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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:42:00 -
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Was messing around with EFT today and realized that I get about the same DPS out of a Harbinger as I do with an Armageddon. The competing setups I used both had 7 t1 pulse lasers, 3 heat sinks ii, and an energy neut in a high slot, using Amarr Navy ammo. Both were in the 450-500 DPS range. Now I know that my gunnery skills are crap, and both will do much more damage when I get to T2 weapons (and T2 drones too). But, I expect they both increase by similar proportions, right? So, does the Harbinger always pump out comparable DPS to the Geddon? That's so weird.
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AstroPhobic
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Posted - 2008.06.22 00:48:00 -
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No. Geddon should scratch 1k fitted correctly, and harbinger closer to 6-700. This is probably a mix of your ship class skills and drone skills.
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Xenon Star
Kaizoku Empire
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:20:00 -
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The Armageddon will pump out over 1k dps with mega pulse II and ogre II, while still retaining a very nice buffer tank. the harbinger can get close to 800 i think, but don't quote me on this one, but thats a FULL gank setup ie. paper thin.
a possible explanation for your findings could be because your skills are more suited to middle sized ships eg. battlecruisers (higher level of bc skill, medium energy turret etc) and less on large energy turrets and heavy drones.
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2008.06.22 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Selia Rain on 22/06/2008 02:59:23
Aside from the aforementioned ship skills(BC 4 and BS 3, possibly?), the most likely reason I can think is that you have T1 heavy and T2 medium drones(over 30% damage reduction from drones). Since both harbinger and geddon get a significant chunk of dps from their drones, this could be partially where the difference lies.
Harbinger and geddon deal around 610 and 867 turret dps respectively with max skills/3x HS II.
5x Hammer II = 158 dps
5x Ogre II = 317 dps(nearly double)
5x Ogre Is will deal around 200 or so dps depending on skill levels.
EDIT: I'm assuming heavy and megapulse lazors, of course. If you are using dual heavy pulse and heavy pulse, that right there would be the issue. A DHPL 'geddon deals roughly 750 turret dps... around the same as a harbinger.
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Tomtomzz
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Posted - 2008.06.22 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tomtomzz on 22/06/2008 06:09:04
Another thing that could be affecting the DPS readouts -
Medium "Heavy" lasers (I.E. Heavy Pulse Laser I) has about the same DPS as a Large "Dual heavy" pulse laser (I.E. Dual Heavy Pulse Laser I) with few skills. You want the Armageddon to have Mega pulse lasers, then its DPS will really go up.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:20:00 -
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No, I've got the same level (3) of medium and large turret, level (3) of battlecruiser and battleship, and t1 drones in both sizes. The difference that makes the difference is probably that my Harbinger uses best named lasers but my geddon fitting just uses standard T1. However, I'm still finding myself surprised that there's so little difference in performance between these two, even optimally fit!
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Selia Rain
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Posted - 2008.06.22 07:28:00 -
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Except that the geddon will have over 100k EHP in a gank fit, and the harbinger will have 40-50k max. Harbinger will BBQ anything frigate and up though, might have trouble hitting the small stuff in a geddon. Harby is also a lot more maneuverable and agile, and thus, fun to fly.
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Gram Hellfire
Smoking Hillbillys
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:10:00 -
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Edited by: Gram Hellfire on 22/06/2008 08:10:22
Joe, my Harbinger pumps out 700 DPS. An Armageddon gets 300 more. A huge part of the difference may be drone skills. How are your heavies?
edit: I've always told you that battleships are boring.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:18:00 -
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Well Gram as you know my gunnery skills are total crap. The same drone skills apply to all my drones, so that doesn't make the difference. I have a 4 or 6 month EVEmon plan all lined up to go from noob to uber in gunnery... now enormously lengthened thanks to CCP's program of massive repeated disconnects that resulted in the loss of all my implants...
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Selia Rain
Except that the geddon will have over 100k EHP in a gank fit, and the harbinger will have 40-50k max. Harbinger will BBQ anything frigate and up though, might have trouble hitting the small stuff in a geddon. Harby is also a lot more maneuverable and agile, and thus, fun to fly.
Yeah I'm liking it a lot more, the more I get to know it.
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Falcon Troy
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:25:00 -
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Here's a factor to think about. Harbingers have become rediculously expensive. Maybe it's just in the region I bought one today but cheapest I got was 37million, however, they were going upwards of 50million. With prices like these you're better off buying an Armageddon.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.22 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
Here's a factor to think about. Harbingers have become rediculously expensive. Maybe it's just in the region I bought one today but cheapest I got was 37million, however, they were going upwards of 50million. With prices like these you're better off buying an Armageddon.
I've noticed that, too. I think the Harbinger is more expensive (insurance payout - insurance premium - sale price) than the Armageddon, though the modules may tip the balance.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:57:00 -
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Currently my Hurricane outdamages my Tempest by a significant margin, and that's with both setups using one gyrostab (although now I do two gyros on a Hurricane very often). Ofc, I do have BC V and all that jazz, and my BS skills are minmatar BS IV and large proj turret IV.
My Maelstorm / Typhoon outdamages the Hurricane naturally (partially thanks to more dronebay and standard 3x gyro on the maelstorm, and thanks to torps being awesome on the phoon)
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Gneeznow
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 01:01:00 -
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scorch geddon hits out to 55, scorch harb hits out to 25, so thats another advantage the geddon has, not to mention the 5x heavies.
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iudex
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.24 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Selia Rain
5x Hammer II = 158 dps
I wish this were true, because then my pvp cruise missile raven has ~700 dps.
Btw what's the dps on 3 sentry drones, and how do they perform against fast moving ships ?
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2008.06.24 09:26:00 -
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Ogre IIs? Meh...ECM Heavies for me.
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Galliana Foresta
Fleeting Moments of Insanity
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Xenon Star
The Armageddon will pump out over 1k dps with mega pulse II and ogre II, while still retaining a very nice buffer tank.
My 'Geddon puts out over 1k DPS with Dual Heavy Pulse II and Ogre IIs, and still retaining said buffertank, or splitting buffer/dualrep. Megapulse II is much higher, but less tanky.
'Geddon is a very versatile ship.
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.24 12:41:00 -
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geddon is very overpowered ship.
It can do 1100 DPS with skills, and costing araund 100m fittings includet.
While inshurance will get you half of that back.
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Crellion
Art of War
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:05:00 -
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Eve is full of overpowdered turrent ships :)
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Dennis Nedry
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:53:00 -
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Harbinger <3
Can't wait for a t2 Variant
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Setana Manoro
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Siddy
geddon is very overpowered ship.
It can do 1100 DPS with skills, and costing araund 100m fittings includet.
While inshurance will get you half of that back.
1250, if your going to flame it, know what you flame about.
PS: Dominix can do 1305 DPS, what do you think of that ?
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Siddy
Gay Nationalist Association of Amamake
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Siddy
geddon is very overpowered ship.
It can do 1100 DPS with skills, and costing araund 100m fittings includet.
While inshurance will get you half of that back.
1250, if your going to flame it, know what you flame about.
PS: Dominix can do 1305 DPS, what do you think of that ?
lets see, one have to fit MWD, other do not...
hmm...
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mama guru
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Setana Manoro
Originally by: Siddy
geddon is very overpowered ship.
It can do 1100 DPS with skills, and costing araund 100m fittings includet.
While inshurance will get you half of that back.
PS: Dominix can do 1305 DPS, what do you think of that ?
Please post a setup that actually does that without faction fittings and something resembling a tank. (think not 3x Ancillary current routers or an RCU II or two)
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kessah
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.06.24 14:15:00 -
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Geddon can do 1100 dps on guns np add drones easy 1300.
Harbinger at a push can do 950 dps. Mine only does 937 dps. (ofc thats with overload)
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Antodias
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:00:00 -
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I'd take a gankmega over a Geddon personally. It would be a close match, but the Mega is just cooler, admit it.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Frigateers
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Antodias
I'd take a gankmega over a Geddon personally. It would be a close match, but the Mega is just cooler, admit it.
Are you joking? Lasers are the coolest thing in EVE. Show me a megathron with some good audio/video effects and then we'll talk.
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Terianna Eri
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Geddon can do 1100 dps on guns np add drones easy 1300.
Harbinger at a push can do 950 dps. Mine only does 937 dps. (ofc thats with overload)
Will someone please point me to a setup that does 1100 gun dps?
I am looking at a setup in EFT right now, max skills, 5% RoF implant, 5% large energy turret damage implant, 7x megapulse II, with conflag of all things, and 3x t2 heatsinks.
Without drones it deals 959 dps.
With max skilled ogreIIs it deals 1275 dps.
... what am I missing?
Thanks
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:34:00 -
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Overheating?
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Terianna Eri
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Overheating?
Ah, I thought we were talking about sustained DPS.
Yes, in that case it does break 1k gun dps and does break 1.3k dps total with drones.
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Alowishus
LEGION OF DEATHADDERS
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:36:00 -
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Gotta love the people who don't mention overheating in their wild ass DPS claims. 
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