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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Laydee
Oh wait, you have the Curse already, the Blackbird, the Vexor, the Maller, Lachesis or Arazu even ? You don't just need to counter with speed or damage guys - you can anti-nano by removing their ability to damage you.
As repeated pointed out in other threads a counter does not mean "removing their ability to damage you". Of the ships mentioned only the Curse could be considered a counter however it is a ... nano hac. So, a nano is the best counter to another nano?
Originally by: Laydee
Tracking disruptors are great, because it makes them have to slow down even further to hit
Ignoring the use of missiles and drones by nanos. Of course even if you do manage to hit them a bit they've got a very nice buffer shield tank. If you do enough to their buffer tank they'll warp off.
Originally by: Laydee
*I said obviously because there are plenty of setups out there that can be tweaked for anti-nano ops and do rather well; but should also be viable for non-nano ops. Meh.
Few non nano setups are viable for both anti-nano work and non-nanos. They usually make comedy killmails. On the other hand nanos can fly the same setup equally well against nanos and non nanos.
Most of these "counters" you've mentioned are annoyances. Annoyances will either get you killed or drive them off. Annoyances allow them to either kill you or escape. Annoyances aren't likely to result in the death of many nanos. Nanos have the clear advantage.
Moral of the story? Its silly to fly anything but nanos against nanos.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Laydee
Fight fire with fire ?
It is currently the only reasonable way. This is a problem.
Originally by: Laydee
I mean to say, render my target unable to kill me - you probably say, kill your target.
This is a draw. What you are proposing are odds that any rational person would take.
If most of the counters involve a draw with little risk of death why would anyone fly anything but nanos?
Originally by: Laydee
viable counters, when you consider that most every Nano pilot has the choice available to attack or withdraw at their whim.
Knowing that most people choose to save their skin, I think the 'win' is to cause them to withdraw.
Again, this is a draw.
By your rational if you were to log off or dock, boredom would force them to withdraw and you would have "won". If you were not to play the game and no one were to die then you would have "won".
a) The non nano risks death or the nano escaping.
b) The nano risks a non nano kill or itself escaping.
If a counter isn't likely to seriously threaten a nano and result in a killmail then it isn't a counter. It is at best an annoyance.
The only rational choice is for everyone to fly nanos.
Originally by: Laydee
and hopefully leaves me to fight another day - Semper procinctu.
If you wish to fly non nanos then you're giving odds that any nano pilot will take.
The only rational choice is to fly nanos.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
don't risk death is, of course, a lie; there's numerous records of nanoships killed (even when engaging non-nanoships)
Of course this is generalized to prove that a counter without a kill is no counter.
However as you admit the risks to the nano ships are reduced. And thats enough for most people to fly nanos.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.25 03:21:00 -
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Edited by: *****zilla on 25/06/2008 03:22:37
Originally by: Marduk Jerak
If you take away nanoing, your only encouraging blobbing, since nanoing is the only truly effective way for a small gang to be able to counter the blob imo
For nanos to be effective they must blob their targets. A response to nanos requires blobbing. Nanos are not the answer to blobs. Nanos encourage blobbing.
The best method to counter blobs is patience and choosing a target carefully. Scouts and intel. This is the role covops/recons/stealthbombers/black ops were originally designed for.
However as we all know speed is better than patience.
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