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Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:01:00 - [1] I think I understand the concept of can flipping, yet I am not entirely sure...would some kind griefer care to tutor me in the basics? ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!ありがとごあ
Dr Paithos Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:24:00 - [2] 1) drop one unit of ammo in a can next to someone elses can 2) drag everything from their can into yours 3) you are now flashy red to them/their corp 4) wait for them to attack you/steal the stuff back 5) ??? 6) profit
Sergei Andropov	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:25:00 - [3] Edited by: Sergei Andropov on 23/06/2008 23:25:33 Thank you Dr. Paithos :) Edit: silly alt
Eternal Error Exitus Acta Probant	Posted - 2008.06.23 23:45:00 - [4] It's much simpler to just shoot their can than waste your time flipping it. Make sure you are in a fully rigged and expensive ship though.
Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:10:00 - [5] Originally by: Eternal Error It's much simpler to just shoot their can than waste your time flipping it. Make sure you are in a fully rigged and expensive ship though. You try and trick me, sir! Surely that would get me Concord'd ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!ありがとごあ
Boknamar The Knights Trevor	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:11:00 - [6] Edited by: Boknamar on 24/06/2008 00:12:46 Originally by: Eternal Error It's much simpler to just shoot their can than waste your time flipping it. Make sure you are in a fully rigged and expensive ship though. Why would you tell him something like that? That's a borderline exploit that gets the can's owner Concorded. What an ******* thing to do.
DubanFP Four Rings Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:20:00 - [7] Edited by: DubanFP on 24/06/2008 00:23:19 Originally by: Boknamar Edited by: Boknamar on 24/06/2008 00:12:46 Originally by: Eternal Error It's much simpler to just shoot their can than waste your time flipping it. Make sure you are in a fully rigged and expensive ship though. Why would you tell him something like that? That's a borderline exploit that gets the can's owner Concorded. What an ******* thing to do. Does it matter? A couple days ago CCP stated it's not an exploit since the shooter dies too so it's not like you'll get in trouble for it. Besides it only works if you do enough damage to kill the can 3-4 times over in the first shot anyways. Only battleships/battlecruisers with long range weapons can pull that off. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:27:00 - [8] Quote: Does it matter? A couple days ago CCP stated it's not an exploit since the shooter dies too so it's not like you'll get in trouble for it. Besides it only works if you do enough damage to kill the can 3-4 times over in the first shot anyways. Only battleships/battlecruisers with long range weapons can pull that off. I am curious - what is this thing about shooting the can in the first instance? ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!私たちは一番&#
DubanFP Four Rings Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Gorki Andropov I am curious - what is this thing about shooting the can in the first instance? I edited my last post as you were responding. Anyways, i'm going over to friends house. Someone else will have to finish. It's loads of fun. _______________ ReiAyanami> We bring you tidings of AARRRRRRRRR
EnslaverOfMinmatar Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:38:00 - [10] if you steal the ore into your can and the carebear comes in an indy to grab his ore, blow up your can with the ore. then laugh while reading local

Vaden Khale the united	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:38:00 - [11] Ignore these other people. They will lead you false. If you want to learn the precepts of can-flipping, heed well my words. 1. Go find a can floating in space, preferably near a miner. 2. Realize you're being a noob trying to bait gunless ships into 'PvP' 3. Go to low sec and 0.0 so someone can kill you repeatedly. 4. ???? 5. Profit. I will not lie to you, though I will deceive you.
Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.24 00:50:00 - [12] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar if you steal the ore into your can and the carebear comes in an indy to grab his ore, blow up your can with the ore. then laugh while reading local I am ignoring the post above me, but this advice ^^ is perfect, and you have set me on my way sir. I thank you! :0 ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!私たちは一番&#
Galexn	Posted - 2008.06.24 01:08:00 - [13] Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar if you steal the ore into your can and the carebear comes in an indy to grab his ore, blow up your can with the ore. then laugh while reading local So you put his ore into your can and blow up up. But what does that do? Wouldn't it just mean he lost his ore? Or does he get in trouble?
Nexus Kinnon Fusion Enterprises Ltd Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.06.24 01:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Galexn Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar if you steal the ore into your can and the carebear comes in an indy to grab his ore, blow up your can with the ore. then laugh while reading local So you put his ore into your can and blow up up. But what does that do? Wouldn't it just mean he lost his ore? Or does he get in trouble? it creates entertaining local chat
Sin Fae Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2008.06.24 02:02:00 - [15] First thing you should ask yourself it: Do I want to thief, or blow ships up? Then check out this vid Ore Theif Video ~S~
Tenuo Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Vaden Khale Ignore these other people. They will lead you false. If you want to learn the precepts of can-flipping, heed well my words. 1. Go find a can floating in space, preferably near a miner. 2. Realize you're being a noob trying to bait gunless ships into 'PvP' 3. Go to low sec and 0.0 so someone can kill you repeatedly. 4. ???? 5. Profit. Shoo, go camp rancer about it ;) _______________________________________________________________________________ EVE Online: The Hand-holding Age The truth about balance is that it doesn't exist.
Dariah Stardweller Kuruwasu Industries	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Boknamar Edited by: Boknamar on 24/06/2008 00:12:46 Originally by: Eternal Error It's much simpler to just shoot their can than waste your time flipping it. Make sure you are in a fully rigged and expensive ship though. Why would you tell him something like that? That's a borderline exploit that gets the can's owner Concorded. What an ******* thing to do. Shooting at someone elses can gets the owner of that can concorded?
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.24 08:24:00 - [18] Few extra bits and blobs, here's what I always do; - have an alt with passive targeter and ship scanner - warp both to the belt, while approaching the can scan down the ship to make sure it's not a trap, also to check if it's worthwhile to ransom (cargo rigs) - click info on the can and see who the owner is, set him red, If he's in a player corp the the corp red (and not the player only, like I just did... and I didn't realise the Astarte that warped in was a corpie, ouch). Scroll through local to see what's going on, keep doing that - drop 1 ammo, flip the can. Have drones on your overview, if he has drones out target them, make sure you can target one extra for the ship itself but don't do it yet - if he doesn't react instantly start moving away as if you're trying to run away, sometimes that sparks the attack - if he warps out or you see corp members in local start moving off the plane, go 150+km up or down from the belt and BM it, I use "x-x above/below" as bm names. If at all possible make one both above as below, tactical BM's are great - also send alt to the station if he went there, set at the undock point and scan him down once he undocks again - if he has corpies in the belt find out which one you can actually kill solo, preferably the longest range one and get into his range and hope he agresses you. Stick around (while outside range of the others) till corp agression timer runs out, warp back in from your above/below pojnt straight on the, now, 1 target and attack it. - Hope the others are idiots and attack you anyway, Concord will have some fun with them (if at all possible try to hit anyone once who is about to get Concordokend so you can check what they lost :P) - have a BC class ship (or bigger) at the ready with a proper pvp fit, if they bring in bigger guns you KNOW you can take wait out the corp timer and switch ships. That or just kill the drones and then open the pinata if he agresses right away :)
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:20:00 - [19] If you have an alt account and you're more interested in stealing ore than pewpew, here's what I do.. - Main account in a rookie ship (they come with a unit of trit which is quite handy for can flips), alt in a hauler with a tractor beam and a rack of expanded cargoholds. - Main account looks through belts for cans (being handy with the onboard scanner speeds things up considerably here). - Once you find a can, warp to the belt, approach the can if close, BM it, warp out, warp to zero on the can if not close. - Alt account warps to first account, at a distance that will drop them 15-20kms from the can - Flip, tractor, warp main to SS while alt collects the loot. - Drop off a station, rinse, repeat Not good for kills but it does gather lots of ore / ice.
Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Tzar'rim Few extra bits and blobs, here's what I always do; - have an alt with passive targeter and ship scanner - warp both to the belt, while approaching the can scan down the ship to make sure it's not a trap, also to check if it's worthwhile to ransom (cargo rigs) - click info on the can and see who the owner is, set him red, If he's in a player corp the the corp red (and not the player only, like I just did... and I didn't realise the Astarte that warped in was a corpie, ouch). Scroll through local to see what's going on, keep doing that - drop 1 ammo, flip the can. Have drones on your overview, if he has drones out target them, make sure you can target one extra for the ship itself but don't do it yet - if he doesn't react instantly start moving away as if you're trying to run away, sometimes that sparks the attack - if he warps out or you see corp members in local start moving off the plane, go 150+km up or down from the belt and BM it, I use "x-x above/below" as bm names. If at all possible make one both above as below, tactical BM's are great - also send alt to the station if he went there, set at the undock point and scan him down once he undocks again - if he has corpies in the belt find out which one you can actually kill solo, preferably the longest range one and get into his range and hope he agresses you. Stick around (while outside range of the others) till corp agression timer runs out, warp back in from your above/below pojnt straight on the, now, 1 target and attack it. - Hope the others are idiots and attack you anyway, Concord will have some fun with them (if at all possible try to hit anyone once who is about to get Concordokend so you can check what they lost :P) - have a BC class ship (or bigger) at the ready with a proper pvp fit, if they bring in bigger guns you KNOW you can take wait out the corp timer and switch ships. That or just kill the drones and then open the pinata if he agresses right away :) Excellent advice, Tzar'rim, thank you and all the others who replied here ;0 ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!私たちは一番&#

HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Sergei Andropov Edited by: Sergei Andropov on 23/06/2008 23:25:33 Thank you Dr. Paithos :) Edit: silly alt haha we found out who Sergei's main is!
Demitria Fernir Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:45:00 - [22] 1. take an alt with a little bumpship. a thorax is fine too. 2. make the bumpship warp on to belt, be sure to fit it with miners II. 3. bump the industrial/barge out of scooping range. 4. flip the can wth thorax 5. main warps in with industrial, take can, warp away 6. watch curses in local 7. petition 8. ??? 9. PROFIT 10. Post on C&P 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001 I will Conquer My Signature Somewhere in the future 10100110010100101010011010100101001100101110101001
Commander Thrawn the united	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:46:00 - [23] Originally by: Tenuo Originally by: Vaden Khale Ignore these other people. They will lead you false. If you want to learn the precepts of can-flipping, heed well my words. 1. Go find a can floating in space, preferably near a miner. 2. Realize you're being a noob trying to bait gunless ships into 'PvP' 3. Go to low sec and 0.0 so someone can kill you repeatedly. 4. ???? 5. Profit. Shoo, go camp rancer about it ;) Maybe he will.
Gorki Andropov Free Kings of Life	Posted - 2008.06.24 11:58:00 - [24] Originally by: HONORABLEWARRIORSWIFE Originally by: Sergei Andropov Edited by: Sergei Andropov on 23/06/2008 23:25:33 Thank you Dr. Paithos :) Edit: silly alt haha we found out who Sergei's main is! Ya you did! Congratulations - but it was never really supposed to be hidden well ;) ----------------------------------------------- 何だよ？こちらはFree　Kings　of Life!私たちは一番&#
Commander Rokwell	Posted - 2008.06.24 12:41:00 - [25] Yarr!!
Lakche	Posted - 2008.06.25 04:54:00 - [26] If you take ore from their can and put it into your own, and then shoot it, you'll be flagged as an aggressor. Sounds like it'd be much safer to just blast their can all in one shot, and warp off. That is, atleast until CCP fixes the exploit so that CONCORD attacks you, like it's supposed to, but knowing them it'll take ages. In the mean time, happy griefing!
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Lakche If you take ore from their can and put it into your own, and then shoot it, you'll be flagged as an aggressor. Sounds like it'd be much safer to just blast their can all in one shot, and warp off. That is, atleast until CCP fixes the exploit so that CONCORD attacks you, like it's supposed to, but knowing them it'll take ages. In the mean time, happy griefing! Nice try
Italian Wedding Soup Of The Day	Posted - 2008.06.25 09:59:00 - [28] All your advice is horrible. I have never stolen ore before but I can already see cloaking up to a can and waiting for the miner to leave and get his hauler and THEN switching the cans so that when he comes back he hasn't a clue he will be taking the ore from your can unless he is really paying attention. Then uncloak in your stupid little recon/bomber/whateveryouthinkyourleetin and blow him up.
Vargrh Virulence.	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:11:00 - [29] Find a person mining in a cluster of hulks all on macro, petition exploit ccp for macro mining 'farmer'... sit back and steal ore from the macro miners cans.. Bet isk with corpmates on how long it take GM to respond to petition and whether they do anything at all to stop the macro miner...
AKULA UrQuan Druuge Crimson Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.25 15:20:00 - [30] If you really want to see a spicy local. Flip the can as normal. Then target and destroy your own can that has the ore in it.



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