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Angela Toren
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:48:00 -
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I just had a salad, it was nice (I really enjoyed it) but I don't think i could eat what is essentially grass for more than a day. The health benefits of rabbit food are great and a large salad has less calories than a can of coke but it's the blandness that kills me, i need MEAT!
Vegetarians, how do you do it? Do you ever long for tender juicy lamb or some other tasty meat? Does the smell of bacon or sausages in the morning drive you nuts? Do you go weak at the knees when someone tucks into a massive hamburger or fried chicken or fish infront of you?
Meat-eaters, could you go vegetarian for a week without jumping out a window? Could you go into a fast food restaurant and order a salad? share your thoughts.
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Angela Toren
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:48:00 -
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I just had a salad, it was nice (I really enjoyed it) but I don't think i could eat what is essentially grass for more than a day. The health benefits of rabbit food are great and a large salad has less calories than a can of coke but it's the blandness that kills me, i need MEAT!
Vegetarians, how do you do it? Do you ever long for tender juicy lamb or some other tasty meat? Does the smell of bacon or sausages in the morning drive you nuts? Do you go weak at the knees when someone tucks into a massive hamburger or fried chicken or fish infront of you?
Meat-eaters, could you go vegetarian for a week without jumping out a window? Could you go into a fast food restaurant and order a salad? share your thoughts.
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Zyck
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: Zyck on 23/06/2008 23:00:13
I'd go crazy without meat for a week.
As to how vegetarians do it, they're obviously insane. It's the only way.
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Keta Min
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:02:00 -
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vegetarian food does not mean salad cause the nutritional value of that is often close to zero. potatoes, pasta, rice, awesome sauces.. you get the idea
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Elysarian
dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:03:00 -
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We wouldn't have canine teeth is we were meant to be herbivores.
God/Evolution (delete according to religious viewpoint) made us capable of digesting both plant and animal matter - we've just got to the point where we can replace the nutrients lost by avoiding meat from other sources.
Therefore: Vegitarianism can be a lifestyle choice made for whatever reason (be it a dislike of animal cruelty or the misguided idea that it's "healthier")
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Angela Toren
I just had a salad, it was nice (I really enjoyed it) but I don't think i could eat what is essentially grass for more than a day. The health benefits of rabbit food are great and a large salad has less calories than a can of coke but it's the blandness that kills me, i need MEAT!
Vegetarians, how do you do it? Do you ever long for tender juicy lamb or some other tasty meat? Does the smell of bacon or sausages in the morning drive you nuts? Do you go weak at the knees when someone tucks into a massive hamburger or fried chicken or fish infront of you?
Meat-eaters, could you go vegetarian for a week without jumping out a window? Could you go into a fast food restaurant and order a salad? share your thoughts.
Vegetarians normally are repulsed by meat for a number of reasons, this is how they get by...
As for if I could live with one, I could aslong as he could live with me .
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:29:00 -
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Your problem is assuming that vegetarian food is all salads and further assuming that eating lots of salads would be healthy. A normal salad contains very little nutrition. I've been vegan for years and my diet consists mostly of potatoes, bread, random vegetables and soya products.
To answer your questions, no. I don't mind people eating meat around me but I don't feel like I want it or anything like that. To tell you the truth, I find the smell of chicken makes me feel kind of sick now.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Angela Toren
I just had a salad, it was nice (I really enjoyed it) but I don't think i could eat what is essentially grass for more than a day. The health benefits of rabbit food are great and a large salad has less calories than a can of coke but it's the blandness that kills me, i need MEAT!
Health benefits of rabbit food?
You can have a perfectly healthy lifestyle and still eat meat, it's all about making balanced choices, not about restricting yourself to vegetarian food.
With that said, no I couldn't go vegetarian for a week. Mainly because there's no reason to, from my point of view. (unless you are against animal cruelty, or something like that)
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Harpezza
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:32:00 -
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Being a vegetarian is like being a *******. All teenage girls go through that phase but in the end they all turn back to meat.
And to anwser your question, i could go a week or more without eating meat. However i would feel like a right tool going into a fast food resturant only to order a salad and nothing else. |
DubanFP
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:50:00 -
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I could probebly go a couple weeks without eating meat if i had to. I just don't see why I would have to or want to.
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Elliot Reid
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:57:00 -
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As much as I love meat I do like a good salad and with Heinz Salad Creme there's all the added flavour you could want.
Hmmm. French stick with a nice salad filling and lots of Salad Creme.
/me makes shopping list for tomorrow
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Isiskhan on 24/06/2008 00:41:03
I don't generally eat meat. I don't really call myself "vegetarian" because I'm not hardcore about it and I dislike dogmas, though I've found out that when dealing with other people it's usually easier to simply say I am vegetarian instead of having to explain myself.
The rare times I do eat meat nowadays is usually bacon (yummy) or Jam=n (only top-quality though, otherwise it tastes too much like generic meat for my liking). I don't experience "cravings" for meat, but then I never was a fan of it: I don't like the taste of most meats, and I have to admit I feel somewhat repulsed by it.
And besides all that, I just don't digest meat well. Once in a blue moon I go and indulge myself to an orgy of Tony Roma's ribs, knowing full well that for the next five hours I'm going to feel like sh*t in a near-catatonic state unable to do anything much while my body deals with the aftermath.
Sometimes I do wish I liked and could digest meat. Like when I see a deliciously looking serving of fried chicken, or when I smell someone grilling prime cuts of meat. But if I go ahead and try it, after the superficial taste of the fried crust or the grill I get the raw flavour of the chicken / meat behind it and I have to put it aside. On the other hand, I do like the taste of lamb, particularly the sort we have here in Spain: lechazo, which is baby lamb who's never eaten grass, just milk from its mother (I just don't digest it well and I find myself having to fight the mild repulsion I feel towards it).
Anyway, yes, eating just rabbit food is not going to make you feel satiated, but there's so much more to vegetarian cooking. Dairy products and eggs can supply you with animal fat (as well as protein) which can contribute to the meat-like satiated feeling, and besides a large selection of veggies (pumpkin, sweat potatoes and zuchinni are my faves) as well as rice, pasta and noodles, I'm a big fan in particular of any sort of beans. All those can fill you up very satisfyingly and can be prepared to be deliciously tasty.
I also like hot spicy flavours, and I'm quite generous when it comes to using curry in my cooking, or going to Indian / Pakistani restaurants (which usually have a large selection of vegetarian dishes and can give you many ideas to try at home). Tip: curry paste + coconut milk + natural yoghurt = epic win.
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Lal QelThyr
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 00:52:00 -
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Hmmm. French stick with a nice salad filling and lots of Salad Cream.
Add ham and you have got my second favourite sandwich. My favourite is that, but with tomatoes and penut butter added to the mix. So good...
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 09:18:00 -
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I eat meat all the time & some pasta I cant stand rabbit food!
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 09:33:00 -
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Was forced to be vegetarian till I was 10 by a zealous vegetarian (aka father), then never looked back.
Only, the ONLY reason I would have to go back to being a vegetarian is because of what Einsten (I think it was) that pointed out that less energy was spent on land by being vegtarian as opposed to the same land being used to feed animals.
Basicly, Vegetarian is theoreticly cheaper but I haven't checked the numbers.
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drendell
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Posted - 2008.06.24 11:21:00 -
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We are omnivores so where supposed to eat both so thats exactly what i do, same with chimps they kill and east small monkey's but they don't mind eating fruit either,being a vegetarian is therefore unnatural.
and whoever said that being a vegetarian was a phase that all teenage girls go through, you couldn't be more right i think it more of an attention thing in that case.
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:16:00 -
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this thread is making me hungry, im gonna go wrangle up some beef jerky, and no i could not go vegan, the only reason meat tastes good to humans is because out bodies associate the taste of meat with alot of nutrients that we need to survive
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.24 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
this thread is making me hungry, im gonna go wrangle up some beef jerky, and no i could not go vegan, the only reason meat tastes good to humans is because out bodies associate the taste of meat with alot of nutrients that we need to survive
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:23:00 -
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mmmmmmmm food, nice big 10oz Rump Steak with peppercorn sauce? ;)
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
There's actually not that much meat in hotdogs. Watched a news report once where they analyzed the contents of an average street hotdog and it only had about 14% "real" meat. The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: goodby4u
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
There's actually not that much meat in hotdogs. Watched a news report once where they analyzed the contents of an average street hotdog and it only had about 14% "real" meat. The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
That's why you don't ask whats in it.
If I never had a reason to fire up the grill I'd go crazy. Theres no way I can live without a nice juicy steak or ribs.
Originally by: El'tar
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: goodby4u
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
There's actually not that much meat in hotdogs. Watched a news report once where they analyzed the contents of an average street hotdog and it only had about 14% "real" meat. The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
Eww. Good thing I don't eat hotdogs then.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
In otherwords, they actualy have a use for the offel?
Is Steak and Kidney pie unique to Britian?
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: goodby4u
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
There's actually not that much meat in hotdogs. Watched a news report once where they analyzed the contents of an average street hotdog and it only had about 14% "real" meat. The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
Dont care, it tastes like meat and is yummy.
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.24 16:54:00 -
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More fun with street hotdogs and burgers: my uncle has a butchery (as well as a slaughterhouse), and my grandfather used to go visit my cousin sometimes while he worked.
He told me he noticed that while working on a cow carcass to chop all the good parts out if it, my cousin would put all the crap they wouldn't dare show customers in a separate pile (not even offal - which some people do eat), but once he was finished he would pack up this pile instead of throwing it away.
My grandfather asked him why he just didn't throw it away, and my cousin replied that some guy from the city came regularly and bought it to make hotdogs and/or burgers with.
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 24/06/2008 16:59:57
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Isiskhan
Originally by: goodby4u
QFT im trying to figure out if I want steak or a hotdog atm...
There's actually not that much meat in hotdogs. Watched a news report once where they analyzed the contents of an average street hotdog and it only had about 14% "real" meat. The rest as some sort of cereal, throwaway crap from animal carcasses, things like that.
That's why you don't ask whats in it.
If I never had a reason to fire up the grill I'd go crazy. Theres no way I can live without a nice juicy steak or ribs.
if it dont make me sick, if it dont kill me and if it tastes good then i realy dont care
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Alice'Dee
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:12:00 -
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Fun Facts
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Alice'Dee
Fun Facts
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan
More fun with street hotdogs and burgers: my uncle has a butchery (as well as a slaughterhouse), and my grandfather used to go visit my cousin sometimes while he worked.
He told me he noticed that while working on a cow carcass to chop all the good parts out if it, my cousin would put all the crap they wouldn't dare show customers in a separate pile (not even offal - which some people do eat), but once he was finished he would pack up this pile instead of throwing it away.
My grandfather asked him why he just didn't throw it away, and my cousin replied that some guy from the city came regularly and bought it to make hotdogs and/or burgers with.
Meh, dont care.... Got a big plate of hotdogs and ill eat every one.
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:26:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Isiskhan
More fun with street hotdogs and burgers: my uncle has a butchery (as well as a slaughterhouse), and my grandfather used to go visit my cousin sometimes while he worked.
He told me he noticed that while working on a cow carcass to chop all the good parts out if it, my cousin would put all the crap they wouldn't dare show customers in a separate pile (not even offal - which some people do eat), but once he was finished he would pack up this pile instead of throwing it away.
My grandfather asked him why he just didn't throw it away, and my cousin replied that some guy from the city came regularly and bought it to make hotdogs and/or burgers with.
Meh, dont care.... Got a big plate of hotdogs and ill eat every one.
kan ah haz one?
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
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Zephyr Rengate
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:27:00 -
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TBH if you want to know the truth about vegetarians read Maddox's mission.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...
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Alice'Dee
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Alice'Dee
Fun Facts
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
apparently they do as vegetarians seem to not suddenly die off. and concerning proteine this is quoted from the above link:
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# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to World Health Organization: 4.5%
# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to Food and Nutrition Board of the U.S.D.A.: 6%
# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to National Research Council: 8%
# Percentage of calories as protein in wheat: 17%
# Percentage of calories as protein in broccoli: 45%
# Percentage of calories as protein in rice: 8%
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:30:00 -
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Hey I'm all for people being vegitarians....more steak for me....
Originally by: El'tar
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Isiskhan
More fun with street hotdogs and burgers: my uncle has a butchery (as well as a slaughterhouse), and my grandfather used to go visit my cousin sometimes while he worked.
He told me he noticed that while working on a cow carcass to chop all the good parts out if it, my cousin would put all the crap they wouldn't dare show customers in a separate pile (not even offal - which some people do eat), but once he was finished he would pack up this pile instead of throwing it away.
My grandfather asked him why he just didn't throw it away, and my cousin replied that some guy from the city came regularly and bought it to make hotdogs and/or burgers with.
Meh, dont care.... Got a big plate of hotdogs and ill eat every one.
kan ah haz one?
NO!
But you can hear about them.... They are covered in chilly and cheese, and wrapped in bologna and bacon(yes im serious).
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: goodby4u
Originally by: Isiskhan
More fun with street hotdogs and burgers: my uncle has a butchery (as well as a slaughterhouse), and my grandfather used to go visit my cousin sometimes while he worked.
He told me he noticed that while working on a cow carcass to chop all the good parts out if it, my cousin would put all the crap they wouldn't dare show customers in a separate pile (not even offal - which some people do eat), but once he was finished he would pack up this pile instead of throwing it away.
My grandfather asked him why he just didn't throw it away, and my cousin replied that some guy from the city came regularly and bought it to make hotdogs and/or burgers with.
Meh, dont care.... Got a big plate of hotdogs and ill eat every one.
kan ah haz one?
NO!
But you can hear about them.... They are covered in chilly and cheese, and wrapped in bologna and bacon(yes im serious).
oh you bastard. i am so friggin hungry now.......TO ARBYS
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alice'Dee
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Alice'Dee
Fun Facts
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
apparently they do as vegetarians seem to not suddenly die off. and concerning proteine this is quoted from the above link:
Quote:
# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to World Health Organization: 4.5%
# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to Food and Nutrition Board of the U.S.D.A.: 6%
# Recommended percentage of daily calories to be derived from protein according to National Research Council: 8%
# Percentage of calories as protein in wheat: 17%
# Percentage of calories as protein in broccoli: 45%
# Percentage of calories as protein in rice: 8%
ah well i did not know that, but still i likes the taste of a juicy rare cut of beef to much to go vegan
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
It's a common misconception that meat is mostly protein and plants don't contain much protein. A well-balanced diet can easily contain everything the human body needs even if it excludes all animal products. The only exception is possibly vitamin B12 which is normally present in dirt and river water but is removed from our vegetables and water supplies by cleaning and filtration. For that reason, vegans are encouraged to supplement their B12 intake or regularly eat foods fortified with it such as soya milk and breakfast cereals.
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Arvald
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.06.24 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Arvald
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
It's a common misconception that meat is mostly protein and plants don't contain much protein. A well-balanced diet can easily contain everything the human body needs even if it excludes all animal products. The only exception is possibly vitamin B12 which is normally present in dirt and river water but is removed from our vegetables and water supplies by cleaning and filtration. For that reason, vegans are encouraged to supplement their B12 intake or regularly eat foods fortified with it such as soya milk and breakfast cereals.
cool, thanks for the clarification
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
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Alice'Dee
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
ah well i did not know that, but still i likes the taste of a juicy rare cut of beef to much to go vegan
tbh i did have a few moments of meat craving in the first two months or so but it went away. also i did not flip my diet from one day to the other as i considered that not a smart thing to do, instead i gradually changed it reducing meat and diary products intake to zero over a longer period.
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Zephyr Rengate
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.06.24 18:29:00 -
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How can one survive without milk or any dairy products!
MADNESS.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
I will not liek human meat but the naerest I tried is human chesse. I don't want to tried again ...
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Bob Stuart
Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.06.24 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
The only exception is possibly vitamin B12 which is normally present in dirt and river water but is removed from our vegetables and water supplies by cleaning and filtration. For that reason, vegans are encouraged to supplement their B12 intake.
I read that oralsex is quite good for obtaining vitamin B12.
(for men, and lesbeanz anyway, the article did not explain what heterosexual women are expected to do)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.06.24 20:16:00 -
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Every vegetarian I know, insists their body is in a state of pure nirvana as a result of their diet.
Every vegetarian I know also gets tired faster than I do on a distance run, and I am a chain-smoking out-of-shape alkie. Most of them are gaunt to the point of emaciation, and every single one has 'the vegan smell' - if you hang around vegans any, you probably know what I mean. They don`t smell right.
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nahtoh
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Arvald
ok not trying to be sarcastic here im actually asking a real question, do plants and grains and such even contain a noticeable amount of protein potassium sodium and all that good stuff the human body needs to survive that is found in meat?
It's a common misconception that meat is mostly protein and plants don't contain much protein. A well-balanced diet can easily contain everything the human body needs even if it excludes all animal products. The only exception is possibly vitamin B12 which is normally present in dirt and river water but is removed from our vegetables and water supplies by cleaning and filtration. For that reason, vegans are encouraged to supplement their B12 intake or regularly eat foods fortified with it such as soya milk and breakfast cereals.
cool, thanks for the clarification
So the answer to your question is basicly no or a maybe but not yes...
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Exitus Acta Probant
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Posted - 2008.06.25 00:04:00 -
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All the vegetarians I know are forced to down vitamins (I realize this is healthy anyway, but I mean they have to pretty much) and protein supplements 
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.06.25 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Error
All the vegetarians I know are forced to down vitamins (I realize this is healthy anyway, but I mean they have to pretty much) and protein supplements
I don't know where the hell you people come up with this sort of crap, but for the record, no, you certainly don't need to rely on supplements of any shape or form if you are a vegetarian.
(I'm not speaking for veganism or other sort of more extreme diets - which I know little of).
And I'm speaking out of first hand experience, not just pulling this out of my ass or relying on some third hand anecdote: I've eaten very little meat for the last decade and a half and I'm healthy as a bull. No supplements. And no, I'm certainly not getting tired of it either.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.25 02:22:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 25/06/2008 02:27:12
Originally by: Eternal Error
All the vegetarians I know are forced to down vitamins (I realize this is healthy anyway, but I mean they have to pretty much) and protein supplements
Some of the world's top athletes are vegan. And for the record, my diet consists mostly of potatoes, bread and the occasional soya product and I'm absolutely healthy. Availability of good soya products varies from country to country but with a well-balanced diet, you really shouldn't ever need to supplement either vitamins or protein. In fact, if you're getting enough food to fill your energy requirements and eat a varied diet with no junk food, it's physically impossible not to meet your protein requirements.
Also, downing lots of vitamin supplements is not healthy. People have this idea that vitamins are good and it can't hurt to have too much but that's not always the case. Most people get everything they need from their food and not only are they wasting their money on supplements but you can actually develop medical complications from overdosing on some vitamins. I once overdosed on potassium from eating a load of bananas when I was little and had the shakes for a few days. My little brother overdosed on vitamin supplements once and suffered withdrawal symptoms that were essentially deficiency of the vitamins he was taking for most of a week.
Originally by: nahtoh
So the answer to your question is basicly no or a maybe but not yes...
The answer to his question of whether or not plants and grains contain substantial amounts of the important mineral and vitamin constituents of meat is definitively yes. Ask any qualified nutritionalist. Meat is not some kind of wonder food that contains all the things you need and unless you eat nothing but meat, it's not the sole source of anything in your diet.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 07:29:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Every vegetarian I know, insists their body is in a state of pure nirvana as a result of their diet.
Every vegetarian I know also gets tired faster than I do on a distance run, and I am a chain-smoking out-of-shape alkie. Most of them are gaunt to the point of emaciation, and every single one has 'the vegan smell' - if you hang around vegans any, you probably know what I mean. They don`t smell right.
so vegans don't smell right to a chain smoker.. the irony
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Mary Me'Belle
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Posted - 2008.06.25 10:44:00 -
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for tasty filling vegetarian food just look for a good Indian cookbook. Chick peas, potatoes, beans, rice and lentils make good filling food. spices make it tasty.
i have about 4-5 vege meals a week. it's healthy cheap and yummy. although there is a fair bit of cheese as a meat substitute in there. I love meat but it is outrageously expensive here in Switzerland. a good steak from the supermarket will cost you about US$35 a lb or (80CHF/kg)
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.06.25 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Me'Belle
for tasty filling vegetarian food just look for a good Indian cookbook. Chick peas, potatoes, beans, rice and lentils make good filling food. spices make it tasty.
i have about 4-5 vege meals a week. it's healthy cheap and yummy. although there is a fair bit of cheese as a meat substitute in there. I love meat but it is outrageously expensive here in Switzerland. a good steak from the supermarket will cost you about US$35 a lb or (80CHF/kg)
Jesus that had better some FANTASTIC steak.
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Edited by: Mary Me''Belle on 25/06/2008 11:20:48
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mary Me'Belle
for tasty filling vegetarian food just look for a good Indian cookbook. Chick peas, potatoes, beans, rice and lentils make good filling food. spices make it tasty.
i have about 4-5 vege meals a week. it's healthy, cheap and yummy. although there is a fair bit of cheese as a meat substitute in there. I love meat but it is outrageously expensive here in Switzerland. a good steak from the supermarket will cost you about US$35 a lb or (80CHF/kg)
Jesus that had better some FANTASTIC steak.
lol, i have no idea, it can't be worth it :P
we go to an Argentinian BBQ restaurant in Germany for a steak fix every now and then. Yes, it is cheaper to go to another country and have someone else cook your steak.
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Cyne Spurr
MacroIntel
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Posted - 2008.06.25 12:46:00 -
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The important thing to remember is that vegetarians are not Vegans..and few people are really vegan.
I know a few true vegans, and they have to work hard to stick to their lifestyle, the majority of their foods they have to grow themselves and they are still waiting for vegetarian food that does not contain milk or eggs.
They are limited in what medical aid they receive and what clothing they wear.
The health factors of such extreme diets are allways going to be caught up in rhetoric and mis-information.
A normal vegetarian diet is easy to sustain and can be as healthy as a diet that includes more meat..but then a vegetarian diet is just one end of a sliding scale of food intake, not a clearly defined stand alone diet.
THe problem I have with the fad for "healthy diets" is the overproduction of Soya, which lets be honest..is not a nice plant in the east it is eaten in small amounts, but now it has been adopted by the west it is in everything. And that type of mono-culture diet is bad.
There are allready studies linking the increase in Soya in western diets with the increase of allergies in our populations.
And the massive reliance on our allready endangered freshwater supplies.
With all the hype over "global warming" people tend to ignore that Water vapour is THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR to global warming, instead we like to focus on co2.. Of course with most the world having to live off of rice, which adds huge amounts of water vapour to the atmosphere, it would not be politic to mention it 
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:15:00 -
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I guess it doesn't mean anything, but don't you think it's funny that it's possible to get everything you need from plants, while on the other hand, you probably wouldnt survive that long if you only ate meat?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.25 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cyne Spurr
The important thing to remember is that vegetarians are not Vegans..and few people are really vegan.
I know a few true vegans, and they have to work hard to stick to their lifestyle, the majority of their foods they have to grow themselves and they are still waiting for vegetarian food that does not contain milk or eggs.
They are limited in what medical aid they receive and what clothing they wear.
Depending where you live, you could be surprised. There are 5 million vegetarians in the UK and over 1 million vegans. This can largely be attributed to the availability of good food in the UK. Although kudos on making that distinction between vegan and strict vegetarian - being a vegan means using no animal products in anything, even in clothing. You'll find most vegans draw the line at important medical aid. If there's a pill made with gelatine and one made without it, obviously they'd pick the one made without. If it's something like a blood transfusion or surgery they need, you'll struggle to find someone that would refuse it. There really is only so much you can do, animal products are used in everything from construction to electronics.
Originally by: Cyne Spurr
There are allready studies linking the increase in Soya in western diets with the increase of allergies in our populations.
The inroduction of soya to western diets has increased average allergy rates because some people are allergic to soya. I've never seen it linked to allergies for other things.
Originally by: Cyne Spurr
With all the hype over "global warming" people tend to ignore that Water vapour is THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR to global warming, instead we like to focus on co2..
That's because water vapour is part of the natural water cycle and CO2 levels in the atmosphere are the biggest thing we have dramatically changed in the past few centuries. Increased water vapour in the atmosphere creates increased cloud cover, which in turn reflects more solar radiation away from the planet's surface. It's also naive to think we can change the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere by even 1% by growing plants with high transpiration rates. The water cycle has existed for at least one hundred million years. The worst rice does is increase methane production, which is something cows and people do a lot more of.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: P'uck
I guess it doesn't mean anything, but don't you think it's funny that it's possible to get everything you need from plants, while on the other hand, you probably wouldnt survive that long if you only ate meat?
Not really considering we're omnivores not carnivores.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:54:00 -
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I still think it is, considering we're not really herbivores either.
Or did I miss somehting?
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:54:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 25/06/2008 19:02:50
Originally by: P'uck
I still think it is, considering we're not really herbivores either.
Or did I miss somehting?
There is however a good chance we were not too long ago. If I remember my biology right our appendix is basically a vestigial organ from a time when we ate grass, leaves and other rough vegetation so it stands to reason our bodies would be better designed to cope with an all vegetable diet.
It may also be thanks to civilisation (developing technology, trade etc) that makes a pure vegetable diet possible now by granting us access to a much wider range of foods and reducing the physical demands on our bodies (shelter, transport, super markets etc) although I'll admit this part is more just an assumption on my part.
- Edited my response since it didn't really answer the question right.
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Kathryn Dougans
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2008.06.25 19:57:00 -
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lots of animals like birds feed their young on meat (well insects anyway), but when adult don't eat anything like as much meat, sometimes being completely plant eating.
Are humans anything like the same? and thats why we have some meat-eating teeth, but mainly planteating teeth?
i.e. expected to eat meat for a while, so need the canine teeth, but since we only have 4 of them, and many more molar teeth which are more for grinding plants, then adults aren't really expected to eat much meat?
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:16:00 -
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It's true that we can't tolerate large amounts of meat very well in the long term. For example, a plant based diet contains absolutely no dietary cholesterol even if it contains a lot of oil and our bodies are not very good at dealing with large amounts of dietary cholesterol. Natural carnivores have digestive systems that can tolerate either rotting meat or gorge eating as well as bodies that can tolerate high dietary cholesterol. If our dietary cholesterol intake gets too high, we can get life-threatening buildup on artery walls. It was once thought that a blood cholesterol level that was too low would be harmful but this was later disproven. The cholesterol we need is manufactured in the liver, it's the excess from dietary sources that clog up your arteries and can lead to heart attack.
Originally by: Wild Rho
It may also be thanks to civilisation (developing technology, trade etc) that makes a pure vegetable diet possible now by granting us access to a much wider range of foods and reducing the physical demands on our bodies (shelter, transport, super markets etc) although I'll admit this part is more just an assumption on my part.
Again, some of the world's top athletes are vegan so it's clearly not about reducing demands on our bodies. In fact, vegan diets are not a relatively new thing, some eastern religions and groups have practiced a vegan way of life for thousands of years. Organisations like the world health organisation even acknowledge that (as someone pointed out earlier) using meat for a large percentage of your caloric intake is not reccomended. I've met a lot of people who think that a diet with no meat in it is automatically nutritionally second-class but there's no basis for that assumption. Our understanding of nutritional science has gotten pretty advanced in recent decades and it has been proven without a doubt that there is nothing you can get from meat that you can't get in a well-balanced plant-based diet. A professional nutritionalist will tell you that.
Something that's only really happened in the past century is that large quantities of meat and other processed foods are now available dirt cheap in the developed world. Historically, meat has always been a luxury item that the rich had a lot of and the poor didn't. A massive study in rural china where this is still true strongly linked rate of animal product consumption to death rates by diseases of affluence. The people there that could afford to eat a lot of meat were well-nourished but tended to die mostly of heart disease, cancer, stroke etc. The poor, in contrast, subsisted on a mostly plant based diet with little meat and despite the environmental factors being the same, their rates of heart disease etc were extremely small.
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Posted - 2008.06.25 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
lots of animals like birds feed their young on meat (well insects anyway), but when adult don't eat anything like as much meat, sometimes being completely plant eating.
Are humans anything like the same? and thats why we have some meat-eating teeth, but mainly planteating teeth?
i.e. expected to eat meat for a while, so need the canine teeth, but since we only have 4 of them, and many more molar teeth which are more for grinding plants, then adults aren't really expected to eat much meat?
when it comes to milk, maybe. babies are fed the mother's milk but humans are the only species that decided to drink other species' milk as adults.
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kathryn Dougans
i.e. expected to eat meat for a while, so need the canine teeth, but since we only have 4 of them, and many more molar teeth which are more for grinding plants, then adults aren't really expected to eat much meat?
Unlikely when you consider several things...
1) We don't eat meat as babies as we don't have any teeth yet, we take milk.
2) We have both a baby set and adult set of teeth. If we were only meant to eat meat at a very young age the odds are that our adult set would not have some carnivorous teeth. It wouldn't make alot of sense from a natural selection view to maintain a tooth configuration that's only useful for a small portion of our life.
Being omnivorous does not explicitly mean that we can subsist on either an all meat or all plant based diet nor does it mean we our bodies can tolerate both forms of food to equal degrees. We are omnivorous because our bodies are equipped to manage that diet even if we do have a strong herbivorous bias.
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Wild Rho
It may also be thanks to civilisation (developing technology, trade etc) that makes a pure vegetable diet possible now by granting us access to a much wider range of foods and reducing the physical demands on our bodies (shelter, transport, super markets etc) although I'll admit this part is more just an assumption on my part.
Again, some of the world's top athletes are vegan so it's clearly not about reducing demands on our bodies.
I disagree with this as I honestly believe that without things such as clothing, heated homes/shelters etc it wouldn't be possible to survive winter months in many temperate and cooler climates without a diet that contained meat as it contains a great deal of fat (both a useful source of energy and a good heat insulator for the human body).
Not to mention there is no guarantee that all the necessary food sources would be available in a given location (you mentioned potatoes being part of your diet yet those were originally not native to our country and were infact imported).
I won't pretend that in todays world an all vegetable based diet isn't fine and I'll agree its healthier but its not something I'd personally chose simply because I enjoy meat. I'd rather have an unhealthier and probably shorter life enjoying my food than being healthy but miserable. I don't have a problem with people that chose not to eat meat either, its just the preachy ones that annoy me.
Originally by: Nyphur
Our understanding of nutritional science has gotten pretty advanced in recent decades and it has been proven without a doubt that there is nothing you can get from meat that you can't get in a well-balanced plant-based diet. A professional nutritionalist will tell you that.
I am really shocked this would be considered a revelation when all meat is basically a plant derivative (plants turned into meat through consumption by herbivores and passed up the food chain).
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GIC0
Understandable Solutions
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Posted - 2008.06.26 01:39:00 -
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I am hardly an expert, but I am pretty sure that creatine is only present in meat and fish. Granted the body produces it, but I could imagine that a professional vegetarian athlete would need to take it as a supplement.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Nyphur
Again, some of the world's top athletes are vegan so it's clearly not about reducing demands on our bodies.
I disagree with this as I honestly believe that without things such as clothing, heated homes/shelters etc it wouldn't be possible to survive winter months in many temperate and cooler climates without a diet that contained meat as it contains a great deal of fat (both a useful source of energy and a good heat insulator for the human body).
The problem I have with this argument of yours (that without technological advances made in the history of man, man would be unable to be vegan) is that to make the argument correct, it has to be drawn out almost to the point of absurdity. You're having to put outlandish stipulations on it like "what if clothes had never been invented", "what if it's a harsh winter" and "what if shelter didn't exist?". Ignoring for the moment that plant oils are no less useful for producing body fat than animal fat (my jiggly belly and the fat vegans community will attest to that), that's far from what your original assertion was. The original assertion I was responding to was that reduced demand on our bodies is a factor in people being able to healthilly go vegan today.
If you can see it from my perspective, it sounds almost as if you're saying that a vegan diet is automatically deficient compared to one containing meat but that reduced demand on our bodies means we can live fine like that. But that's not the case, a plant-based diet is not inherently deficient in anything and any nutritionalist worth their salt will tell you that.
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Not to mention there is no guarantee that all the necessary food sources would be available in a given location (you mentioned potatoes being part of your diet yet those were originally not native to our country and were infact imported).
So without trade by sea, people in Ireland would not be able to be vegan due to a lack of potatoes? That makes some sense I suppose but potatoes are not the sole source of anything we need in our diets. They're just a good source that grows well and without it, vegetables, grains and pulses that are native to Ireland can supply everything a person needs if they eat properly.
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I don't have a problem with people that chose not to eat meat either, its just the preachy ones that annoy me.
Just wondering, am I being preachy? I mean you know me, I really only talk about the topic when it's brought up. Don't think I've ever really talked about it to you before but if I'm getting preachy, let me know.
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Our understanding of nutritional science has gotten pretty advanced in recent decades and it has been proven without a doubt that there is nothing you can get from meat that you can't get in a well-balanced plant-based diet. A professional nutritionalist will tell you that.
I am really shocked this would be considered a revelation when all meat is basically a plant derivative (plants turned into meat through consumption by herbivores and passed up the food chain).
That's not how it works exactly. If we take cows as an example, they have very few essential amino acids (ones they need to get in their diet). Their digestive systems (I think it's actually bacteria in their digestive systems) can synthesise amino acids they aren't getting from some that they have an excess of. Our bodies can do the same to a degree but there are eight that we can't synthesise from scratch and need to get in our diets. If you ate nothing but grass, you'd never get all of them no matter how much you ate because it simply isn't there. Because of its ability to synthesise some amino acids we can't, a cow's muscle will contain amino acids that were not present in its food. We can eat the cow's muscle tissue to get that but eating a varied plant diet will provide adequate amounts of them all too
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: GIC0
I am hardly an expert, but I am pretty sure that creatine is only present in meat and fish. Granted the body produces it, but I could imagine that a professional vegetarian athlete would need to take it as a supplement.
Creatine supplements are synthetic and vegan. What's interesting is that because they don't get creatine in their diet, vegan athletes actually get a bigger performance boost out of supplementing with it.
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Van Hubern
Purifying Flame - Phoenix Reborn
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Posted - 2008.06.26 09:37:00 -
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A nice thing about living in a rich country like the USA, is that even vegetarians have a large selection of junk food at many supermarkets.
Pizza, chili, chips, cookies, burritos, enchiladas, ice cream - it's not all rabbit food. Also tasty stuff like strawberries and melon, of course.
Or as my disgusted father likes to tell me, "Well, you're certainly not losing any weight." 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2008.06.26 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Wild Rho on 26/06/2008 10:59:36
Originally by: Nyphur
The problem I have with this argument of yours (that without technological advances made in the history of man, man would be unable to be vegan) is that to make the argument correct, it has to be drawn out almost to the point of absurdity.
I understand where you're coming from but I disagree with the examples being absurd. The examples I quoted were simplistic but are very much based in reality (how well would we survive now without even the most basic products of civilisation that we are so used to that we don't even think about them).
My arguments aren't really based on being vegan or vegetarian in the modern days but arguing against that humans are actually herbivorous, which is why most of my examples are talking about times before we had what we would recognise as civilisation and technology. I do believe we have a heavier herbivorous bias either due to natural selection encouraging that development or because we were of herbivorous decent but that's all.
Originally by: Nyphur
If you can see it from my perspective, it sounds almost as if you're saying that a vegan diet is automatically deficient compared to one containing meat but that reduced demand on our bodies means we can live fine like that. But that's not the case, a plant-based diet is not inherently deficient in anything and any nutritionalist worth their salt will tell you that.
I wouldn't say more deficient at all but certainly more constrictive (not really in todays world but it might be in a time with less food available). Again its one reason why I argue against the case we are herbivorous as there is a distinct advantage in having a wider range food sources even if one source is alot healthier than the other.
Originally by: Nyphur
So without trade by sea, people in Ireland would not be able to be vegan due to a lack of potatoes? That makes some sense I suppose but potatoes are not the sole source of anything we need in our diets. They're just a good source that grows well and without it, vegetables, grains and pulses that are native to Ireland can supply everything a person needs if they eat properly.
Fair point although without farming those food sources wouldn't be concentrated in one dense area, as healthy (competitor plants, pests, disease etc) or as abundant - admittedly an assumption.
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I don't have a problem with people that chose not to eat meat either, its just the preachy ones that annoy me.
Just wondering, am I being preachy? I mean you know me, I really only talk about the topic when it's brought up. Don't think I've ever really talked about it to you before but if I'm getting preachy, let me know.
Ha no, you're not being preachy at all. You're defending your stance on the subject and are doing a good job since you actually know what you're talking about where as I can admit I'm making alot of assumptions.
Originally by: Nyphur
That's not how it works exactly. If we take cows as an example, they have very few essential amino acids (ones they need to get in their diet). Their digestive systems (I think it's actually bacteria in their digestive systems) can synthesise amino acids they aren't getting from some that they have an excess of. Our bodies can do the same to a degree but there are eight that we can't synthesise from scratch and need to get in our diets. If you ate nothing but grass, you'd never get all of them no matter how much you ate because it simply isn't there. Because of its ability to synthesise some amino acids we can't, a cow's muscle will contain amino acids that were not present in its food. We can eat the cow's muscle tissue to get that but eating a varied plant diet will provide adequate amounts of them all too
That's actually kind of what I meant about being passed up the food chain but you put it better than I did , the raw materials for any meat is still derived from plants, it just comes down to a matter of processing.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.26 14:24:00 -
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I'm a bit of strange person tbh, I get called a vegetarion but I'll eat meat as long as it's wild. This obviously pretty much restricts me to fish but if I went out into the wilderness for a fishing/hunting trip I'd have no problem in eating what I've caught.
Due to this very limited amount of meat that I've eaten though I've never had it enough to miss it in the first place and although I do like the smell of a good piece of meat being cooked, I don't want it just because everyone else it eating it... I'm quite happy with the nice fresh trout I caught 30 minutes ago 
I do hate people who can't live without meat though and who think that vegetarians are idiots and missing out on a large portion of their intended diet because it's being ignorant beyond belif to have that opinion. I'm a skinny person and I've had countless people tell me it's because I don't eat meat which just isn't true, I just have a metabolism that could do a 100m sprint faster than a superbike.
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Bom Bast
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Edited by: Bom Bast on 26/06/2008 15:24:27
First off, Britian's 'natural' food supply was imported in from Mainland europes. Most of Europes natural crops came from Africa and Asia. Roughly 13000 years ago I believe... I'll bust out my book tomorrow when I'm not so tired.
Second, I couldn't live without meat, and in general I try to stay away from veggies (I can't stand them, with the exception to carrots and fried/baked potato products, like chips and fries). I eat a crap load of bread though.
I'm curious about these vegetarian athletes... please give me some names. I'm not saying your lieing, I've just never heard of any. Most vegetarians I've met (admittidly few) have been small individuals, with weak bodies (though their stamina seems unaffected).
Vegetarians bother me for two reasons.
One, the 'ethical' vegetarian will tell me I'm killing dozens of animals a day to live, and that's cruel (its funny when they say this while eating a fish). The simple fact is, if I didn't eat them, a wolf would. We were meant to eat meat (omnivores are superior because we eat EVERYTHING) and plants. Eating animals is no more murder then chopping down trees is.
Two, that it's 'healthier.' It isn't. I eat meat, I'm healthy. And I've never met a nutritionist who told me to switch to a vegetarian diet. I've never met a vegetarian that could out perform me in any capacity.
I know this is incoherent (I am tired) so I'll stop... but one last thing...
Everyone who says meat makes them ill... that's because you don't eat it enough. Your body will gear up for the food you've been eating, and when you throw it an odd ball, it wont like it. That's why I get sick last time I tried to eat a salad, and that's why the once a year chicken tears through your colon like a typhoon.
And by the way, I'm looking for a vegetarian to adobt for the 'For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat three' program. Message me in game. :D
Disclaimer: If your a vegetarian, I have no beef with you. Get it?
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The fun sheet posted previously has several issues and misdirections. I'll point them out in the morning.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 26/06/2008 15:25:26
Originally by: Bom Bast
I know this is incoherent (I am tired) so I'll stop...
That's because you eat too much MEAT!!!
Kidding
and I am a meat eater because I worship the Ren & Stimpy character, Kowalski and he ALWAYS wanted meat.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bast
First off, Britian's 'natural' food supply was imported in from Mainland europes. Most of Europes natural crops came from Africa and Asia. Roughly 13000 years ago I believe... I'll bust out my book tomorrow when I'm not so tired.
That's not Britains natural food supply, it may be what we eat but it was what was naturally here.
Originally by: Bom Bast
I'm curious about these vegetarian athletes... please give me some names. I'm not saying your lieing, I've just never heard of any.
A simple google searh will turn up a few, don't be so lazy
Originally by: Bom Bast
Most vegetarians I've met (admittidly few) have been small individuals, with weak bodies (though their stamina seems unaffected).
This is because they are silly vegetarians who don't do enough to compensate for what they are missing from meat.
Originally by: Bom Bast
One, the 'ethical' vegetarian will tell me I'm killing dozens of animals a day to live, and that's cruel (its funny when they say this while eating a fish). The simple fact is, if I didn't eat them, a wolf would.
A wolf wouldn't eat them because they are shut up in a big shed. That logic is why I only eat wild animals (it just happens to be that fish is the only wild animal you can readily buy).
Originally by: Bom Bast
I've never met a vegetarian that could out perform me in any capacity.
I'll happily bet you large quantities of money that I could beat you to the top of somewhere like Tryfan if your ever in the area
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Edited by: Bom Bast on 26/06/2008 22:01:26
Now that, probably... the Army has ruined my knees, and I don't think I can go that far up without shattering my hip joints. :( Not a diet issue, job issue.
And I didnt mean to point you out with the fish thing.. I have met people, honestly, who think I'm murdering animals (wild or otherwise) by eatting meat, yet will eat fish. When asked? A fish apperently, isn't an intelligent animal.
I don't know what got in their mind that told them cows, pigs and chickens are intelligent...
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Okay, and I want to clarify: I don't have anything against vegetarians (I think your crazy, but I dont hold that against anyone); I have a problem with the VOCAL vegetarian.
And I would have, but it was 1:30 AM in the morning when I posted in this forum... and now I have 20 minutes to get to work. If names havn't been posted by this afternoon, then I'll google it up.
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Hae t'Redd
Ishukone Black Watch
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Posted - 2008.06.27 05:18:00 -
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I think Dennis Leary said it best.
"Not eating meat is a decision, eating meat is an INSTINCT!"
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.27 05:20:00 -
[72]
I eat what I want 
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.27 05:32:00 -
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Vegans and Vegetarians get their Protein by eating stuff like Tofu and nuts usually - however I am not a health professional, so I can't really say if that has the proper proteins and vitamins a human being needs to be healthy.
Some Vegitarians and Vegans do what they do because they simpily want to be healthy, though I suppose that is to a extreme - you can be healthy as a omnivere very easily. This could also be an act as a humanitarian and animal rights thing, however that can at times be seen as a extreme act too - depends on the story behind the person.
I've met a let of Veitariasn and Vegans before and most of them I've known to be... odd. A lot of them all had one thing in common - they were obsessed about what they ate, where its been, what is in it. The worst one, in example, was a chick who was a Vegan - she wouldn't eat anything that was from outside the US, and she wouldn't eat anything that she didn't make - or oversee being made.
She was obsessed with chemicals and non-organic stuff in her food, that could cause her to be ill - though it was though that she may of been a little more than Vegan in the head. She ate very strange and foreign things, and cooked them in a strange way - such as goat *********, oxe tounges, and tons of liver.
She also made a lot of soups with different things, like chickadees, cale, etc. She had to soak all the vegetables for 24 hours in cold water overnight before she cooked her stew though - dunno why. I had some of it before and I had a hell of a time trying to swallow it all - my stomach hurt for weeks, literally.
I would, honestly, be willing to starve before going on a diet such as that for more than a week - I'd probably die from drowning in my own vomit on that diet.
The vegetarians and Vegans who got it together will eat things less odd and weird, and arnt so obsessed over it - however unfortunatly the ones I met were pretty woo-hoo.
But yea, tofu and nuts are the source of protein for vegetarians - though I don't know if that has everything a human needs. I believe you can, and it works, however I wouldn't be able to stand it for very long myself. I guess if the feeling against eating meat is intense enough, if you obsess enough, you can do it - especially if you did this from a very young age.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.27 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 27/06/2008 05:34:00
The reason for it is probably health above all - but my main reason why I couldn't stand either is not because of no meat - it's because its a second job watching what you eat.
What's the point in a uptight, stiff, paranoid life of obsessing over your health? I rather live a short, carefree, but enjoyable life if I had to choose between the two extremes.
Caring for your body is good and all, but you'll still have tons of problems with your body if your mind is sick - your mental health is the most important of all, your psychical health goes to **** without this.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.27 06:46:00 -
[75]
Vegeterian = old indian word for "bad hunter"
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.06.27 07:04:00 -
[76]
"Do what thou wilt" shall be the whole of the law.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.27 07:16:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Fink Angel
"Do what thou wilt" shall be the whole of the law.
Right after "Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself"
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Mark Lucius
Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.06.27 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Mark Lucius on 27/06/2008 07:49:26
About the discussion earlier in this thread about humans being able to sustain a herbivorous diet and not a carnivorous one:
While this is true now, I seriously doubt this was the case before man became civilised (ie. towns and stuff). Back then it was near impossible to put together a diet that was varied enough to sustain a human for longer periods of time using just the local, non-animal food. They had to balance their intake, with (as said before) a bias towards a vegetarian diet.
All the arguments in this thread considered there seems to be no real reason become a vegetarian if you are a meat-eater, or to become a meat-eater if you are a vegetarian. Other than personal preference ofcourse.
I like meat.
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Fink Angel
Caldari
The Merry Men
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Posted - 2008.06.27 08:10:00 -
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If animals weren't supposed to be eaten, why are they made of meat?
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.27 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Dheorl on 27/06/2008 10:18:29
Originally by: Amastat
I rather live a short, carefree, but enjoyable life if I had to choose between the two extremes.
Are you saying that vegetarians can't do that? Just because you don't eat meat it doesn't mean you obsess over everything you eat.
Reading back through this thread I may cry in despair for some of your mental health if some of those arguments for not being a vegetarian were serious.
BTW I'm not trying to say being a vegetarian is the right thing to do, I'm just saying that it can in no way be classed as a wrong thing to do.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.28 09:20:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Fink Angel
If animals weren't supposed to be eaten, why are they made of meat?
You're made of meat.
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Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.06.28 10:30:00 -
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That sounds an endorsement for cannibalism to me! * grabs the ketchup.
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Dheorl
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.06.28 11:17:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Fink Angel
If animals weren't supposed to be eaten, why are they made of meat?
You're made of meat.
You sir, have just won.
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Azure Skyclad
Amarr
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:11:00 -
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I was a vegetarian for 12 years and had no complaints about the lifestyle. Mind you, i have no regrets about turning back to the darkside either.
Having said that, within months of starting to eat meat again i began to feel generally better within myself and i began to lose weight. I was either a bad vegetarian or eating meat just suits me.
As for supplements, the only one which springs to mind is vegans needing to secure a source of vitamin B12 as you can't get it from anything other than meat, eggs and dairy. You can get a variant of B12 from soya and some other sources but it is in a form which makes it unavailable to humans. There were other nutrients which are difficult for vegans to source but i can't recall them. This was the source of the problem i had with veganism; If you have to supplement your diet through artificial means then there is something wrong with the diet.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.06.28 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Azure Skyclad
I'd be interested to hear from vegans how they tackle this issue. I assume pills but *shrugs* dunno tbh.
I'm vegan and I'm fine with taking B12 fortified foods and the odd supplement. I also know my diet isn't perfect and the occasional B-complex, zinc or calcium supplement lets me be lazy and not bother planning my meals obsessively. I can see why people try to equate a "vegan" diet with a "natural" diet but I couldn't care less if my diet is natural. We have supplements and we know what the human body needs so why not take advantage of what modern science has to offer? I usually do eat fine without supplementing but it's handy to have the option when I can't be bothered with anything more than chips and beans.
BTW, any B12 you find in soya products will be bioavailible. It's produced in a lab just like the B12 used in supplements and is artificially added to the food.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 20:59:00 -
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The only reason we don't eat people is because it's illegal
Or am I the only one that doesn't for that reason?
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