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Thohamon Set
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:06:00 -
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what is the average time you should look for. Is 6 months a good goal? I want to get real good with support skills and Battlecrusiers and below. Will i miss out on lvl 4 mission money by not trying to get into a battleship sooner. My goal is to FW in Crusier or Covert Opts stuff. Getting into a Battleship for me would mainly be for PvE mission to make money to support FW PvP.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:07:00 -
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The t1 ships are all layed out in a natural progression.
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You are all worthless, and weak.
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:12:00 -
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When you don't have to ask when you'll be ready, then you're ready 
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Deldrac
Bat Country
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:14:00 -
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Probably 2 months ish is normal.
But it is more important to have a ship suitable for the fittings you can operate and the task you are performing.
Assuming you are flying Amarr ships I'd stick with Crusiers for FW, if you are making money in PvE combat, upgrade to a Harbinger BC for level 3s and Armageddon BS for 0.0 ratting or level 4s as soon as you possibly can.
If you are having fun in FW and don't have isk problems as a result, you don't need to worry about upgrading.
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Jack Jombardo
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:25:00 -
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Absolut depends on your Rase.
- Amarr needs very high energy skills but that's all to "fly" one
- Caladri you might stay with the drake for very long as it is the only BC wich can manage level 4th
- Gallente is proberbly the fastest. Some armor/energy + 5 heavy drones
- Minmatar .. needs a lot of skills until you might want to fly a BS (they don't realy have very good mission BS anyway)
Better train your BC-skills up to quick-rush level 3s as you can make about 2 to 3 mil in 20 minutes just from bounty. Do not salvage/lot them (except angels maybe for tritan bars). Just rush them for bounty. For Minmatar the Hurrican is a very good level 3 rusher :).
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ShardowRhino
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:25:00 -
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seriously six months using a combat pilot template is excessively long. ive seen pilots get into a BS within a month or two. what you want to do is make sure you have at least T2 defenses and try to get bs3 or 4. get your weapon and weapon related skills up to 4 or as close as possible.
The biggest problem youll have as a new bs pilot is tanking as opposed to DPS. Even with moderate skills youll be making more isk per hour then with high skills for a bc doing L3s.
Best thing you can do beyond t2 defenses is getting the skills for a large capbooster and a load of cap800s. those 2 things are the key to L4s as a rookie. The next biggest problem is knowing to only aggro 1 group at a time before shooting at anything else. Also be sure to study the L4 mission guides made by those that came before you. always check them before going into the mission.
get EVEMON to figure out how long you could possibly get into a bs able to tank an L4. Get EFT(eve fitting table) so you can see the stats of your ship before you ever have to buy it and put it together.
Always insure at max level. ifyou cant do that then dont get the ship! Always kill rats smallest to largest! that blob of cruisers and BCs do a lot more then the BSes that newbies fear the most and therfore target first o nly to be popped by the smaller rats.
light drones are a must to kill frigs that web or scram you. If you have to choose between lights and medium/heavies go with lights to pop the frigs.the frigs have gotten me killed a few times when i started L4s.
Something you might consider is finding a L3 mission runner and asking him to join you. He can take out the smaller ships faster then you ,making it safer to do L4s. you tank the damage of the aggroed rats and bring the dps for the BSes. you both live and make isk eaiser then solo. who knows you might find a mission partner. Yes you split the isk but 2 newbies working together makes it safer,easier and faster. So youll more then make up for the percent the other guy gets from the mission.
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whahein
Bipolar Barnstorming
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:32:00 -
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It kind of depend what your doing for PvE fast might be good, for PvP it a matter of choice you need good grid and support skills first but thats the case for every ship type anyway, here it's also a case of isk flow can you fund BS'es by the dozens or not?
Ill say maybe a month.
BC's arent really low sp ships, untill you get t2 mid weapons you can probably ignore them and you want the support skills enabling you to use large t1 first anyway.
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Tippia
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Thohamon Set
Getting into a Battleship for me would mainly be for PvE mission to make money to support FW PvP.
First question you need to ask yourself is this: do you really need to get into a BS? L4s can be done just fine – if, admitedly, slightly slower – in a BC, and the time spend getting your large-weaponry skills up to snuff can instead be used to train towards T2 Cruisers and BCs.
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Freya Runestone
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
Get EFT(eve fitting table)
Don't you mean tool? or is there a different one?
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:42:00 -
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This char is nearly two years old and I just started flying BS's...
That said, I also have HAC's, Recons, Heavy dictors, Dictors etc for two races... and might train a third.
I guess it depends on what you want to do (PvE or PvP) and I tend to like the support role in PvP more, rather than the damage dealer or tank.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster 
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Viqtoria
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:48:00 -
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Battleships can be flown well with reasonably little SP, as long as you think it out.
Fit resistances for the mission, Deal the appropiate damage, Use drones to whack scrambling frigates (you can whack'em on approach, as they mwd right at you, with your main weapons) and use your main weapons to nullify the bigger targets.
use a website like eve-survival.com to give you a good but not totally accurate idea of what to expect, and think ahead, never pop triggers before you can handle them, etc. And always pop the warp scambling frigates first.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Viqtoria
And always pop the warp scambling frigates first.
It's my opinion that the warp scrambling frigs should be the triggers 
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:51:00 -
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I was doing level 4's in a dominix at 2m sp. Granted I wasn't doing them well, or easily, but I was making a hell of a lot more money than I was doing level 3's
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.06.21 14:48:00 -
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if you're new at eve, do yourself a favor and round out the skills for each hull as you train through them, starting with frigate. coming from someone who rushed into a BS, no really, you don't really learn eve the way it was intended. at least from what i can imagine.
i started a new character a few months ago with the intention of training frigate and forcing myself to not even buy skills for bigger hulls until i could fly the t2 version of that classes hull and L4 or 5 on all the necessary support skills for it.
its amazing how much easier it is to follow the learning curve if you do this. forcing yourself to play those smaller hulls, you learn how they operate. and whether you go the pvp route or missions or whatever, there are things you should understand about them. like signature radius, transversal velocity and everything those smaller hulls will use to try and bring your big target of a bs down in any scenario.
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Lyta Reimalken
No Fear Buccaneers
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:27:00 -
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More importantly, the battleship is only the 'end game' if you want it to be.
I have approaching 30m skillpoints and I neither have nor want to step foot in a ship larger than a cruiser. And why should you? Some of the most capable and interesting ships are cruiser and frigate sized, not to mention the inherent advantages over larger boats in terms of manouverability.
Eve is what you make it, and similarly, your ship type goals should reflect what you want to do in eve.
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Ubik Null
The Ore House
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Posted - 2008.06.21 15:45:00 -
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Hard to set a strict time or SP level, it depends. Generally, if you've earned enough ISK to buy and fit one you can probably fly one well enough for missions. For me, the exception would be Minmatar since they require more skills, imo.
In my limited experience with FW, lvl 3 missions can more than keep up with replacement costs if you're in cruisers or frigates.
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
This char is nearly two years old and I just started flying BS's...
That said, I also have HAC's, Recons, Heavy dictors, Dictors etc for two races... and might train a third.
That's the career arc I'm looking at as well. I'll be getting into a cruise raven soon- ish for L4s because the ISK is said to be good... but I don't really count a PvE raven as "flying a BS." No offense to anybody but there it is.
Mostly though the T2 frigs and cruisers seem the most interesting to me and I can't wait to get into some of them. Blasterthrons are damn sexy so it's tempting but I think I'm going to wait it out.
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Dantes Revenge
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:10:00 -
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When you are just about as good as you can get in the ship you are flying, it's time to move up. There are a lot of support skills to train that are essential for a BS to sustain a tank, do reasonable damage and operate at a useful level.
Remember that flying a BS is not always the best thing to do depending on your playstyle. It's slow, an easy target and DPS is not always as good as some of the smaller ships without considerable skills.
Have a good go at all the ships and you may find your style suits a smaller ship better. I found my favourite ship was the BC and even though I'll still train bigger ships and weapons etc, I'll always go back to my favourite. I went down the route of Command ships which are really just a tougher version of the BC and I love them. They are agile and tough cookies some even have nearly as much DPS as a BS even though they use med weapons and with a good setup, can tank nearly as much damage as a BS. Some Hacs are good as well.
In a nutshell, don't just go for a BS cos it's big. Experiment and you may be surprised at what you find that suits your stlye best.
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Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.06.21 16:50:00 -
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You can be doing Lv4 missions in a BS fairly comfortably in 6 weeks or so but that's missing a whole lot of skills you'll really want in pvp.
If you want to pvp in smaller stuff, then by all means, have a good time doing that, it doesn't take a big budget to pvp in a cruiser.
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Tortun Nahme
Umbra Synergy
Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:39:00 -
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whenever you think you will enjoy it, personally, i can fly everything in the book and i still usually fly frigates, because they are fun
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun
Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.06.21 17:56:00 -
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I feel morally obligated to blow up any battleship that is flown by a character less than 30 days old.
I know less than you think I do.
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