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Armaan Aliastra	Posted - 2008.06.23 22:39:00 - [1] Edited by: Armaan on 23/06/2008 22:40:04 Creating an alliance means that you have a political objective separate from other alliances or entities. Ushra'Khan is a well known entity whose intentions are almost parallel to the Minmatar RepublicÆs. Once again, I repeat, almost. Their leadershipÆs inability to remove egos from the equation has left UKÆs legacy as a group which is interested only in the destruction of their old nemesis, the CVA. Hence, UKÆs unwillingness to let go their political alliance is proof that they are illegitimately claiming to fight for the RepublicÆs behalf. We all know that the CVA are a just a horde of filthy zombies who will blindly follow their prententious God's will for profiteering purposes. I expect UK to be more righteous. If UK truely believes in what the Minmatar Republic is trying to achieve, it should temporarily cease to exist while the Republic is actively at war with the Amarr scum and join the Tribal Liberation Force. Gone are the days of UK claiming sovereignty. Time to fight the Minmatar way for the time being. Brothers, there is no need for the shackle yourself to an alliance name in this war. Free yourselves!
Maggot Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:12:00 - [2] Ushra'khan exists to fight one thing only - the end of slavery across the whole of the galaxy. Once that objective is complete then it can indeed close down as an entity. We are not part of the Republic and indeed many of our pilots would have no wish to be, we are a diverse group. However we have a common foe, the Amarr Empire and its paramilitaries. With this is mind we have declared war on those faction corps that are having the most impact in the new war spreading through Concord space. Ushra'khan has never had any intention of holding sovereign space other than for the practical purposes of fighting slavery where it is supported....and of course historians will no doubt say that that is a good thing as we failed to hold that front! We are free people of course and some of our members have indeed joined the TLF directly and we follow their progress daily. Death to Slavery!
Kitoba Legion of Dynamic Discord	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:15:00 - [3] Just because those paper pushers at HQ won't accept alliances in the Force doesn't mean that UK isn't flying alongside us.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:22:00 - [4] I fight for the Matari people and our way of life. The most pressing need in that fight is to first free all our people. Right now the Republic fights alongside me in that. It was not always so, it may not always be so. I am an Ushra'Khan commander and council member, if the Republic wish to discuss shared resources or closer collaboration in this war effort then I for one will listen. There needs to be some distance, given our history both us and the Republic have cause to be cautious around each other. For now we give extensive aid to the Tribal militia and pursue enemy units deep into their territory targetting supplies lines, infrastructure and their combat units. Just as we always have. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Jake Oman Star Frontiers FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:51:00 - [5] Edited by: Jake Oman on 23/06/2008 23:51:46 From what I hear about the militas' lack of organization, the republic is better off working with Ushra'Khan. They have the organization and experience to disrupt the Amarr war machine. From their messages here, it seems like their leadership knows this, and I trust they will do the right thing to fight against slavery.
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 01:11:00 - [6] I welcome the daily victories won by our brothers in the militia, and I've aided those efforts as best I can. I think that the Republic's new leadership understands us well, and I still have hope that under Shakor's guidance the militia will allow U'K to better support their operations. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!
Illuvian Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.24 01:31:00 - [7] I thank the Ushra'Khan for their assistance in this war, and can assure any doubters that they have served honorably in the service and assistance of the Tribal Liberation Force. Metus improbos compescit, non clementia. It is fear, not kindness that restrains the wicked.
Tweakalvos Your Cute When You Scream	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:48:00 - [8] i will say this if anyone has lost there way its cva. as an mercenary for the Amarrian Empire and mostly neutral. CVA to me are pirates more then anything and contradict their beliefs. I don't even know why they even say there part of space. I'm surprised the emperor even identifies there existence for the Empire.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:14:00 - [9] Originally by: Becq Starforged I think that the Republic's new leadership understands us well, and I still have hope that under Shakor's guidance the militia will allow U'K to better support their operations. And if not, you'll just put a bounty on Shakor's head, right? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Belatu Cadro Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Belatu Cadro on 24/06/2008 08:38:18 Originally by: Rodj Blake And if not, you'll just put a bounty on Shakor's head, right? Rodj, your attempt at a droll response falls miserably short, everyone is well aware of the 1isk bounty, placed on Karin MidularÆs head by UshraÆKhan as a sign of protest, no-one ever took the bounty as a sincere order to kill her. Armaan, instead of sitting on the sideline judging those you do not know, why do you not join the fight yourself, you try and judge the intentions of a group of pilots who would willingly lay down their lives if it means the freedom of their kin, but do so from the comfort and safety of your office, where you seem to have distanced yourself from the war raging around you. The UshraÆKhan do not hold sovereignty as you seem to claim, they do not fight for profit, or for ownership of systems, they fight for the freedom of their people. You ask them to disband and fight in the militia to free themselves, but is this not what they have been fighting for since their inception? You say you expect UK to be more righteous, yet they fight alongside the militia to help free our brothers that have been enslaved for centuries, they have been present at almost every major battle that has taken place since the war broke out, they have been there in support of almost every system we have taken from the Amarr. This despite actions of others such as outbreak who have joined the militia but still insist on firing at supporting UshraÆKhan vessels even with the Amarr killing their kinsman right next to them. Instead if judging from afar why do you not rather get to know the leadership of UshraÆKhan, you will find little of the egoÆs you speaks of, youÆll discover that the only political objective they have are for the freedom for their people from slaver abroad and tyrannous rule at home. And while itÆs true that UK are in an almost perpetual war with CVA, you are far from accurate when you describe it as the overwhelming cause for their day to day existence, yes when UK pilots meet CVA in the space lanes they do not have time for niceties, but neither do they hunt CVA or seek them out.
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Belatu Cadro Edited by: Belatu Cadro on 24/06/2008 08:38:18 Originally by: Rodj Blake And if not, you'll just put a bounty on Shakor's head, right? Rodj, your attempt at a droll response falls miserably short, everyone is well aware of the 1isk bounty, placed on Karin MidularÆs head by UshraÆKhan as a sign of protest, no-one ever took the bounty as a sincere order to kill her. maybe, maybe not. how arrogant the UK are to have made such claims eh? how ignorant of the target's true goals they were. but what ever, we pod pilots are a loud lot. the shame of this "protest" will haunt them always. that is what you get when you make those kinds of offical statements. UK are the best thing the Militia has going for it. True they have been routed from the space they claimed before this whole "war" that has sort of broken out...but you can't turn your back on them. you think they are dead and then you get a knife in your kidney. were I a republic lackey i'd fly as close to them as possible. lucky i am not becuase I do believe they might shoot at me...maybe.
Maggot Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 09:57:00 - [12] Just to clarify, the 1 ISK bounty still stands and was not a "protest". The ***** needs to die.
Micia Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 10:32:00 - [13] Originally by: Maggot Just to clarify, the 1 ISK bounty still stands and was not a "protest". The ***** needs to die. First chance I get, Maggot. _______ Break your chains! Kinda'Shujaa is just the first step.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 10:53:00 - [14] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/06/2008 10:53:00 Originally by: Belatu Cadro no-one ever took the bounty as a sincere order to kill her. Originally by: Maggot Just to clarify, the 1 ISK bounty still stands and was not a "protest". The ***** needs to die. A slight difference of opinion, there. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:00:00 - [15] U'K have clashed heads with the republic in the past, most noteably over The Defiants and the killing of Karishal Muritor. The militia's active role is something that U'K can get stuck in with actively fighting to support but we view the republic government still with caution. I feel the original transmission understates the clash in objectives of the republic and u'k.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:09:00 - [16] Yes Rodj, a difference of opinion between the man who set the bounty and an outside observer. You can take Maggot at his word when he states the intentions of his own actions. It is laughable the slavers are still bragging that they took a station with an overwhealming force over a year ago now. All this while in far more recent times the Bleak Lands is being retaken system by system while their vaunted 24th Crusade flee in utter panic. Please, try to achieve something else this decade to harp on about. You start to look foolish clinging to glories of the distant past. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Telemicus Thrace It is laughable the slavers are still bragging that they took a station Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:18:00 - [18] Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting.
Arkady Sadik Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:22:00 - [19] If the enemy is whining about your actions, you know you are doing something right. Good work, Ushra'Khan.
Rodj Blake PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Xennith Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:36:00 - [21] Yay, lets talk about UNITY station for a while. That never gets old. We come for our people
Belatu Cadro Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:44:00 - [22] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. ... This one time at least you are right Blake, he is wrong it's *seven* systems, probably eight by the time this transmission reaches you.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Belatu Cadro Originally by: Rodj Blake And if not, you'll just put a bounty on Shakor's head, right? Rodj, your attempt at a droll response falls miserably short Actually, to be honest, I found that quite funny. Much more so than Maggot's and the U'K's stance on this. Making threats on a Tribal Chief's life while fighting for the same tribe... Originally by: Original poster Creating an alliance means that you have a political objective separate from other alliances or entities. And this is not necessarily true. You can create an alliance to support another political entity's goals, when for example organization demands that you need to have separate procedures than the "parent" organization. This is the situation for Electus Matari: we are an alliance without any other political agenda than to support the Republic, but for organization reasons it is crucial for us that we can keep our own alliance functions intact. Joining the Militia would not allow for this, so we are for no other reasons than bureaucracy forced to remain separate. Luckily that does not stop us from defending systems and killing Amarr ships. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Telemicus Thrace Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 13:46:00 - [24] That's right Rodj it was two stations. We bought that one off ISS after your allies in IAC / Goons / etc drove them out of the open outpost business. My memory grows hazy, it has been so long and so much has happened since. Well, for us anyway. Congratulations to the Tribal Liberation Front, your progress in this war is worthy of song and legend. We have your flank, forward my Brothers. Join Kinda'Shujaa
Karn Mithralia Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 14:21:00 - [25] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 24/06/2008 14:23:53 Wise words? Those are the words of an imbecile. CVA are the single most powerful force in the pro-Amarrian, pro-slavery camp. Sure they currently have a relatively minor military investment in the Concord sanctioned turf war being fought in the Bleaks and Metropolis, but to see what they do in Providence as of less importance ... well, you can only be blind. Know your enemy. The slaver has many faces. -----------------------------------------
Tomahawk Bliss The Aegis Militia Aegis Militia	Posted - 2008.06.24 16:55:00 - [26] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. I don't expect you to know how easy Occupancy changing is when compared to actually taking and holding space beyond the various empire's and their holdings. Had you known you wouldn't have compared the two. It is like Lord Rodj saying "Two Titans" and you come back with "Six Cruisers" Not a single experienced pilot can properly claim that blowing up the various installations (which of course can difficult) and orbiting beacons is anywhere even near the logistical complexity and military challenge of claiming space and conquering assets from hostile forces on the scale of alliance sovereignty. That is not to say the Militia and Ushra'khan have not had success and as a person who has fought the hostile matari groups for many year I recognize their tenacity and ability, but this bragging is quite simply out of balance and i hope there is some measure of sanity brought back into it.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.06.24 17:06:00 - [27] Let's let lasers do the talking, Bliss. San Matari Official forums
Conlin Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 18:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Originally by: Rodj Blake Two stations, Thrace. Two stations. Six systems, Rodj. Six systems. Ignoring for the moment the fact that your numbers are wrong, I wouldn't claim that the Empire hasn't lost occupancy (but not sovereignty) in some of the systems in the Bleak Lands. Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? In that case Roddy , Shall we discuss how many corps/alliances it took to take them from UK ?.
Major Death Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.24 19:59:00 - [29] Quote: Of course, if you want to talk about systems though, shall we take a look at how many systems the U'K lost in Providence? Why don't you undock and take a look? My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) CCP say 'Shut up about bugs and eat your eye candy!'
Becq Starforged Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.06.25 02:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss I don't expect you to know how easy Occupancy changing is when compared to actually taking and holding space beyond the various empire's and their holdings. Had you known you wouldn't have compared the two. It is like Lord Rodj saying "Two Titans" and you come back with "Six Cruisers" Not a single experienced pilot can properly claim that blowing up the various installations (which of course can difficult) and orbiting beacons is anywhere even near the logistical complexity and military challenge of claiming space and conquering assets from hostile forces on the scale of alliance sovereignty. That is not to say the Militia and Ushra'khan have not had success and as a person who has fought the hostile matari groups for many year I recognize their tenacity and ability, but this bragging is quite simply out of balance and i hope there is some measure of sanity brought back into it. I don't expect you to understand or care about the key difference here, which is this: * Providence is and has always been inhabited by pod pilots plus a relative handful of military and support personnel. A non-trivial number to be sure, but if the entire region has personnel number more than a few millions or perhaps tens of millions, I'd be surprised. * The Bleak Lands is filled with populated planets, complete with surface industry, mineral exploitation, agriculture, etc. In the many dozens of worlds in the systems taken by my brothers, there are no doubt hundreds of millions if not billions of inhabitants, including many times the number of slaves that are owned by the entire roles of CVA, PIE, VV, and the 24th militia corps combined. If you care about a series of lifeless worlds with some orbital rocks around them, then I congradulate you on your achievement. But we come for our people. -- Becq Starforged The Flame of Freedom Burns On!

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