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Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:07:00 - [1] I had seen for many Sci-Fi genres - Star Wars, Star Trek, even Babylon 5 I think, have books like these. They would be complete with specs, stats, blueprints, and cros-sections of the ships and the full interiors. The most amazing stuff, that probably a lot of us have seen, were these books of Star Wars ships - It would be awesome to have one of all the ships in EVE. I imagine thats a lot of artwork to be done, but perhaps this would be a project that CCP's Art Department might even enjoy, despite the cruel hours put into the book? I imagine it would sell well, and be a must-buy for EVE fans. I don't know what everyones else feelings on this are though - what does everyone else have to say about such a book - would you buy it? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:07:00 - [2] I had seen for many Sci-Fi genres - Star Wars, Star Trek, even Babylon 5 I think, have books like these. They would be complete with specs, stats, blueprints, and cros-sections of the ships and the full interiors. The most amazing stuff, that probably a lot of us have seen, were these books of Star Wars ships - It would be awesome to have one of all the ships in EVE. I imagine thats a lot of artwork to be done, but perhaps this would be a project that CCP's Art Department might even enjoy, despite the cruel hours put into the book? I imagine it would sell well, and be a must-buy for EVE fans. I don't know what everyones else feelings on this are though - what does everyone else have to say about such a book - would you buy it? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Nikita Alterana	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:12:00 - [3] yes __________________________________________________
Nikita Alterana	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:12:00 - [4] yes __________________________________________________
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:38:00 - [5] yeah http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3OZ1EDzvp0
Mangala Solaris Ma'adim Logistics	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:39:00 - [6] Originally by: Nikita Alterana yes -------
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.24 05:43:00 - [7] God I would love to see such a book ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
defiler Mad Hermit	Posted - 2008.06.24 06:28:00 - [8] Hell yeah! One thing of particular interest to me (at least right now) is the differences between T1 and T2 hull variations. As I understand it, T1 ships are good old fashioned designs retrofitted for capsules, whereas T2 has been gutted and redesigned specifically for capsule integration. While similar on the outside I'd imagine there's some striking differences on the inside with much of the crew space replaced by more powerful and largely automated systems... Would be fun to see, and I'd be willing to pay dearly to get my hands on a copy. Mad Hermit corporation Minding our own business since 2004
Aeo IV Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.06.24 06:31:00 - [9] YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:20:00 - [10] Talk to Dorling Kindersly (spelling?). They do that stuff. And ... yes. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Rhanna Khurin Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:36:00 - [11] I have loads of those sort of books. Ultimate in toilet reading material.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:41:00 - [12] I'd buy that for $2! Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Jei'son Bladesmith The Storm Knights The Cool Kids Club	Posted - 2008.06.24 07:43:00 - [13] /emote thinks about the concept. oh yes. OH yes. OOOHHH YES. YES YESY EYSEYSEYSYESYEYESYESYE AAHHHHHHHHHHHH dammit, someone hand me a towel
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 15:42:00 - [14] We need to write a formal letter to CCP suggesting they do this or something null ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Kyra Felann Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:13:00 - [15] I 500% support this idea. I'd buy one for sure! I love background material like this--it makes the world seem more real.
Donna Heywood Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:28:00 - [16] How about this ? Imperial Apoc Schematic
Arvald Aurora Acclivitous Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:46:00 - [17] oh my god yes, i will personally buy everyone at ccp a bree if they made this Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you *are* paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face)
Quincunx Subspace Anomaly	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:47:00 - [18] It might be drawn, or at least parts of it, like these star trek bridges.
Straight Chillen Solar Wind Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:49:00 - [19] PLEASEEEEEEEEE. I promise to send a "special care" package to ccp if they can do this.
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 16:58:00 - [20] Edited by: Amastat on 26/06/2008 17:01:39 Edited by: Amastat on 26/06/2008 17:00:30 Originally by: Donna Heywood How about this ? Imperial Apoc Schematic That's a great blueprint, but something to probably expect in the corner of each page. You'd prolly want each page of the book to have the full ship in detail, with a crossection showing the interiors and such. When I say crossections, this being the main attraction in the books, I mean like this. They also list a description, the history, etc., and the stats too - which could be easily be done with EVE ships, which is really half done already if you think about it - the artwork is the only real work to be done. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Kyle'dyr Endermark	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Kyle''dyr Endermark on 26/06/2008 17:10:32 I would love to see something as detailed as the images on this site (Be sure to click on the thumbnails for close-ups) http://www.khulsey.com/empress_main.html
Critias Viziam	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:12:00 - [22] Edited by: Critias on 26/06/2008 17:13:52 Edited by: Critias on 26/06/2008 17:12:48 Originally by: Donna Heywood How about this ? Imperial Apoc Schematic Thats a good schematic, but there is far too much empty crew space inside it - it's a battleship, not a transport, so it should primarily be designed around it's equipement - meaning that most space it taken up by reactors, thrusters, engines, power conduits, etc..You dont have a luxury to waste materials or space on a combat ship I like how the Homeworld ships were made, especially their Ion Cannon Frigate - a whole ship wrapped around a single cannon, because it was so bulky. Here's some Homeworls screenshots, maybe thats how a titan should look like from the inside: Link 1 Link 2
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Kyle'dyr Endermark Edited by: Kyle''dyr Endermark on 26/06/2008 17:10:32 I would love to see something as detailed as the images on this site (Be sure to click on the thumbnails for close-ups) http://www.khulsey.com/empress_main.html /me Drowns in his own drool ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Neth'Rae Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:23:00 - [24] Oh, I'd pay lots of money for something like this :D They could even expand the ingame information and add some stuff like history of each ship, and the pictures could also be used ingame for invention/production to spice up things. Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 17:34:00 - [25] We want a CCP commentary on this topic ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Case Kovaks Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2008.06.26 18:27:00 - [26] They used to have blueprints on the website but they were taken down, fortunatly they were mirrored here: Official EvE ship blueprints
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.26 21:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Case Kovaks They used to have blueprints on the website but they were taken down, fortunatly they were mirrored here: Official EvE ship blueprints Small images, shame they aren't bigger. They were really just nothing more then info not his ships really, just a wire-frame model with some very simple specs about them - where did they come from? I presume they are really old, before RMR? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Aslann Win and God	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:11:00 - [28] While this would be totally awesome, I doubt any of the ships where designed with interiors in mind though and it would totally not work for most ships. ______________________
emma louise	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:55:00 - [29] Edited by: emma louise on 26/06/2008 23:56:06 Yeah unfortunately the nails to this coffin have already been hammered in... You take an apoc....standing still....you double click behind it (make it turn 180)..watch what happens..as the ship turns into the turn and is sent from its vertical stance to nearly laying on it side to make the turn.. Sure thereÆs no gravity in space....but wait how does all this crew do its work ???..artificial gravity on such turns would see crew being thrown around like rag dolls...not to mention the effects on the human body any gravity would have @ high speeds.. In todayÆs day and age...when day to day tasks are slowing becoming automated..wouldnÆt 100,000 years into the future see things like engineering and repairs ect be undertaken by robots with complex ai's/neural network's....humans will be redundant.. My point here is simple....there are too many inconsistencies between the real world and eve....making such a book..shines a bloody big light on said inconsistencies... in other words it seems more viable as a concept (eve, spaceships ect)...if we dont see the insides In a way i would like to see the book...but more ways i do not want to see such a book
emma louise	Posted - 2008.06.26 23:57:00 - [30] Edited by: emma louise on 26/06/2008 23:57:33 Oh and it being more viable as a concept makes it much more playable... (sorry forgot to add this)
Mskpath3	Posted - 2008.06.27 01:01:00 - [31] Would absolutely buy a copy. No question.
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.06.27 01:03:00 - [32] Why not have it done properly by this lot? Janes _______________________________________
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 01:43:00 - [33] No question that if CCP went ahead with it they'd have it made in style - just a matter of CCP actually doing it is the problem, not how they do it :( ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Mallikan Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.06.27 02:52:00 - [34] Would buy. And I would display it proudly on my coffee table. And yes, obvious geek is obvious. BUT PROUD! --- lol.. I messed up.
William Pierce Universal Army	Posted - 2008.06.27 03:07:00 - [35] I support this idea!
emepror X.E.N.O. THE VILLAGE PE0PLE	Posted - 2008.06.27 03:10:00 - [36] for the guy who posted the janes thing... ive got a 500 page long info book about the entire US navy and allies
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 03:25:00 - [37] If I'm elected for the CSM this is just the type of issue I would bring up to CCP!
Amastat Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 03:31:00 - [38] Edited by: Amastat on 27/06/2008 03:32:12 Come now CCP - this is obviously a overwhelmingly popular concept here :P I suppose I should keep bumping this thread over the next week until enough posts/reads have been made to get CCP's attention then - a dev post at least would be nice, whatever the outcome. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:53:00 - [39] Ba-dunk! ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:57:00 - [40] To produce a quality product would just be too expensive, considering the limited customer base. ...
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Razin To produce a quality product would just be too expensive, considering the limited customer base. …so why/how did they produce the ≡v≡ Strategic Maps book?
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:38:00 - [42] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Razin To produce a quality product would just be too expensive, considering the limited customer base. àso why/how did they produce the ≡v≡ Strategic Maps book? it was made by an individual and then sold with help from CCP if you want to do that, make the book then talk to CCP about getting it branded and sold in their store.
Deverian Tarik Caldari Core Combat and Industry The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:42:00 - [43] I would 100% buy a copy of this if it was produced. CCP, make it so!
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:09:00 - [44] Edited by: Amastat on 27/06/2008 18:10:28 Originally by: Razin To produce a quality product would just be too expensive, considering the limited customer base. Not sure what CCP's budgeting and marketing has on their plate - but they've released a lot of stuff already - Art of EVE was not long ago. These books were not badly made - yet they seemed to have the funds to go aheade witht hose anyways. The most complex thing done was of the maps.. though CCP was not fully responsible for making that - I imagine that was expensive to make, yet it became an reality to. This was because it was approached differently - this book can be done no differently, and become a reality too. Even if it seems to expensive at first, thats not the way to go.. you can't make money and sell products with that kind of thinking. After you determine wither or not the product would be a good sell amongst your customer base, you have to move away from - "but it's too hard, too much work," to, "Well let's come up with some ideas and get this to work." A cheaply made item can lose even more money than a expensive money if no one cares or buys it. A more expensive item may end up being more profitable because people actually buy it - it's all a matter of making the right choices and approaching it all in the right manner. The choices only determine half of the outcome, the action that is taken decides the rest. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:13:00 - [45] There's enough fans int he game were maybe fans could partake in making it - just like the mapbook - however this would be a lot more complicated then a map book. Either that, or players got together and got the money to pay a proper company to produce the book, and then had CCP sell it. Might be other creative ways to make it so, but that's the two most straightforward things that come to mind. I bet it would be a hit - sounds like it would be for sure - but it wont be unless its actually made :P ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:26:00 - [46] The problems I see with schematic layouts like these is that I can never find the toilets. That aside, while this sounds like a good idea, I don't think anything like this will be released any time soon, mainly due to the massive flux of ship changes that regularly take place in-game. What if CCP had made such a book in pre-Trinity times? It sure would look ugly and outdated today. Or what if the book had been released in the last 5 months? Then the Magnate wouldn't be in it, and the Cov Ops ships would have different hulls. These thoughts only apply to the ship's appearance, if you want specs and stats you're looking at a real headache. I'm not saying CCP won't do this, but that this is a lot bigger than simply saying it...
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:36:00 - [47] Originally by: emma louise Edited by: emma louise on 26/06/2008 23:56:06 Yeah unfortunately the nails to this coffin have already been hammered in... You take an apoc....standing still....you double click behind it (make it turn 180)..watch what happens..as the ship turns into the turn and is sent from its vertical stance to nearly laying on it side to make the turn.. Sure thereÆs no gravity in space....but wait how does all this crew do its work ???..artificial gravity on such turns would see crew being thrown around like rag dolls...not to mention the effects on the human body any gravity would have @ high speeds.. In todayÆs day and age...when day to day tasks are slowing becoming automated..wouldnÆt 100,000 years into the future see things like engineering and repairs ect be undertaken by robots with complex ai's/neural network's....humans will be redundant.. My point here is simple....there are too many inconsistencies between the real world and eve....making such a book..shines a bloody big light on said inconsistencies... in other words it seems more viable as a concept (eve, spaceships ect)...if we dont see the insides In a way i would like to see the book...but more ways i do not want to see such a book Every single science fiction universe EVER that has involved big ships moving faster than the speed of light and being able to accelerate there within a few seconds, and has bothered to address the problems thereof, have used the exact same solution to this problem. They are called, variously, inertia dampeners, inertial stabilizers, mass compensators and pretty much any combination of the above you care to name. They all do the exact same thing, which is to tell everyone who ever brought up the exact same argument you just did to shove it up their behind. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.
Taedrin Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:40:00 - [48] Quote: EVE-O Ships Crossections Book, Well CPP? Am I the only one who saw "CPP" and thought "C PreProcessor", or "C Plus Plus"?
miss elena Minmatar The Geriatrics	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:46:00 - [49] sure if janes did it i would indeed buy it
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Elliot Reid Why not have it done properly by this lot? Janes Not a bad idea but Janes deals with fact not fantasy.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 19:33:00 - [51] Edited by: Amastat on 27/06/2008 19:33:26 Originally by: Taedrin Quote: EVE-O Ships Crossections Book, Well CPP? Am I the only one who saw "CPP" and thought "C PreProcessor", or "C Plus Plus"? Don't think so - when it says EVE-O Cross sections Book, it seems kinda off having some computer term in at the very end out of nowhere. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Razin The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.06.27 19:59:00 - [52] I think you guys misunderstand something. 99% of the EVE art book contents were products created over the years for designing the game itself. The book is simply a collection with some filler. The strategic maps book was based on the data dump from EVE database. It's a nice, quality product, with a beautiful layout (I have one); however the major part of the content already existed and was provided in a very convenient format. The "book of ships' cutaways" would have to be produced from scratch. For the book to be branded the style and artistic quality of the drawings would have to correspond to the high standards that CCP holds themselves to, and that we've come to expect from them. This would be a major undertaking, involving many artists over who knows how long. And all for a very small number of potential customers. A book like that may have a chance of being published after ambulation has been released and is fairly mature with the ability of walking inside ships as well as stations. The contents then would be comprised of production drawings and high fidelity models of interiors and whatever. ...
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.27 20:22:00 - [53] Originally by: Razin I think you guys misunderstand something. 99% of the EVE art book contents were products created over the years for designing the game itself. The book is simply a collection with some filler. The strategic maps book was based on the data dump from EVE database. It's a nice, quality product, with a beautiful layout (I have one); however the major part of the content already existed and was provided in a very convenient format. The "book of ships' cutaways" would have to be produced from scratch. For the book to be branded the style and artistic quality of the drawings would have to correspond to the high standards that CCP holds themselves to, and that we've come to expect from them. This would be a major undertaking, involving many artists over who knows how long. And all for a very small number of potential customers. A book like that may have a chance of being published after ambulation has been released and is fairly mature with the ability of walking inside ships as well as stations. The contents then would be comprised of production drawings and high fidelity models of interiors and whatever. Well its no use shooting the idea down - use your brain. If you don't have the material, make it. If it's too expensive to make the material, get some overly enthusiastic EVE fans with deep pockets to do it for you and/or pay for most of it. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Shaadowboss Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.06.28 00:03:00 - [54] Edited by: Shaadowboss on 28/06/2008 00:04:37 /signed.. I'd buy such a book in a heartbeat..but, what I'd love is an animated online ship gallery,(or a downloadable app of some kind) with all the same info the book would have.. would be really high-techy and cool-looking..make it happen CCP!! Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking. --Ferdinand Foch-- at the Battle of the Marne
Karrade Krise	Posted - 2008.06.28 03:59:00 - [55] Everytime they nerf something or stealthnerf something in a patch you would have to use a black magic marker and edit the book. Sounds like fun! :D Sig locked, I will not make fun of the forum mods
Kyle'dyr Endermark Caldari	Posted - 2008.06.28 04:10:00 - [56] Originally by: Razin I think you guys misunderstand something. 99% of the EVE art book contents were products created over the years for designing the game itself. The book is simply a collection with some filler. The strategic maps book was based on the data dump from EVE database. It's a nice, quality product, with a beautiful layout (I have one); however the major part of the content already existed and was provided in a very convenient format. The "book of ships' cutaways" would have to be produced from scratch. For the book to be branded the style and artistic quality of the drawings would have to correspond to the high standards that CCP holds themselves to, and that we've come to expect from them. This would be a major undertaking, involving many artists over who knows how long. And all for a very small number of potential customers. A book like that may have a chance of being published after ambulation has been released and is fairly mature with the ability of walking inside ships as well as stations. The contents then would be comprised of production drawings and high fidelity models of interiors and whatever. Did you make a point here?
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 04:12:00 - [57] Originally by: Karrade Krise Everytime they nerf something or stealthnerf something in a patch you would have to use a black magic marker and edit the book. Sounds like fun! :D Wouldn't it be the same for ships in reallife? Request signatures at EVE-GFX
Lakche	Posted - 2008.06.28 04:35:00 - [58] Edited by: Lakche on 28/06/2008 04:36:13 I would imagine it'd be something like this. Edit: Oops, here's the link. Gallante Theme
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.06.28 05:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Bleeshtar Originally by: Elliot Reid Why not have it done properly by this lot? Janes Not a bad idea but Janes deals with fact not fantasy. but i wonder if contracted as even to use the name if they would. "Janes Caldari Warships" etc
Kyra Felann Gallente Noctis Fleet Technologies	Posted - 2008.06.28 06:23:00 - [60] Originally by: Taedrin Quote: EVE-O Ships Crossections Book, Well CPP? Am I the only one who saw "CPP" and thought "C PreProcessor", or "C Plus Plus"? I thought .cpp as in the C++ source file extension.
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.06.28 08:46:00 - [61] What a waste of processed carbon. Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
Stitcher Caldari Duty.	Posted - 2008.06.28 09:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Celeste Coeval What a waste of processed carbon. If you're going to think like that, then this entire game is a waste of electrons. yeesh Entertainment is rarely a waste of anything. - Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain.

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