every time i met Tengu, i got killed. what kind of ship can fight Tengu? Even it's tech 3 cruiser, it still is a Cruiser. This bloody Cruiser broken the balance of this game. it can fight most ships but capital ships.

XL turrets can hit MWD'ing BC's now? Even with high tranversal? Things have changed if so.

if Tengu shows up, someone get killed.

Anything with webs and neuts will do really. They got good tanks but anything can be taken down, there are ships I fear far more then the Tengu tbh.

Anything with webs and neuts will do really. They got good tanks but anything can be taken down, there are ships I fear far more then the Tengu tbh.

On thew contrary they are use to counter capitals,. XL turrets have a hell of a time hitting AB tengu's.

The same can't be said for a MWDing Drake.

Double Web armor loki will eat your ubber Tengu by 2, provided of course the guy knows what he's doing.
Secondly the myth of "easy tengu subs lvl1 rocks all eve" is a myth by definition, let me invite you to train for it, use it and then come back say exactly the same stuff.

Tengu is easy to counter:
HAM's? 1 heavy neut cycle = no more hardeners = no more tank = tengu dead
HM's little bit more tricky to get it but if he's above 40/50km witch is max point range with officer stuff in a tengu, all you need is a rapier double web or loki double web and faction point, orbit shoot, loot and smack in local.

Now if you expect to point a full trained tengu pilot pvp experienced with a decent T2 fit, with your rifter and gtfo easily then you're kidding yourself. It's a T3 cruiser guy, his effectiveness is proportional to the extreme of it's fit/Skills, well except proteus brick, just good at gates once again of shoot mining barges, heavy tackle. (Deimos does same for cheaper)

Don't watch KBs much eh?

Theyre not OP, just need to know how to counter them.

Sure. A group of ships can take out a Tengu. Fantastic.

But ideally EvE is a game of paper-rock-scissors. Is there one ship in the cruiser class, or even the BC class, that can take a 100mnAB Tengu solo? Reliably. Not "well if he starts in perfect range with specific ammo loaded". I mean a ship where in just about every situation it stands a good chance of beating a Tengu. If that doesn't exist then odds are the Tengu is overpowered.

You shouldn't need 30 rocks to beat one scissor. Doesn't matter if the scissors costs 100 times all the rocks together. If we go that route it just becomes "pay-to-win". And last I checked, we weren't to keen on that. (See fears/complaints about NEXUS store etc.)

And for full-disclosure, I am in the process of getting a Tengu.

Oh I'm sorry, you were within 70 Kilometres of me, I just brawled you to death

(You can also roll with a Dual Rep set up which will tank a Tengus with HMs and 5 Launchers Fairly Easily)

Sure. A group of ships can take out a Tengu. Fantastic.

But ideally EvE is a game of paper-rock-scissors. Is there one ship in the cruiser class, or even the BC class, that can take a 100mnAB Tengu solo? Reliably. Not "well if he starts in perfect range with specific ammo loaded". I mean a ship where in just about every situation it stands a good chance of beating a Tengu. If that doesn't exist then odds are the Tengu is overpowered.

Sounds like all the butthurt is about a specific type of Tengu fit, as opposed to the Tengu in general.

The solution is obvious. Class-restrict afterburners, or restrict the Tengu sub-system bonuses to 10mn ABs only.

Problem solved.