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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
its allways funny to see the line wow is full of kiddies and eve is much more mature....then have a look at the wow forums and have alook at eve forums and then decide where the mature playerbase is
Actually that line is getting more and more diffuse sadly :(
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
its allways funny to see the line wow is full of kiddies and eve is much more mature....then have a look at the wow forums and have alook at eve forums and then decide where the mature playerbase is
EVE, our playerbase, while being somewhat insane, tends to know alot more then the average person(ie in science).
For example the person above you.
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Kirjava
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
its allways funny to see the line wow is full of kiddies and eve is much more mature....then have a look at the wow forums and have alook at eve forums and then decide where the mature playerbase is
Actually that line is getting more and more diffuse sadly :(
Out of Pod is the last refuge of the Eve forums.
Yes.
Yes it is and here I am.
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zombiedeadhead
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Posted - 2008.06.25 15:53:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Laciter
The fact is WoW is a simple game for idiots and children .
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.25 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead
Originally by: Laciter
The fact is WoW is a simple game for idiots and children .
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You should try conveying your objection using words like a real person. 
I see nothing wrong with that quote as that is what WoW was made for. The game is so easy that even a 7 year old could master it in a matter of minutes. The game is so safe (even on the PVP server) that you don't even need to pay attention to the screen half the time.
WoW is a single player game set on easy mode with a multiplayer function. It is not an MMORPG as far as I'm concerned.
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zombiedeadhead
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Remata Lakira
Originally by: zombiedeadhead
Originally by: Laciter
The fact is WoW is a simple game for idiots and children .
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I see nothing wrong with that quote
Not sure the OP would agree with you there 
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Remata Lakira
Terran Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.25 17:57:00 -
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Originally by: zombiedeadhead
I see nothing wrong with that quote
Not sure the OP would agree with you there
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Tobias Xiaosen
The Perfect Storm
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:21:00 -
[38]
Originally by: pwnedgato
Doesn't mean they lack don't intelligence.
I believe i have just found a sig quote
Originally by: pwnedgato
Doesn't mean they lack don't intelligence.
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.25 18:23:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen
Originally by: pwnedgato
Doesn't mean they lack don't intelligence.
I believe i have just found a sig quote
I saw that too and comtemplated noting it but alas I comtemplated too long.
Originally by: El'tar
I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME!
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Tobias Xiaosen
Originally by: pwnedgato
Doesn't mean they lack don't intelligence.
I believe i have just found a sig quote
I saw that too and comtemplated noting it but alas I comtemplated too long.
I wish I read the author of posts before reading the post itself... I laughed at myself...
Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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Lord Dracon
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:33:00 -
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I feel like:
WoW - a game. Not more, not less. Easy to get into, to stay and to quit due to boredom.
EVE - a hobby. Deeper, asking more dedication, harsh, no instant gratification. More of a virtual reality than any other game.
Yes, a little bit elitist. Justified, imho.
(voting for startup-screen: "Entering New Eden as xxx" for moar imersion)
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Micheal Dietrich
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Dracon
harsh,
Theres another one of those words. You shouldn't be sitting on a cheese grater while you play.
Originally by: El'tar
I WOULD WARRIOR FOR WOMAN BELONG TO ME!
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Elysarian
dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2008.06.25 20:46:00 -
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Isn't WoW like Runescape with slightly better graphics?
Whereas Eve is like massively multiplayer Elite with far better graphics?
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.25 23:53:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Cyne Spurr
6: Even Tabulas Rasa and RFonline are better...and they suck..
In RF you can do mass genocide solo and destroy bellato BMAU's (for which they pay money and you don't loose anything except rank if you die :P), while Tabula Rasa should've been called Carebear Rasa.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: Cyne Spurr
6: Even Tabulas Rasa and RFonline are better...and they suck..
In RF you can do mass genocide solo and destroy bellato BMAU's (for which they pay money and you don't loose anything except rank if you die :P), while Tabula Rasa should've been called Carebear Rasa.
Kill a mech solo? Crappy ones yes but the better ones could not be killed solo unless you had some crazy equipment yourself.
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Draeca
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.06.26 00:14:00 -
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Warcraft is about alliance and horde beating the everliving crap out of eachother. However, WoW is about alliance and horde competing who kills that yet-another-generic-dragon-boss first.
Nuff said.
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mamolian
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Laciter
I don't understand why so many people have such ire directed towards world of warcraft in EVE.
Its a mediocre MMO to satisfy mediocre people...
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:34:00 -
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There are just as many "mediocre" people here in EvE. Go look at any whinge thread, read almost any quit thread, or many of the factual tales from C&P.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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mamolian
Eternity INC.
Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato
There are just as many "mediocre" people here in EvE. Go look at any whinge thread, read almost any quit thread, or many of the factual tales from C&P.
And how can we capitalise on those mediocre people in EVE? We kill them. Possibly causing lots of hurtin, depending on what they were flying at the time or carrying inside their ship.. In WOW on the other hand.. the most you can do is inconvenience em for the 10 mins it takes to walk back to their corpse..
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.26 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: mamolian
Originally by: pwnedgato
There are just as many "mediocre" people here in EvE. Go look at any whinge thread, read almost any quit thread, or many of the factual tales from C&P.
And how can we capitalise on those mediocre people in EVE? We kill them. Possibly causing lots of hurtin, depending on what they were flying at the time or carrying inside their ship.. In WOW on the other hand.. the most you can do is inconvenience em for the 10 mins it takes to walk back to their corpse..
And thats if their not in a safe area, whereas there is no real safe area in eve besides the station.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:41:00 -
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I played WoW for the better part of three years (I was a holy priest until TBC, then rerolled a resto shammy). I was really good at healing in WoW - I did it for a long time, did more dungeons and raids than I can count. I came over to Eve and I even though I'm a carebear I do like Eve much better.
1) It's impossible to lose in WoW. Ever. Being bad in WoW means you advance slower, but in the end every ******, their brother, their father (if not the same person), and their down-syndrome dog will get to lv. 70 and get the uber gear. There's no real sense of accomplishment. In Eve if you're stupid you'll lose your shirt so fast your head will spin.
So in WoW you have an environment where the random person you run into is most likely a ******. In EvE the random people you bump into are most likely competent at whatever they do. It's very refreshing, even if said people *are* out to get you. 
2) WoW starts off telling you what to do and never stops. You pick a class depending on what you decide you want to do. The devs set up very specific skill trees and gear setups so they can exactly control what you can do. Eve's skill and ship fitting systems let you do whatever *you* want to do, for the most part, and switch roles on the fly with no stupid penalties. There's no clearly defined roles either, you can log in, say, "Today I want to be <whatever>" and as long as it works with the game mechanics you can do it.
3) WoW is VERY strictly segregated - first by level, and then later by whether you're an arena player or a raider and then again by whatever tier you're at. Eve is very good about getting people together - it doesn't really matter what you're doing from fleet warfare to piracy to shooting rocks in highsec every gang can use every player regardless of whether they're five years old or just started ten minutes ago. I think this is one of Eve's most underrated strong points.
4) In WoW the bad guys are NPCs that stand around in caves all day waiting on people to murder them for their clothes. In Eve the bad guys are real people (you, if you're so inclined) and they come to you.
5) The skill system encourages the game to expand laterally, where new content exists side-by-side with existing content and nothing is ever obsolete. In WoW new expansions render all the high-end content in the old game obsolete, and nobody ever goes back and does old dungeons because they don't need anything from them.
6) Offline skill training means I can actually work, have something resembling a life, and not fall behind. Trading and manufacturing careers allow players to earn ISK, become influential, and not have to devote tons of time to the game. Everyone trains at the same rate - you can't powerlevel in Eve. People either love or hate this feature - there's very little inbetween.
7) Almost everything of real value in Eve is player-controlled. From T2 manufacturing, to mineral markets, to system ownership in 0.0, to logistics to and from deep space, NPCs don't do it, people do it. The pve side of eve is very underdeveloped and that's a good thing, imo.
8) Eve is about freedom. You log in, do what you will. WoW is very much a dev-guided experience from start to finish. Despite people complaining about the lack of RP in Eve I find most people in Eve do RP, they just don't realize it - that's how good CCP has built the sandbox.
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mankirks Wife
I played WoW for the better part of three years (I was a holy priest until TBC, then rerolled a resto shammy). I was really good at healing in WoW - I did it for a long time, did more dungeons and raids than I can count. I came over to Eve and I even though I'm a carebear I do like Eve much better.
1) It's impossible to lose in WoW. Ever. Being bad in WoW means you advance slower, but in the end every ******, their brother, their father (if not the same person), and their down-syndrome dog will get to lv. 70 and get the uber gear. There's no real sense of accomplishment. In Eve if you're stupid you'll lose your shirt so fast your head will spin.
So in WoW you have an environment where the random person you run into is most likely a ******. In EvE the random people you bump into are most likely competent at whatever they do. It's very refreshing, even if said people *are* out to get you.
2) WoW starts off telling you what to do and never stops. You pick a class depending on what you decide you want to do. The devs set up very specific skill trees and gear setups so they can exactly control what you can do. Eve's skill and ship fitting systems let you do whatever *you* want to do, for the most part, and switch roles on the fly with no stupid penalties. There's no clearly defined roles either, you can log in, say, "Today I want to be <whatever>" and as long as it works with the game mechanics you can do it.
3) WoW is VERY strictly segregated - first by level, and then later by whether you're an arena player or a raider and then again by whatever tier you're at. Eve is very good about getting people together - it doesn't really matter what you're doing from fleet warfare to piracy to shooting rocks in highsec every gang can use every player regardless of whether they're five years old or just started ten minutes ago. I think this is one of Eve's most underrated strong points.
4) In WoW the bad guys are NPCs that stand around in caves all day waiting on people to murder them for their clothes. In Eve the bad guys are real people (you, if you're so inclined) and they come to you.
5) The skill system encourages the game to expand laterally, where new content exists side-by-side with existing content and nothing is ever obsolete. In WoW new expansions render all the high-end content in the old game obsolete, and nobody ever goes back and does old dungeons because they don't need anything from them.
6) Offline skill training means I can actually work, have something resembling a life, and not fall behind. Trading and manufacturing careers allow players to earn ISK, become influential, and not have to devote tons of time to the game. Everyone trains at the same rate - you can't powerlevel in Eve. People either love or hate this feature - there's very little inbetween.
7) Almost everything of real value in Eve is player-controlled. From T2 manufacturing, to mineral markets, to system ownership in 0.0, to logistics to and from deep space, NPCs don't do it, people do it. The pve side of eve is very underdeveloped and that's a good thing, imo.
8) Eve is about freedom. You log in, do what you will. WoW is very much a dev-guided experience from start to finish. Despite people complaining about the lack of RP in Eve I find most people in Eve do RP, they just don't realize it - that's how good CCP has built the sandbox.
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.26 04:58:00 -
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EVE players hate WoW, WoW players have EVE. Ford owners hate Chevy. AMD fans hate Intel. BMW owners say Benz is crap. its a pattern i tell ya....
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.26 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker
EVE players hate WoW, WoW players have EVE. Ford owners hate Chevy. AMD fans hate Intel. BMW owners say Benz is crap. its a pattern i tell ya....
Benz is crap
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.26 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
Kill a mech solo? Crappy ones yes but the better ones could not be killed solo unless you had some crazy equipment yourself.
Mechs up to lvl 48 are easy to kill solo with a Cora templar. I'm not talking about the red mechs (RMAU lvl 50).
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Growler667
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.26 07:35:00 -
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Edited by: Growler667 on 26/06/2008 07:42:35
Totally different games. The only similarities are a sense of advancing withing the game (less pronounced in Eve because of the extra emphasis on PVP) and the fact that it's an MMO.
WoW beats Eve all over the place for PVE content.
Eve beats WoW all over the place for PVP content.
The fact that certain people seem to think there's a war between the two is utterly ********.
The thing that worries me about Eve (or CCP, rather) is that there are no new ideas. I've been playing since 2003 and the only NEW idea since then that I can think of is ambulation, the benefits of which can be called "dubious" at best. I watched the Empyrean age trailer and nearly threw my monitor through the window - war has been "coming" for 5 frigging years now. Factional warfare is the last of the idea pool CCP showed us back then. "Kali" was a known term pretty much back on day 1. THAT is how far CCP's plans went then, a few years into the future. How far do they reach now?
Conversely, Blizzard are due to bring out their second expansion pack (yes, you have to pay - get over it - it's CCP's generosity, not Blizzard's greed) later this year with a silly amount of new content. This means new environments, new quests/missions, new abilities for every character and lord knows what else. When your areas aren't just one of seven or eight nebula backgrounds, your missions more than a picture saying "go kill x because they z" and your lore having advanced AT ALL in the past five years, that means a lot.
I played Eve in 2003 and continued doing so until the end of 2007. At that point, I relented and let a friend convince me to try WoW. I don't regret it.
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Multimorph
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Posted - 2008.06.26 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Growler667
Edited by: Growler667 on 26/06/2008 07:42:35
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WoW beats Eve all over the place for PVE content.
Eve beats WoW all over the place for PVP content.
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This perfectly summarizes it :) I could not agree more.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.06.27 00:51:00 -
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thats ok i had this odd vision once of WoW meets EVE. and yes i shuddered at the thought of gnomes with lasers(and im pretty sure gnomes would use lasers) and warp drives.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.27 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: goodby4u
Kill a mech solo? Crappy ones yes but the better ones could not be killed solo unless you had some crazy equipment yourself.
Mechs up to lvl 48 are easy to kill solo with a Cora templar. I'm not talking about the red mechs (RMAU lvl 50).
Well then heres an idea, DONT GET THE YELLOW ONES.
Bell is in no way underpowered, why? Well yes its expensive, but after a while everybody starts using Black mechs and outright owns all the other sides.
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Amastat
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.06.27 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 27/06/2008 04:01:55
I can't speak for everyone, but myself and a lot of people I know (a LOT) dislike WoW because we used to play it at one time, and left it - because Blizzard ruined it. A lot of us dislike WoW and left for the same reasons in most ways, actually.
Biggest reasons me and my freinds left was the Never-Ending Grind/Instancing for
Drops, Battlegrounds & Dishonor-Kills, the Other Players, and Rogues.
The Never-Ending Grind/Instancing pretty much speaks for itself - the game was literally designed so the drop rates are so low, that the player - you - have to hack at it on a daily basis just to keep up with the rest of your companions and/or rivals; Blizzard may as well have renamed it to World of Grindcraft. What really bugged me, personally, is that after hours and hours of tolerating idiot group members in dungeons/raids - some ******* ninja loots all of your crap.
The Battlegrounds & Dishonor-Kills single-handedly killed off world PvP completely. Dishonor no longer exists anymore, but it was included in the first release of battlegrounds (Warsong Glutch, followed by Arathi Basin, and Alterac Valley). You can really give the credit of the last nail of the coffin to the Dishonor-Kills for making sure raiding cities/towns would never rise from the grave ever again in your sad, pitiful little existence that you call a life.
Now - by all means, there is still some city-raiding PvP, but its a dying art - especially on non-PvP servers. Everyone lines up in battlegrounds now, it's not often you see anyone amass 40 guys to attack a town/city anymore. On most servers, you see a raid of that size probably happen once every few weeks at best chances are. Probably twice as less likely to happen on non-PvP servers.
The thing is - people like I, and a lot of ex-WoW players, despised Battlegrounds. It's because they are instances, enclosed, predictable, and extremely repetitive. The Battlegrounds were also, for me, a huge pain in the ass. You couldn't do them with just your guild, or a guild vs. guild - so you had to deal with people you never met before - half of which are guaranteed to be absolute flaming idiots.
This was a smaller issue, but a irritating one - Other Players. Most WoW players don't have this problem because they are idiots themselves and fit in nicely - or they are just clueless and don't care if everyone around them are woo-who (like those insecure emo teenagers on myspace who have trouble making freinds in RL). I'm a more serious, older, conserved personality - so I absolutely lose my mind with a bunch of screaming nutso kids around me in Stormwind, dancing around some NE chick stripping for gold, offering her hours of cybersex.
This is a split topic for people, but I've met as many people agree on this matter, as many as those who defend Rogues. They are just, simply, overpowered - in PvP at least. They tended to dodge every other attack (unless you were a caster), the DPS was next to unmatched, and most importantly they could hit you with the infamous, and dreaded, neverending spam-stun/disoreint.
You know, the neverending stun wehere your completely incapacitated for several minutes, and unless your a heavily tanked war, you will likely hit the ground by the time you come out of the stun.
So - unless you could outnumber and gank-first, or find the rogue before they find out - and zerg the crap out of them before they can *****you - you were boned; that is unless you were a rogue yourself, then its a matter of who can hit the stun button first.
They weren't impossible to kill, but overpowered - but they were basically the equivalent, in EVE terms, of a max-skilled faction fit Navy Megathron, with an extra 10 mid slots /w a full set of Legion ECM Jammers, and a officer MWD and a really low overall ship mass.
So there - thats what I know, if it helps you.
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