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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:30:00 -
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We see alliances crumble and fold without much resistance once assailed weekly, what we don't see is alliances pre-empting their own downfall by merging with another alliance in a similar situation. Why is this?
An example would be Ka-Tet and Mostly Harmless, surely they must've seen the writing on the wall.
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Blitz'Krieg
SkyMarshal Logistics
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:42:00 -
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because of often the same thing that MADE them fall. Ego.
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Arachnophena
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Posted - 2008.06.23 00:43:00 -
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in katets case it probably had more to due with the fact taht mostly harmless was going to invade them in a few weeks. one of the main reasons the russians pulled teh trigger was they werent going to let mostly harmless have the moons and space.
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Torrence Osti
A.W.M
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:19:00 -
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ka-tet was doomed after we left 
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:26:00 -
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Edited by: Moon Kitten on 23/06/2008 02:26:15 BoB is a good example of mergers of failed alliances.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:35:00 -
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It's either Ego, Lust for Power, or the choice of Mergers would be a bad idea and really be bad for the players.
An example of what I mean:
Small alliance gets raped, they want to merge into another alliance that's bigger. Bigger alliance says sure - but, they won't have equal accesses/rights like all their existing members + have to pay extra taxes. Small alliance tells the bigger alliance to go F themselves, they'd rather retreat to High Sec then agree to such terms. ____________________
"All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu |

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 02:47:00 -
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SMASH and roadkill have (had?) the right idea. Two alliances working together very closely to reach a common goal, sure I bet they have flare ups like most alliances from time to time, but they always seem to come out on top. Respect to both of these groups for doing it the way they do.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Lumen Atra
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lumen Atra on 23/06/2008 03:26:10
Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem SMASH and roadkill have (had?) the right idea. Two alliances working together very closely to reach a common goal, sure I bet they have flare ups like most alliances from time to time, but they always seem to come out on top. Respect to both of these groups for doing it the way they do.
Alt or ignorant, you folks at home be the judge.
Question is, why would a successful alliance want to consume an alliance that can't even keep itself together? You might as well just inject yourself with Ebola.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem SMASH and roadkill have (had?) the right idea. Two alliances working together very closely to reach a common goal, sure I bet they have flare ups like most alliances from time to time, but they always seem to come out on top. Respect to both of these groups for doing it the way they do.
That's one thing that people like to rub in but that fact that the drone region has been fun for that last year is that the alliances did as they wished and didn't care about who they p*ssed on.
That's the way people should play the game, not playing B*tch to some of the bigger alliances like RA *cough*Goons*cough*
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:52:00 -
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Yup I agree.
It's because of this that RA and Goons are conquering the map. They better add some more 0.0 systems or its not looking good.
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Dramatic Statement
Southern Dandies Drama Society
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Posted - 2008.06.23 03:57:00 -
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Man... does anyone else remember when goons used to be all about the ruckus for the sake of ruckus?
Now, it's all poppin' mission boats in Jita and snorfling RA.
You'd think they'd get wise to the fact that everyone who was their friends in the south are slowly being replaced. Would have been cool to watch them throw in with Ka-Tet and let Eden burn.
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Ackaroth
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Dramatic Statement ...with Ka-Tet and let Eden burn.
Did someone say Burn Eden?! ___________________
Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498 |

Shinigami
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:02:00 -
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Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
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pershphanie
CyberDyne Industries Carpe Universitas
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron We see alliances crumble and fold without much resistance once assailed weekly, what we don't see is alliances pre-empting their own downfall by merging with another alliance in a similar situation. Why is this?
An example would be Ka-Tet and Mostly Harmless, surely they must've seen the writing on the wall.
Generally speaking every 100man alliance or 10 man corp thinks they are the most important thing that's ever existence. A merger would interfere with both their delusional egos and prolonged irrelevance.
In the case of Ka-tet this is what happens when you feel your pvpers aren't an important part of your organization. |

Tatoed Goat
I like Goats
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
Damn you, I was just about to say that and then I saw your post. I feel so depressed now I'm going to take my emorage out on EVE and join Failswarm. ----------------------------------------------- Goons or Ebola... I'll take Ebola over Noob Ship Online. |

Dramatic Statement
Southern Dandies Drama Society
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:10:00 -
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Quote: Did someone say Burn Eden?!
Well, I did say 'let Eden burn' as opposed to 'Burn Eden' but I would say both are fairly similar in concept.
And far, far different than 'goonies giving Omeega the slap and tickle on a daily basis so he won't steal their moons'. Bringing a little class to the Dirty South. |

duckmonster
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
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Cryztall
Red Ballz
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Posted - 2008.06.23 04:57:00 -
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You have any idea whats really going on in 0.0 it is not all about Red Alliance and Goons
Lots of other groups are in 0.0 ,
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
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Ackaroth
D00M.
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Posted - 2008.06.23 05:05:00 -
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Above me
a guy
linked the
influence map.
Fun stuff.
Ding Ding USN Ackaroth signing out. ___________________
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Kyrie Elaison
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.23 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
Is this really a road you want to travel? Arghy is the one true God and Dungar is His prophet. |

Martin VanBuren
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.23 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
/signed
Martin 'Van' Buren
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Techali
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.23 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami Goonswarm is a good example of mergers of failed people.
We sit all day waiting for some corporation to invade us, since it seems that's the only way we'll get large fleet fights. If we fail so much, come take our space, it shouldn't be hard I'm sure.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Blitz'Krieg because of often the same thing that MADE them fall. Ego.
deserves a 'qft' ----------
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.06.23 11:32:00 -
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tbh its down to something simple called EGO...and the feeling of failure, rather close than merge
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Gallager
GALAXIAN Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Gallager on 23/06/2008 12:42:21
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Wendat Huron We see alliances crumble and fold without much resistance once assailed weekly, what we don't see is alliances pre-empting their own downfall by merging with another alliance in a similar situation. Why is this?
An example would be Ka-Tet and Mostly Harmless, surely they must've seen the writing on the wall.
Generally speaking every 100man alliance or 10 man corp thinks they are the most important thing that's ever existence. A merger would interfere with both their delusional egos and prolonged irrelevance.
In the case of Ka-tet this is what happens when you feel your pvpers aren't an important part of your organization.
QFT - A problem you have is that most alliances don't want to take in another 6-15 corps as it just becomes unmanageable. You don't want people bringing in their dead weight into a system you have that is working or close to working. The ideal situation for the alliance that would accept a merger of a struggling alliance would be that the alliance in question merge into one (perfect world) or two corps and then join the alliance in question.
Unfortunately, as mentioned earlier, the large ego of the average EVE player tends to get in the way of things like this happening and unlike the real world, there is no way to force a 'hostile takeover' of a corp that would grant you all of its members. I'm sad to say that it is my fellow Americans that seem to be the worst offenders of thinking their corps are the greatest in the game and that they would never merge. Most people just seem to be happy with their mediocre existences in this game and don't want to do something memorable.
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SunglassesInSpace
SPACE DUDES
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cryztall
You have any idea whats really going on in 0.0 it is not all about Red Alliance and Goons
Lots of other groups are in 0.0 ,
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
It is when you're part of the smashkill forum squad, charged with trying to get support.
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Banlish
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Wendat Huron We see alliances crumble and fold without much resistance once assailed weekly, what we don't see is alliances pre-empting their own downfall by merging with another alliance in a similar situation. Why is this?
An example would be Ka-Tet and Mostly Harmless, surely they must've seen the writing on the wall.
Generally speaking every 100man alliance or 10 man corp thinks they are the most important thing that's ever existence. A merger would interfere with both their delusional egos and prolonged irrelevance.
This.
EVE has moved out of the colonial age and into the Imperialism age. Small factions cannot survive and big corps will be the ones that dictate alot of what will happen in any space worth fighting over. low sec, npc 0.0 and true 0.0.
It's so hard to make corps understand that they lose nothing but a ticker and a chat when they merge. But once they do they can accomplish so much more. The thing is people are indeed driven by ego or think that joining a larger group will kill their 'identity'.
I mean you look at the top alliances in the game and most of them are made up of small number of very large corps. But obviously that is meaningless. Not like BoB, RA, Razor, IRON or AAA have accomplished anything year after year. Nope, not at all. These 400 man alliances with 40 corps will truely be the new wave of power in EVE...
The time for ultra tiny factions and simple regional control is pretty much over. You don't get standings with one of the big boys and your space/outpost is 'annexed'. It's not a personal thing, it's politics and kinda the way the game should be expected to go. When people make large empires (and there's been alot of work making them here in EVE) they want to protect them just like anywhere else in reality.
You'll have a wave of people realize this shortly and hopefully clear out some of the swarms of 100 man alliances and 10 man corps making some of the larger and more organized corps reach into the 500's and 600's. Then we might see some more interesting battles and conflicts against some of the already established land owners.
When people realize that a ticker and a chat with their 2 buddies isn't as important as being part of a large team/organization. Then you start getting into the right mindset, currently, for owning/operating space in 0.0.
Atlas Head Diplomat CEO - Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Leeme Lone
x13 X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Moon Kitten Edited by: Moon Kitten on 23/06/2008 02:26:15 BoB is a good example of mergers of failed alliances.
i guess thats why they still hold Delve :)
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Swirler
Shadows of the Dead
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Posted - 2008.06.23 14:56:00 -
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Because, there is no one left to merge with, BoB or Goons killed every other worthy alliance left in the game. Enjoy! " You will pay the price for your lack of vision." - Emperor Palpatine.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.23 15:24:00 -
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Alliances fail because of poor leadership. 2 poorly run alliances can merge, but only to form 1 larger failure.
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