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Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:40:00 -
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Best change ever!
I was pretty excited when they removed AOE DD, going 20 jumps in a 250+ BS fleet only to instantly die because 3 titans logged in at the target system was SUPER DUPER FUN AND BALANCED.
Unfortunately, nothing changed all that much. Still doesn't matter what ships you bring or how many people, the only real difference is it's 40 titans instead of 3 and it takes a bit longer for everyone to die.
When they get around to the full revamp I'm sure they'll reduce the cost a bit so you can stop crying that the cost justifies being unbalanced. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 19:43:00 -
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Carl Albanit wrote:CCP is making a 100b Ship worst than a 3b Ship....
Seems Legit
*tactical facepalm*
hahahahaha, I would LOVE to see your dread solo a titan. You should read about these http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ship_Equipment:Turrets_&_Bays:Doomsday_Devices |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:32:00 -
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Lelob wrote:Innominate wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:So again, what beats 1200 dudes A better question is, why should 100 dudes be able to beat those 1200 dudes without any serious risk to themselves? Why can't out of 1200 dudes, 200 can't get into dreads and pwn 100 dudes? c wut i did thar
Because you are ******** and don't know what a doomsday is. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:35:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Khadmos wrote:Lelob wrote:Innominate wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:So again, what beats 1200 dudes A better question is, why should 100 dudes be able to beat those 1200 dudes without any serious risk to themselves? Why can't out of 1200 dudes, 200 can't get into dreads and pwn 100 dudes? c wut i did thar Because you are ******** and don't know what a doomsday is. It only takes 2 tank mods to stand up to a DD, but please, go on calling other people names when you don't understand the game mechanics
Good to know that PL only fits 1 titan with a DD per fleet. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:42:00 -
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Dez Affinity wrote:Khadmos wrote:Lelob wrote:Innominate wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:So again, what beats 1200 dudes A better question is, why should 100 dudes be able to beat those 1200 dudes without any serious risk to themselves? Why can't out of 1200 dudes, 200 can't get into dreads and pwn 100 dudes? c wut i did thar Because you are ******** and don't know what a doomsday is. Look at this Fatal Acension guy thinking that losing dreads to kill super(s) is the worst thing ever.
Look at this PL guy thinking that dreads can kill a single titan in a titan fleet. How cute. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:44:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote: No, no it wouldn't, you've banded together because you lack the means to stand alone, and that horde mentality was threatened by something, so you've reacted to it by crying until that stop was removed from the game.
Truly, I hope to one day be in a mighty alliance like PL that stands on it's own and never fights along side anyone (except whoever they are currently fighting along side, they don't count). |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.13 22:41:00 -
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Acwron wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Hi everyone,
We're not happy with...... LOL You just started so very wrong ! You are not happy ?! ?!? You are supposed to be happy only if WE are happy ! Because we pay you, not the other way around ! Jesus, fire this guy, fast ! CCP Greyscale, no disrespect but please, go find a job where you could be useful.
You are so right. They should give every player a titan, that would make us all happy. Stupid CCP, has no idea how to make a game and keep player interest. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 15:29:00 -
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Roime wrote:
What about the claim I've seen that dreads can also counter titans?
That's theory crafting BS. Look at it this way, one DD and a dread is almost dead, regular guns will finish it off fast. A dread fleet going up against titans is a suicide fleet. The CFC tried it, lost something like 36 dreads to kill 1 titan and I think the titan only died because it was bumped or something. In the end lost over 250bil in ships and destroyed 80-90bil. Oh and I'm pretty sure failed to defend/destroy their objective.
Roime wrote:
And about titan tracking (current version) - can they track for example BCs that are in close orbit?
My Talos one-shots moving frigates at 40km, but can't touch them if they get close- this is balanced. How is it with titan guns?
You orbit one titan at 20km and his buddy sitting 60km away blaps you when you have 0 traversal. A titan is not imbalanced, one titan is not a problem. The problem is titans, 20+ in a fleet all spread out with 20 DD's to nearly instagib the first 20 dreads that land on the field. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:00:00 -
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BioZvin wrote:baltec1 wrote:BioZvin wrote:
So wait a ship is invalidated when it cannot do anything against another one ?
Welcome to all subcaps and carriers/dreads lives over the last year. I have seen more then one Titan go down to sub caps, you are right you cannot take down a big group of supers without bringing some firepower yourself.. But as the NC war showed us NC took down quite a few titans with sub caps alone. A few WN ones comes to mind, and at the time we had more titans in the coalition then RDN has now. POST last nerf
I'm sure those titans were in a fleet of 20+ other titans as well? |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 19:54:00 -
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If this is such a horrible nerf, why isn't PL selling their titans?
I see a **** load of buyers in the buy/sell forum but no confirmed sales yet.
Either PL isn't actually selling their titans because they know they are still over powered or they are idiots and actually selling them to droves of people who know they are still over powered.
It's pretty obvious that all this whining is just an attempt to keep them as ridiculous as they are now. |
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Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:13:00 -
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Dear Rainden. and NC alts,
You do realize that CCP knows what your main accounts are, right?
Trying to make it look like the high sec masses have a problem with titans being nerfed isn't going to work.
CCP isn't blind, they know how big the fleets are when there are fleet fights and they know how many are on each side. Your attempts to claim that goons are the only ones who want this, because of there numbers, aren't going to fool anybody.
FA is about the same size as raiden and we have fielded more ships than the goons on several ops now. We've also been out numbered by raiden, NC and co. and then only lost when 40 titans were dropped on the field because we were winning.
You aren't going to fool anybody. You abused titans, you bragged about it and now they are being nerfed.
I really hope you aren't surprised when nobody takes pity on you. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 20:33:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:btw Titan need an out of context fix and tech does not ?
Pretty much the entire CFC is calling for nerfs to tech and income generated by actually having people use systems. I believe this is something mittens mentioned in his current CSM campaign. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:51:00 -
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Shadoo wrote:Oh lord, why has this thread degenerated into some sort of :BLOOOOOOBS: discussion...
No ship in eve should stop a large fleet on its tracks, get over it and stop being ********. No ship in a game should be even designed as such because all it would do is people who like to push boundaries to simply gather as many of them as possible into an unstopable force.
That's not good for the game. Titans are overpowered when used in large numbers because they scale exponentially better than any other ship in this game.
Yes, they cost a lot of isk and require a lot of SP -- but that's not an excuse for them to be massively overpowered when used in numbers.
Now -- I *do* believe that something fundemental needs to be done in this game to combat the ever escalating numbers used in combat and that applies to ANY type of ship. I sincerely believe the time of the sandbox has come to an end in some respects, and we not only need a diminishing returns system for damage applied and we need to have shield/armor transfered from logistics ships applied with similar diminishing returns.
But people... A thread about Titans is not the place to have this discussion.
I once swore (3.5years ago or so, someone eve-search the post) that I would ABUSE the AOE DD to its greatest extend until it got changed. And it did. I'm fairly sure I said ~8 months ago on another site I'd do the same with tracking titans, and I believe that we have.
I'm happy therefore the ship is getting attention, but I am very disapointed we STILL lack the FINAL solution to bring this "end game" ship to a role which is UNIQUE, USEFUL for the alliance/corp/gang as a whole and WORTHY of investing a lot of money, time and effort for getting into.
Reducing tracking/increasing locking will solve nothing. Only a change out of the combat role completely will do this. It''s NOT ENOUGH to tweak it.
Hopefully CCP will look at the 100+ pages of discussion generated and realize this IS a ship which is important, and it IS important to bring it to a proper, well thoughtout change in role with the effort and resources devoded to it which match those of the pilors who aspire to fly them.
Well said. I agree completely. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.14 21:52:00 -
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FeLiZk wrote:Shadoo, I could not agree more I am raging because of the way this is being done.
You agree that titans need to be nerfed MORE? I'm pretty sure that goes against everything you've said so far. |
Khadmos
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.15 19:35:00 -
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No posts for 9 minutes? This thread is really losing speed.
I was hoping we'd find out what the posts per thread limit is on these forums. I was betting on INT_MAX but I guess we'll never know now.
Next time CCP, announce each change in the nerf 1 week apart, could have kept the speed up on this thing a lot longer. |
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