a way to PVP while minimising the risk. Currently, a fast nanoship is pretty much invincible if boarded by a competent pilot.
Some extreme nano setups are expensive, but on the other hand, they pay for themselves though reduced shiploss. "
"Because you can outrun missiles, and make tracking nearly useless when you go fast enough. Combat has broken down to either nano, or blob (remote reppers) in Eve. So gate camps = blob, and roaming gangs = nano."
"Go faster than 4-5km/s and you'll start to avoid damage. A nano might fly 7-8km/s or 15km/s+ (uncommon, maybe a pimped ceptor). Even flying at a normal 4-5km/s you can avoid most damage and mostly be threatened by another nano or a Rapier/Huginn (also likely nano'd).
Speed is life. Speed is more important than tanking or dps. The goal is to use speed to attack at will, avoid damage, control range, and escape when threatened."
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
or 5 year old veterans that only pay for this game to post on forums?
thats pretty sad if true..
You're doing it wrong. |
Kaar
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
If nanogangs are epic wow quilds, then what are smartbombing nanphoons?
AOC Discoing
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
Originally by: Siddy
If nanogangs are epic wow quilds, then what are smartbombing nanphoons?
AOC Discoing
Makes me want to try that game....
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Its dead, Jim.
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Corstaad
Vardr ok Lidskjalv
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:58:00 -
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Invicta should stand up to the Drakes and take it like a man!
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