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Rakaim
Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:15:00 -
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This is a sincere post.
I think CCP is the best game company I have come across in a long time. I'm reading around these forums - not posting much - and seeing around almost every corner someone ranting about how much CCP sucks. Well I beg to differ and encourage those that blow the horn about CCP being jerks that are just collecting money to step back and analyze some facts.
Tranquility is the largest game server in existence.
CCP brings expansions very often.
CCP is the most pro-active when it comes to fixing problems of any other game company I know.
Our requests and ideas shape this game, it's not all about what the company dreams, it's our dreams coming true too!
They handle the game and helping subscribers with a small dose of dry wit that helps put a smile on you when you weren't expecting it. Place for the dohnuts in the pod? That's still gold. Stepping out to find a bush? Funny!
Complaints against CCP? (These are just the ones I've been exposed to)
Problem: "They gave that [Band of Brothers] guy a blueprint, and that's not fair"
My Response: well first, life isn't fair, second - it's all better now and the person giving out candy to the most powerful alliances has been dealt with. The rest of CCP flies right.
Problem: "Servers crash 'ALL TEH' TIYM!"
My Response: You try and code this beast. When servers crash I've heard of game administrators getting up in the middle of their night so we can keep playing video games through ours. MMO servers crash - that's what they do. In my experience Eve has crashed the least out of all the MMO's I've played over time.
Problem: ôMy boot.ini was pwned and now my computer is screwedö
My Response: Oh my boot.ini was æpwnedÆ too and my computer still booted.
"They should use their manpower not to improve graphics - but to fix bugs!"
àDifferent engines, different people.
This post was not designed to search for problems that I have not addressed. I want to find out if there is anyone left in the world of Eve that is still engulfed in wonder of this space based world. (I'm just starting my 3rd year)
Any CCP lovers still out there? There must be some, you still play Eve!
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:18:00 -
[2]
ccp ftw
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Samaritan Azuma
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:19:00 -
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i like ccp
I'm BoF's token american. |
Dmian
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:21:00 -
[4]
I like that penguins company too...
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Zephyr Rengate
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:21:00 -
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CCP lovers?! None exist to my knowledge, though ive heard a rumor that they reproduce at an event called "fanfest". Which is silly noncence.
 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...
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Vailence Asher
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Posted - 2008.06.21 22:22:00 -
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disagree with OP, and hate some times ccp.
dont be pathetic, or square.
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FluterEx
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Posted - 2008.06.21 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: FluterEx on 21/06/2008 23:29:49
OP is totally right.
+ I dont know any other MMO where u can actually talk to the Devs even if its just to make some fun, or meet them at a big party every, year talk to them and drink alot of beer with them.
CCP you rock.
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Zora
Community for Justice
ParadoXon Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:18:00 -
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Need to be careful with compliments here, we don't want the devs to get too lazy and comfortable 
In all seriousness, when I joined up for beta 5 years ago I felt this was kinda different than everything that had been tried before. The potentials were amazing already. I mean we just had frigs and our imagination at the start, and I had a frigging logbook where I would write down routes (it doesn't get much more nerdy than this eh?).
And now over time, a lot of the potential has been unleashed. Decisions have been made and a lot of the 'magic' from the beginning seems lost, titans are actually here and not just talked about in legends and stories, etc. It's like when you're reading a good book, and then the movie for it comes out: most of the time you imagined it differently while reading, and thus you are disappointed no matter how good the movie might be to people who never read the book.
So yes, many things could be better. Many things 'could' have been done differently. But the way it is now, it's an amazing, complex universe waiting for new players, all on ONE single server. And CCP just blows away the competition in terms of customer support and actually 'listening' to player requests.
Believe me, you won't find a single other MMO company who is so dedicated to what they are doing, and so involved in their community.
Got carried away there... anyway, word to the wise: keep refining the game, keep improving on the things that are not-so-well-implemented-yet, keep improving on the IMMERSION which is the single most important thing to eve for me. Fine-tuning pvp mechanics is one thing, but taking a step back and looking at the overall experience is necessary as well.
FW is a great start, keep going in this direction and you shall earn some more laudations from me 
Now make sure the hamsters don't run out of food!
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Lars Lodar
Induseng Enterprises
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:25:00 -
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Thanks for the post.
I've been feeling the same way. I've been playing EVE for over a year and I've seen it evolve into something better with each expansion and consequently have been having more and more fun as time goes by.
It's easy to criticize faults but we have to put things into perspective also. CCP has create and game universe that is truly unique and dynamic. It has brought people together from all over the world to share in something special. For all the haters and trolls, if you weren't having some degree of fun, then why are you paying to play this wonderful game?
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:31:00 -
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CCP seems to be one of those companies who prioritize concept over polish; another example is Relic Entertainment. Dunno if you've ever played WH40K: Dawn of War or Company of Heroes, but it's like this: killer graphics, awesome/ hilarious voice acting, some genuinely innovative gameplay mechanics, lots of broken units, balance is typically shot to hell in one way or another (usually because they tried to add too god damn many armies).
Contrast that to a company like Blizzard, who offers up conceptually safe- and- sound games that are usually close to flawlessly executed. It's a case of boring professionals vs questionably competent but nonetheless highly inspired novices.
Which one of those two camps you're going to be more interested in is strictly a matter of taste, there's no "best" approach. I usually enjoy the high concept/ low polish stuff more myself but as always YMMV.
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Apoctasy
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.06.22 03:40:00 -
[11]
CCCP
In Soviet Union, SHIP pewpews YOU!
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.06.22 09:39:00 -
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I agree with the op. Also where aren't many other online games that give free content upgrades twice a year. Keep it up CCP
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SaorAlba
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.06.22 10:25:00 -
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Oh no, I have just spotted a Dev alt. I thought I had seen it all, I think I can die now
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Baron Agamemnon
Holy Grail Constructiion
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Posted - 2008.06.22 11:06:00 -
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Well, CCP have made EVE, and rather nice game, and I like it, for that they deserve credit. Being a realtivly new player I really don't know CCP, but from what I have seen, they do deserve s bnuch of credit :)
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Rakaim
Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:17:00 -
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I'm no Dev alt! I'm an optimist! It took me like 20 minutes to realize you were refering to me. Have you ever written a thank you letter to a company saying "Wow, you are really good at what you do"?
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White Ronin
Screenout
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:19:00 -
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If you give me a faction Domi I will agree that I like CCP and that they are great.
Till then they are only "ok" and their "we want everyone to be in an allience" ideas are crap by any standard and I hope they become constipated every time that say that.
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Harry Sachs
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Posted - 2008.06.22 17:20:00 -
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I could love CCP were it not for EVE's atrocious UI.
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Rakaim
Gallente
Rising Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:26:00 -
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What's wrong with the UI? |
Aneu Angellus
Caldari
Revival.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rakaim
What's wrong with the UI?
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Bad Harlequin
Minmatar
The Harlequinade
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:28:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Rakaim
This is a sincere post.
Right, that's it. You're out.
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:29:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Rakaim
What's wrong with the UI?
Let's just say that there's room for improvement... |
Glassback
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:32:00 -
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The only thing I have against CCP is that they have ruined all other games for me.
G.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:40:00 -
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The OPs post is obnoxious. Seems like bad TV on Sunday afternoon, where everyone is great, fantastic and wonderful.
CCP is a reasonably competent company, but it is far from Blizzard yet. They have the best idea and product, in my opinion, but their technical abilities are far worse.
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Zak Zerachiel
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Posted - 2008.06.29 20:58:00 -
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I like the game.
If you don't like the game/makers/etc, GTFO. |
Malcolm Gerwulf
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:00:00 -
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CCP is pretty good overall, but like all game companies and people they are not perfect.
Pro:
Very accessible developers, excellent forum presence. Dev blogs and technical details about server cluster upgrades and upcoming expansions are great examples of feedback.
Con:
Sometimes it seems like they have no idea what they are doing. No server logs, petitions can be approved or denied completely at a whim, and of course T20 ruined the universe with free T2 BPOs, which is by far the worst episode of player favoritism in the history of big MMOs. Yes, I'm still mad about that even though it doesn't directly affect me, it's the principle of the thing damnit. |
Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: ôMy boot.ini was pwned and now my computer is screwedö
My Response: Oh my boot.ini was æpwnedÆ too and my computer still booted.
Let me in on the secret of how your PC booted without a boot.ini then. |
trading hub
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:47:00 -
[27]
+1 |
Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.29 21:55:00 -
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I've been playing for almost a year and I still love CCP.
Also, I installed EvE on my secondary hard disk, so there.  |
Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: ôMy boot.ini was pwned and now my computer is screwedö
My Response: Oh my boot.ini was æpwnedÆ too and my computer still booted.
Let me in on the secret of how your PC booted without a boot.ini then.
winXP professional?
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:17:00 -
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They added extra turrets to all my favourite stuff.
I'm easily pleased. |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:30:00 -
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ccp rock, its just like most things in life people with something to complain about are alot more vocal than those who are perfectly happy with the situation, its human nature. |
Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: "They gave that [Band of Brothers] guy a blueprint, and that's not fair"
My Response: well first, life isn't fair, second - it's all better now and the person giving out candy to the most powerful alliances has been dealt with. The rest of CCP flies right.
The real thing here is the person who gave them the BP (I think) wasn't fired. This is very bad for PR and accountability in general. They're trying to reverse it with CSM but I dunno how seriously people take that.
Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: "Servers crash 'ALL TEH' TIYM!"
My Response: You try and code this beast. When servers crash I've heard of game administrators getting up in the middle of their night so we can keep playing video games through ours. MMO servers crash - that's what they do. In my experience Eve has crashed the least out of all the MMO's I've played over time.
Maybe you would have a more stable server if your code wasn't based on a demo you made in pre-alpha. Apparently they just kept the "EVE demo version" code and thats what we're still using today. I don't know if that introduces inefficiencies but I'd imagine it does. Apparently it also moves items very inefficiently.
Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: ôMy boot.ini was pwned and now my computer is screwedö
My Response: Oh my boot.ini was æpwnedÆ too and my computer still booted.
This was a really horrible error and no MMO developers have an excuse for that. Blizzard would never allow something like that (IMO the gold standard of game development, not necessarily products, but methods).
Originally by: Doddy
ccp rock, its just like most things in life people with something to complain about are alot more vocal than those who are perfectly happy with the situation, its human nature.
There is a very obvious difference between whining and legitimate complaints. Legitimate complaints, such as saying the UI is horrible (watch your overview delete settings and jump around every time you undock) would help everyone if CCP responded to them and generally make the game better. Whines, like all of the nano posts, just go on about how a certain group of players (FW noobs) are unable to deal with anything but other slow ships that sit on the gate. |
Pesky LaRue
Minmatar
L.O.S.T. Defence Force
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:46:00 -
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I think CCP are just about the most innovative and "best" (subjective, obviously) game developers out there. They might not be the most commercially successful and sometimes they might feel like a "mom & pop" game developer, but they have a unique vision that they're always moving towards, which I love.
I have been playing MMOG's since 99 and honestly, i can't think of a single one that is actually bigger & better after 5 years. Most of them have already been shut-down, had server-consolidations or mass player-migrations by the 5 year mark, whereas EVE gets better and more polished with each expansion.
there are very, very few MMOG's that I realistic expect to hit the 5 year mark and almost none that I can see getting to the 10 year mark - but I firmly believe EVE will, and more importantly, I think by the 10 year anniversary, this game will be better than it ever has been. |
Gorki Andropov
Free Kings of Life
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:47:00 -
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Ya, for a company CCP are alright...I mean, way better than (for instance) Blizzard, yet they seem to have a general tardiness in informing the community about problems or whatnot.
So far, they haven't given me much cause to cancel my subscription. |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente
The Beer Barons
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Posted - 2008.06.29 22:50:00 -
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I lub ccp too
/me buys Oveur a b33r |
FORD ESC0RT
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.06.29 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Harry Sachs
I could love CCP were it not for EVE's atrocious UI.
The UI is fine.
no EVE related content sig. ~WeatherMan
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.29 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: FORD ESC0RT
Originally by: Harry Sachs
I could love CCP were it not for EVE's atrocious UI.
The UI is fine.
The UI is, in most cases, acceptable. I wouldn't say fine...
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Zinras
Caldari
Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: FORD ESC0RT
Originally by: Harry Sachs
I could love CCP were it not for EVE's atrocious UI.
The UI is fine.
You, sir, are a liar |
Haakelen
Gallente
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zinras
Originally by: FORD ESC0RT
Originally by: Harry Sachs
I could love CCP were it not for EVE's atrocious UI.
The UI is fine.
You, sir, are a liar
Well it is ford escort |
Zephyr Rengate
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:32:00 -
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Ford escort is one of the biggest jokes on the forum right now. |
JanoMark
smoking blunts
Mutual Assured Destruction
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:43:00 -
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Everyone who plays this game for more than a month likes CCP and even the nubs who complain about CCP actually do like CCP else they wouldn't be playing the damn game and complaining about CCP. |
Nexus Kinnon
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.06.30 00:47:00 -
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I would like CCP more if they banned ford escort
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DogSlime
Caldari
Wilde Cards
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Posted - 2008.06.30 01:58:00 -
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I really must disagree.
Eve is a great game, but there is much about CCP that sucks.
The OP has cited a number of issues where CCP sucks, and basically says "get over it".
No. CCP charge around ú150 per year to play this game. That's a lot of money and therefore, if my boot.ini is deleted by the people who charge ú150 per year, I (and anyone else so afflicted) has every right to complain.
CCP charge plenty for a service. When the service is bad, people complain - and they should. |
Taedrin
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.30 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Taedrin on 30/06/2008 02:43:57
Originally by: Bistot Kid
Originally by: Rakaim
Problem: ôMy boot.ini was pwned and now my computer is screwedö
My Response: Oh my boot.ini was æpwnedÆ too and my computer still booted.
Let me in on the secret of how your PC booted without a boot.ini then.
"Normal" installs of Windows XP, where Windows is installed on the "first" hard drive, and on the "first" partition, ntldr will be able to correctly guess the location of the windows directory to be:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS"
I believe that the only people really affected by the boot.ini problem were people who had an "abnormal" partition layout on their hard drives.
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:12:00 -
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Hey, snap! I think we're great too.
And I love you guys xgrouphug. |
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:13:00 -
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we all like ccp |
damgood85
Excelsior Solar Management
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:31:00 -
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CCP has never done me wrong.
I have never had a server go down on me other then extended down times during upgrades and any crashes i have had were on my end IE my ISP messing with my head or my comp crashing due to some other event.
The few times I have sent in a petition it has peen responded to within a day or so and after following the advice of the mod that responded my issues have been resolved.
I am throughly willing to continue sending CCP my $14 a month and those of you who take issue with ccp's practices can stop sending your cash at any time... and PS if you stop can i have ur stuff?
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MidnightMatriarch
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Posted - 2008.06.30 04:44:00 -
[48]
Wow, you actually stopped stroking random Devs rods enough to type this post. Or did you just switch to fellating them?
And though I dislike pointless kiss up posts, I agree, CCP is a awesome company.
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Xercies Ravere
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Posted - 2008.06.30 08:30:00 -
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I am quite new t oCCP but i like them already, sure they are not perfect and they have done things that have been unacceptable but not every company is perfect and they do try to fix their mistakes. Long may they continue. |
LordSwift
New Eden Regimental Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:01:00 -
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I agree as well. CCP are awesome. I agree they have there flaws but no one is perfect. I have no personal complaints about them. Except they need to give me ambulation now. 
Most MMOs are long dead by 5 years. Eve just keeps getting better and better. Two free expansions a year. Cant complain about that
Keep up the good work CCP and i will be here even when EVE is ten years old and older. |
Hannobaal
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:22:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
I would like CCP more if they banned ford escort
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Xaziar Nortocus
Forces Unknown Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.30 09:54:00 -
[52]
We all love CCP, thats why were still paying to play EVE!
^^^ TRUTH ^^^
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Illwill Jill
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Xaziar Nortocus
We all love CCP, thats why were still paying to play EVE!
^^^ TRUTH ^^^
I keep playing EVE because I love EVE. ;)
On a more serious note, CCP is doing an awesome job at keeping EVE interesting. |
Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach
Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rakaim
What's wrong with the UI?
Try undocking in Empire while at war and have war targets on the station. When your UI resets on undock the overview is overcrowded with NPC ships and neutral player ships. It adds a few extra steps to get to your targets targeted and in combat those few seconds can equal unchallenged death.
Originally by: Taedrin
(believe it or not, you can't just fire people whenever you want!)
Depends on where you live 
Slade
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Daelorn
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:19:00 -
[55]
CCP FTFW. <3
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Rach'Na
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Posted - 2008.06.30 10:30:00 -
[56]
love ccp aswell, but as said before they are not perfect, the thing that maybe bothers me the most is the gigantic lagg sometimes in large fleet battles.
There would be nothing wrong with that if they wouldnt promote it so much, when I first started this game in 2004 it was possible to be a lone pirate, now its all about large fleets with bubbles and laggy gank ****.
I mean look at the last trailer, very nice idd but it wouldnt be playable.
Nevertheless good job ccp and I hope youguys keep listening to the players to make it a better game.  |
Nuclear Warrior
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Posted - 2008.06.30 11:34:00 -
[57]
Apart from turning my brand new 150m rigged navy issue augoror into a worthless piece of ****, I have no reason to hate on CCP, keep up the good work.
(And give me my Augoror back!) |
Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.06.30 12:28:00 -
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Couldn't agree more. Nobody's perfect, but CCP have done exceptionally well in the time I've been in EVE.
Try other MMOs to see what you get by comparison. Days of downtime for just normal maintenance is just one example that comes to mind, let alone the fact that CCP actually listens to its customer base (that doesn't mean they have to agree); not seen that anywhere else.
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