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Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:03:00 - [31] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 25/06/2008 07:09:18 Originally by: Becq Starforged If you care about a series of lifeless worlds with some orbital rocks around them, then I congradulate you on your achievement. someone needs to read his star charts better. and lets not forget you are not actually taking any planets from the Amarr, nor effecting their local governance. Concord has laid a ban against such. You are destroying assets, nothing more. that is not to say you aren't being successful in your asset destruction, but over all this concord managed mico-warfare is insignificant. edit: I should add I'm not trying to belittle your drive, your skill or your success in these small battles. i'm just saying you aren't doing much and that Concord is to blame. perhaps in time Concord will fail and we can see about some real warfare. until then if you want to cause hurt you know where to go.
Michael Bross Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 07:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss someone needs to read his star charts better. and lets not forget you are not actually taking any planets from the Amarr, nor effecting their local governance. Concord has laid a ban against such. You are destroying assets, nothing more. that is not to say you aren't being successful in your asset destruction, but over all this concord managed mico-warfare is insignificant. The War Powers provision of the CONCORD Charter authorizes the "immediate and unconditional formation of capsuleer militias among the nation-state members of the CONCORD Assembly for the purpose of waging uncontested war within the boundaries of Empire space." According to Charter experts, the founders added the emergency provision as a means of absolving CONCORD of any obligation to interfere with combat between nation-states, an act that protects the DED more than anything else. Maybe somebody should stop worrying about star charts and start re-reading his CONCORD announcements.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.25 08:46:00 - [33] You nailed it right on the head, brother Bross. Concord protects itself with this waract. The Tribal Liberation Force has allready made planetary landings in all conquered Amarr systems to free slaves from their owners. It is not called a Liberation Force for nothing. Concord was nowhere to be seen. RB
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Michael Bross Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss someone needs to read his star charts better. and lets not forget you are not actually taking any planets from the Amarr, nor effecting their local governance. Concord has laid a ban against such. You are destroying assets, nothing more. that is not to say you aren't being successful in your asset destruction, but over all this concord managed mico-warfare is insignificant. The War Powers provision of the CONCORD Charter authorizes the "immediate and unconditional formation of capsuleer militias among the nation-state members of the CONCORD Assembly for the purpose of waging uncontested war within the boundaries of Empire space." According to Charter experts, the founders added the emergency provision as a means of absolving CONCORD of any obligation to interfere with combat between nation-states, an act that protects the DED more than anything else. Maybe somebody should stop worrying about star charts and start re-reading his CONCORD announcements. So when exactly will you be placing the Amarrian stations in the systems that you've "captured" under Republic control? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Rodj Blake So when exactly will you be placing the Amarrian stations in the systems that you've "captured" under Republic control? As soon as our paper pushers convince the Republic's paper pushers to grant the funds. We should start by shutting off that mind-numbing taped chanting you hear there.
Redbad TSL Wolfpack	Posted - 2008.06.25 10:46:00 - [36] Again honourable Blake: Originally by: Redbad There is a fine thin line between attacking the Empire and freeing our People. I'm sure many Amarrians and their allies fail to see that line, due to zealotry or personal grief. Make no mistake; The Empire feels the attacks because they hold our People, no more, no less. There is no need to take over the stations .... yet. RB
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 11:04:00 - [37] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Let's let lasers do the talking, Bliss. ... and they never heard from the Amarr again. That's what this war is missing, lasers. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Conlin Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:10:00 - [38] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Michael Bross Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss someone needs to read his star charts better. and lets not forget you are not actually taking any planets from the Amarr, nor effecting their local governance. Concord has laid a ban against such. You are destroying assets, nothing more. that is not to say you aren't being successful in your asset destruction, but over all this concord managed mico-warfare is insignificant. The War Powers provision of the CONCORD Charter authorizes the "immediate and unconditional formation of capsuleer militias among the nation-state members of the CONCORD Assembly for the purpose of waging uncontested war within the boundaries of Empire space." According to Charter experts, the founders added the emergency provision as a means of absolving CONCORD of any obligation to interfere with combat between nation-states, an act that protects the DED more than anything else. Maybe somebody should stop worrying about star charts and start re-reading his CONCORD announcements. So when exactly will you be placing the Amarrian stations in the systems that you've "captured" under Republic control? So when exactly will you stop avoiding the question ? , after all you cant criticise roddy if you cant back that mouth of yours up
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Conlin So when exactly will you stop avoiding the question ? , after all you cant criticise roddy if you cant back that mouth of yours up If you have any questions, feel free to ask them in a cogent manner and I'll be sure to answer them. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rianharte Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.25 12:46:00 - [40] Originally by: Conlin In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?. To remove UK? Sorry i thought you had Evoke with a Titan there to help you along with and various other mercs. So dont start spouting that it took some many people to remove you form 9uy providence.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:10:00 - [41] Can we make a rule that whenever Providence is mentioned in a political discussion in connection to people not currently in Providence, the one mentioning it will be considered as immediately having lost the debate? Kind of like throwing child's play in a game of triples? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 13:53:00 - [42] Originally by: Rianharte Originally by: Conlin In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?. To remove UK? Sorry i thought you had Evoke with a Titan there to help you along with and various other mercs. So dont start spouting that it took some many people to remove you form 9uy providence. When Evoke had a Titan there I think you'll find that CVA went precisely nowhere. Unless of course you're claiming that when Outbreak and Evoke were around CVA were able to defeat them and U'K... in which case I eagerly look forward to seeing their responses to you. Other amusing thing, whilst some of those there were indeed mercs, they came because they wanted to shoot you, not because they were paid in any shape or form. I believe one of them stated, 'the payment will be shooting them'. But go on, please keep believing you were able to beat us when we had allies with us... or you could go back and stop trying to rewrite history.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 14:17:00 - [43] Edited by: Xennith on 25/06/2008 14:20:37 forget it, lets talk about providence for a while, we havent done that for a few minutes We come for our people
Conlin Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 17:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 25/06/2008 12:27:51 Originally by: Conlin So when exactly will you stop avoiding the question ? , after all you cant criticise roddy if you cant back that mouth of yours up If you have any cogent questions, feel free to ask them in an intelligible manner and I'll be sure to answer them. I,m sorry roddy , I made it as intelligble as possible for you , but you must have problems trying to counter the question . I,II not confuse you any further , you may continue at your leisure .
Chungito Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 00:28:00 - [45] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Can we make a rule that whenever Providence is mentioned in a political discussion in connection to people not currently in Providence, the one mentioning it will be considered as immediately having lost the debate? Kind of like throwing child's play in a game of triples? Sounds Like good rule to me.
Sykosys Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 13:00:00 - [46] Edited by: Sykosys on 26/06/2008 13:02:08 All this talk I will let my weapons do the talking enough of this banter!! Our Minmatar brothers and sisters will be freed from their amarrian slave masters. I will die many times, but in the end their freedom is all that matters.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.26 18:39:00 - [47] Well, this thread has taken on a messy life of its own this last week, far from the original purpose. I believe that was to call into question the allegiance of Ushra'Khan simply because... they are a formalised alliance? Am I reading this drivel correctly? Lets take a look. Originally by: Armaan Edited by: Armaan on 23/06/2008 22:40:04 Creating an alliance means that you have a political objective separate from other alliances or entities. Ushra'Khan is a well known entity whose intentions are almost parallel to the Minmatar RepublicÆs. Once again, I repeat, almost. Their leadershipÆs inability to remove egos from the equation has left UKÆs legacy as a group which is interested only in the destruction of their old nemesis, the CVA. Hence, UKÆs unwillingness to let go their political alliance is proof that they are illegitimately claiming to fight for the RepublicÆs behalf. We all know that the CVA are a just a horde of filthy zombies who will blindly follow their prententious God's will for profiteering purposes. I expect UK to be more righteous. If UK truely believes in what the Minmatar Republic is trying to achieve, it should temporarily cease to exist while the Republic is actively at war with the Amarr scum and join the Tribal Liberation Force. Gone are the days of UK claiming sovereignty. Time to fight the Minmatar way for the time being. Brothers, there is no need for the shackle yourself to an alliance name in this war. Free yourselves! Ohh my where to begin here... First of all by saying (as anyone not blind can see) that I am not an Ushra'Khan representative anymore. I am also not a member of Electus Matari and have not been for a while now. I have my own aims and goals alongside Zoolkhan these days. With that said, Intaki, understand this. I am Ushra'Khan. I am Electus Matari I am also Brutor. I am, first and foremost, Shakor. I am many things because that is what it is to be Minmatar. I don't expect an Intaki to understand this so I won't hold this against you. But you should realise that in their very essence, Ushra'Khan are Minmatars. Keep that in mind as I pile through your claims. Creating an alliance means that you have a political objective separate from other alliances or entities. unwillingness to let go their political alliance illegitimately claiming to fight for the RepublicÆs behalf. Where do you get that idea? Why does this line of political objective start only at alliance formation? Why not corporation formation too? You have not said a thing of them, and yet Ushra'Khan seem to be taking heat from people who know nothing about the Minmatar way who claim them alone to be somehow pretending to assist the militia. Their leadershipÆs inability to remove egos from the equation has left UKÆs legacy as a group which is interested only in the destruction of their old nemesis, the CVA. I think here I see where you are getting confused. As though the entity Ushra'Khan was created only as a convenience to both claim space and fight the CVA. And now that goal faltered it has run its course. I cannot speak for Ushra'Khan on that last part, but I can tell you that Ushra'Khan was not simply created with that one goal in mind. It was formed because it needed to exist to fight the Amarr, and gave fellow freedom fighters a place to rally. should temporarily cease to exist while the Republic is actively at war with the Amarr scum This follows on from the last bit I think. Ushra'Khan was fighting the Amarr slavers long before the militias were formed, and long before the current de facto state of war that now exists. What you ask them to do is to errase their identity simply to follow the government's and CONCORD's rules on militia signing that do not include formal alliance. Something Ushra'Khan has been since CONCORD recognised them as an official body.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.26 18:39:00 - [48] (Cont..) I have also seen the likes of Outbreak spouting the same kinds of things, claiming that since Ushra'Khan do not disband and individually join the militia they are somehow disloyal or pretending. This, by the way, is the group that destroyed a Republic Fleet task force headed by Karishal Muritor himself before his days leading the Defiants. Now claiming to be some kind of bastion of what it is to be Minmatar and defend them. I am afraid it seems you too have swallowed their nonsensical ramblings while remaining ignorant of historical facts. The militia itself, many of the corporations and individuals within it and 0utbreak themselves have a long way to go to match what the Ushra'Khan has done in the past in the name of freedom. Anyone questioning them is either ignorant of the past, or a simple propagandist looking to smear them again. The basic matter of fact is that being an alliance does not make you non-aligned. Electus Matari have long been a pro-Republic organisation. Would you claim they too were pretenders because they formed an alliance, or apply your flawed logic of them wanting to create a goal other than that of the Republic? I think not. The same applies to the Ushra'Khan. And asking them to disband would be asking them to remove a part of their identity, and a part of my past. If you think they should be in the militia, campaign against CONCORD and the Republic Government to permit alliances into their fold. Otherwise Armaan you are venting in the wrong and unproductive direction. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
Daziel Iaar PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.26 19:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Sapphrine But go on, please keep believing you were able to beat us when we had allies with us... or you could go back and stop trying to rewrite history. History is written by the victors. "His Will Be Done"
Sinia Shadow Council	Posted - 2008.06.26 20:16:00 - [50] Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?. CVA, PIE, VV, AM, -7- vs UK, Outbreak, Evoke, The Establisment, Chaos Incarnate, The Star Fraction, The Littlest Hobos, Malachai Fa'an, Electus Matari I believe I am right in saying Sylph also joined the CVA side towards the end of the fighting as your allies kept shooting at them while basing out of Unity Station? I think I covered everyone? This communication is now officially derailed.
Paddington Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Sinia Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?. CVA, PIE, VV, AM, -7- vs UK, Outbreak, Evoke, The Establisment, Chaos Incarnate, The Star Fraction, The Littlest Hobos, Malachai Fa'an, Electus Matari I believe I am right in saying Sylph also joined the CVA side towards the end of the fighting as your allies kept shooting at them while basing out of Unity Station? I think I covered everyone? This communication is now officially derailed. yer try adding paxton federation, liberatus ( something or another based behind paxton) slammers republic and many more smaller but numerous CVA pet corps.
Darius Shakor Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.06.26 22:55:00 - [52] Brothers, it does not matter any more. Don't entertain this nonsense from naysayers viewing the world from the safety of the sidelines anymore. ------ Mirkur Draug'Tyr :: Recruitment
El Torrent Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.27 08:27:00 - [53] Edited by: El Torrent on 27/06/2008 08:27:48 Originally by: Paddington yer try adding paxton federation, liberatus ( something or another based behind paxton) slammers republic and many more smaller but numerous CVA pet corps. edit* and iac Libertas was not founded yet, back then. NOS was still somewhat alive. Paxton was only 2 small corporations back then. We helped for like 3-4 or so days, then SF thought it would be a good idea to wardec Paxton and STEEL, so we coordinated with STEEL, pulled back to Misaba area, and did what we could to fight SF. During that time not much of Paxton was seen in Providence. --
Zaruda Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.27 14:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Rodj Blake Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? If you are talking claimed systems, that would be all. If you are talking about material losses, none, as in the very beginning, UK did not have any interest in holding territory. It took considerable prodding to make that move. But congratulations nonetheless on claiming possibly the most worthless piece of lawless territory that can be 'claimed'. The materials of the moons are widely available essentially everywhere are the minerals obtained from the asteroid fields. And lets got forget the kind of political backstabbing that goes on in areas like this for control over these 'resources' as people will want to have it in bulk to make any real profit. And as a bonus prize, you also get to inherit the headache of having to stretch manpower so far and so thin, considering what it takes to police not only so porous a system as 9UY but also the remainder of Providence. And no, this is not bitterness talking. But the word relieved does come to mind.
Zaruda Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.27 15:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Rodj Blake So when exactly will you be placing the Amarrian stations in the systems that you've "captured" under Republic control? I feel the need to ask this. Since you don't seem to care much, why does PIE work on reclaiming these systems on its own as you claim to do? Although I find this fact dubious at best considering not one of the militia personnel I have spoken to thus far has seen you or any of your cronies doing much of anything besides talking alot.
Zaruda Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.27 15:11:00 - [56] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss and lets not forget you are not actually taking any planets from the Amarr, nor effecting their local governance. Concord has laid a ban against such. You are destroying assets, nothing more. that is not to say you aren't being successful in your asset destruction, but over all this concord managed mico-warfare is insignificant. Take note everyone that he said this because if the fortunes of war are ever reversed, you will hear cries of how great their achievements are and how this is a great day for the Empire should they ever maintain occupancy of as many systems under the Minmatar Republic's sovereignty as we have.
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.27 15:52:00 - [57] Enough Everyone needs to just shut up Whats done is done. Our brothers and sisters are waiting for us to free them. Let us stop wasting words and answer the call to action. I will be in Auga waiting. My guns will do all my diplomacy.
Sinia Shadow Council	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:17:00 - [58] Originally by: Paddington Edited by: Paddington on 26/06/2008 23:04:33 Originally by: Sinia Originally by: Conlin Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?. CVA, PIE, VV, AM, -7- vs UK, Outbreak, Evoke, The Establisment, Chaos Incarnate, The Star Fraction, The Littlest Hobos, Malachai Fa'an, Electus Matari I believe I am right in saying Sylph also joined the CVA side towards the end of the fighting as your allies kept shooting at them while basing out of Unity Station? I think I covered everyone? This communication is now officially derailed. yer try adding paxton federation, liberatus ( something or another based behind paxton) slammers republic and many more smaller but numerous CVA pet corps. edit* and iac Paxton had only just come into existence and had yet to move into 0.0, I believe they were busy with a war dec with SF in high security space. Libertas did not exist at that point and came to Providence later. Slammers republic were hostile to CVA I believe as I seem to remember many whine communications from them. IAC were a 3000+ man alliance at the time and I cannot find a single IAC ship listed on any battlereports from either side. Talking to a CVA guy yesterday im told bob showed up with a single titan to try to knock CVA ships out of a POS, should I list them aswel if you are counting the odd 4-5 man roaming IAC gang that had little to do with the conflict?
Octavinus Augustus Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.01 10:38:00 - [59] It would indeed be a shame if the vile U'K simply disbanded and joined another and newer form of filth - your socalled "tribal liberation force" or whatever it's called. The fame and fortune acquired by man in his service to GOD should be measured by the obstacles he or she will overcome fighting the good fight. That GOD has indeed allowed an organisation such as U'K to exist, and at times prosper, shows nothing if not his love for the righteous - it enables us repeatedly to prove us to him repeatedly by fighting U'K and their like. To vanquish such people and overcome such trials as they may set upon our paths are noble feats. Those who endure these trials should say praise that GOD has indeed given them the opportunity to show their love by taking such an ardenous path. If only for their past history, I feel that an organisation like U'K should exist - if for no other reason then to allow the righteous to prove their love of GOD by vanquishing their ranks. Some may say I speak heresy, but I honestly feel the EvE galaxy would be a poorer plce without U'K in it (hopefully to be repeatedly savagely beaten by the righteous). On a more practical level, as one of UK's long standing enemies, I must point out that they are already guilty of more crimes in the name of their rebellion against GOD than many of the pilots currently flying for the Minmatar Republics militia will ever be. Personally at least, I will continue to associate the U'K more with the rebellion of the Minmatar Republic than any militia force that will probably never prove even marginally "succesfull" compared to Ushra Khan. Finally, I think that an organisation like U'K might well join the "tribal liberation forces" ranks if allowed to do so by the beaurocrats. It seems for some reason that the Minmatar Republic is plagued by the same beaurocratic rules that can be found to sometimes plague the glorious Amarr Empire. For some reason they are not allowed to join up by the paper pushers. One could almost assume that some superior power (and I'm not talking about GOD here) sits above both, throwing it's obscure rules upon both Republic and Empire. Some superior power that disallow those who have fought the hardest over the years to join their respective causes officially. If this is true, I feel it's a great shame. OR we could assume that both the Empire and the Republic feel that we do greater service to the cause by fighting as seperate entities - CVA for instance securing Providence for the Empire, and U'K doing their "thing" while giving the Republic deniability. I feel only one more thing neeeds to be said: We come for your people. Q: How do you make a disobediant Minmatar slave scream? A: Skin it and roll it in salt.

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