While our skill queue is convient and allows us to plan 24 hours in advance... it causes problems when your training that one skill to get to an another skill.

I propose that we be premitted to "inject a skill + add to queue" into the queue if we are going to qualify for that skill within the 24 hour window.

For example -

You have to train Weapon Upgrades V to get to Advanced Weapon Upgrades.

I want to start training "AWU" to I immedately after V as I would qualify for preqs.



Pros: For those who like to get their ducks in a row... this is a great thing to have.

Cons: wha? What cons?


Penality?? : Skill "vaporizes" if you remove it before you qualify for it.

Comemnts? Questions? Ideas?


Thanks.

Since most level 1 skills take a short time to train (under an hour), the benefit gained by adding it to the queue before prereqs are done is minimal. What I do is add a super-long skill on the end of the prereq (my current super-long skill is Caldari BS V, for example), and once the prereq is done, I just inject and start training the new skill, and move on with my skillplan.

Also, EVE-Mon is great.

What, you've never had to scramble around to find a BS skill you don't particularly want just to fill time between a prereq finishing and you being able to get on to start the skill you actually want?

Waht does EVE Mon have to do with this? EVE Mon doesnt allow you to change skills at will. Having to plan for something a game mechanic denies when in fact its perfectly reasonable legit isn't much to ask for. This is one easily sovled frustratino that shouldn't be a frustration in the first place. Don't get me wrong...what your saying make sense... but its uncessary trouble for a simple fix.

EVEMon is what can be used to plan your skills to avoid the frustration.

Personally, I've encountered this situation before - but it doesn't frustrate me. I just move on. I think that this solution, while simple at first look, is actually rather complex, open to exploits, and also too much programming work for comparitively little gain.

Hard to counteract my proposed penalty of "skill book vaproizes"

I don't even particularly like that penalty. Can anyone give a good reason for us to NOT be able to inject skills before we have the prerequisites?

I don't even particularly like that penalty. Can anyone give a good reason for us to NOT be able to inject skills before we have the prerequisites?

a filler skill that will get trained for a few hours until I can log in and inject/train the skill I'm really after.

I would argue that you shoudl be able to put any skill into your toon.

You just cant skill it past 0 unless you have skill to.

It sux carrying holding skill books for weeks waiting / waiting / waiting to use them.

Then you finally fly back to where your skill books are - inject them and off you go again.
-That is the pain.

If you already had it in your skills but at level 0 - problem solved.

Actually, prereq checks ARE done in the queue when you change it. you can't move say Cruider 5 up and above Cruiser 4 for instance.

There's not much CPU requirements to test this really.

I don't even particularly like that penalty. Can anyone give a good reason for us to NOT be able to inject skills before we have the prerequisites?

I would argue that you shoudl be able to put any skill into your toon.

You just cant skill it past 0 unless you have skill to.

It sux carrying holding skill books for weeks waiting / waiting / waiting to use them.

Then you finally fly back to where your skill books are - inject them and off you go again.
-That is the pain.

If you already had it in your skills but at level 0 - problem solved.

Not sure which way is better, but one possible "Con" to allowing infinite injection of skills where pre-req's have not yet been trained:

Would this damage the current "skill book transport / selling to nullsec" trade mechanic? (not sure how extensively this mechanic is used, but some people may thrive on it).

Sure would make things easier tho ... before sending your characters to deep null or WH space, just buy and inject all the skills you might need .... certainly adds to the risk and excitement factor tho, when you have to transport those expensive cap ship skills through dangerous territory!

+1 for support of being able to add skills to the 24 hr queue, if the prereq's are already in the queue. The current limitation is very frustrating (tho not game breaking) ... just another of the 1,000 papercuts to die from.

Here is a practical reason why this will not work.-á
Allowing injecting of skills at 0 level without a prerequisite check will cause undue burden on the servers.-á
Why? Because this will mean prerequisite checks will need to be done every time you rearrange your training queue. -áCurrently these are done only on skill injection. Not only this, but a prereq check on a proposed training queue is more complicated due to dependancy checks on whether a given prereq is finished before a 0 skill is started. This means a lot more prereq checks done on the server, and each one is more complicated.-á

Checks done on injection means that skill queue submission ( pause, apply ) is a simple update operation on the server, as you can only manipulate skills you can train in the queue editor.-á

So as much as this would be a "nice to have" feature, it's unlikely to be done just to appease a few folks.-á

While I definitely see the benefit of injecting the skill before you can train it, I think there is another aspect to this.

There is a value added to having a skillbook when you need to train it. Associated with this, is the danger in transporting a skillbook. If you can instantly inject it, you can bypass all of this danger and negate much of the added value. Truth be told, I think that the few hours you might be saving by injecting the skillbook are negligible to the danger and opportunity costs of transporting a skillbook until you can use it.

The only way I would support this, is if a mechanic existed such that any player that gets podded with an untrained injected skill permanently loses that skill.

I agree with Zagam. This falls into the "that would be nice" category for the 2-3 times a year that it becomes an issue, if it ever is at all. If it takes anyone at CCP more than 5 minutes to code and implement this, they're wasting time that could be used to fix truly game breaking bugs.

While I definitely see the benefit of injecting the skill before you can train it, I think there is another aspect to this.

There is a value added to having a skillbook when you need to train it. Associated with this, is the danger in transporting a skillbook. If you can instantly inject it, you can bypass all of this danger and negate much of the added value. Truth be told, I think that the few hours you might be saving by injecting the skillbook are negligible to the danger and opportunity costs of transporting a skillbook until you can use it.

The only way I would support this, is if a mechanic existed such that any player that gets podded with an untrained injected skill permanently loses that skill.

yeah, the only check done on the client because it requires no database lookup.




Its db lookup that is the bottleneck, not cpu. You rearrange skill queues a lot more than you try to inject skills. That translates to a lot more db lookups. If you don't design software systems, you wouldn't understand.

The proposal makes perfect sense.