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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.26 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: ShardowRhino
There SHOULD be a class of ships that get a bonus to web range. Not just 1 t2 ship for 1 particular race. EVERY race should have such a ship.
Just as soon as I get Minmatar ships that are as good at jamming as the Falcon and Rook, as good at cap warfare/tracking disrupting as the Curse and (lol)Pilgrim and as good at being broken as the Arazu and Lachesis.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Flowstone
Lol @ 6k, you obviously havn't seen many good vaga pilots. Vagas can get up to 17km/s, including the one i killed earlier. Linkage
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.02 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Demarcus
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Jesus I am the biggest fan of plating everything but seriously, this whine is a bit too much.
Since when does any HAC go 11km/s? Try 3800-4500.
Vagabond can touch 6k.
11km/s requires expensive snake and rogue implants, officer faction/gear, a max skilled claymore, and t2 polycarbs.
In which case, I think your gang can easily afford to pimp out a couple interceptors to suicide web the nanoship.
I have seen more than one battleship do over 10k, so thank you come again.
Those battleships? They have the turning radius of a planet, cost as much as half a dozen capitals (when you include the HG snakes needed to get a BS to 10km/s) and are really only useful for one thing: bumping people. That's like saying we should nerf shield tanking because a fully officer fit Wyvern can tank 75k DPS. In the grand scheme of things, if you are honestly concerned about nano-BS, you really need to reevaluate your position.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.03 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina but as far as being overpowered goes... about the only ship that I can truely class as that is the Rapier. (which ironically is also the best counter to nanos, but whatever)
This is clearly propaganda from the anti-nano crowd. The Rapier and Huginn are perfectly fine.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.03 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Father Dibbles
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Father Dibbles Silly stuff
Lol.
And back at you for having to edit a four character long, pointless post.
You're a terrible troll.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.04 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Father Dibbles
Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Father Dibbles
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Father Dibbles Silly stuff
Lol.
And back at you for having to edit a four character long, pointless post.
You're a terrible troll.
Kiss my arse?
Right back at you.
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.04 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
I've also witnessed a Vindicator going 12km/sec. So don't tell us that these setups are as uncommon as you think. and anyway price does not equal BALANCE.
Awesome, you completely managed to miss every single point I made.
Originally by: Dianeces
They have the turning radius of a planet
Means it will not hold that speed in an orbit, leading to:
Originally by: Dianeces
really only useful for one thing: bumping people
This is compounded when factoring in that BS sized turrets are going to have a very difficult time tracking at high speeds, meaning they do very little DPS.
As for the rest of your post:
Originally by: Stab Wounds
I've also witnessed a Vindicator going 12km/sec.
"A". One. Singular. Seems pretty ****ing uncommon to me. Again, you are trying to make sweeping generalizations from extremes which are both uncommon and almost useless outside of one particular niche. You are then using said sweeping generalizations to try and nerf an entire play style because you don't like it.
Originally by: Stab Wounds
and anyway price does not equal BALANCE.
Except ISK is a factor in balance. Otherwise, why do I have to pay up to 10x as much as a T1 cruiser for my HACs or Recons? Surely it isn't because they have capabilities in excess of what their T1 cousins have?
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Dianeces
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.04 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: *****zilla
Price does not dictate balance.
You're right. I totally said price determined balance. That's exactly it.
Originally by: Dianeces
Price is a factor in balance.
Yep, looks the same as what you claim I said.
Originally by: *****zilla
A t1 stasis webber is 10k isk, and a t2 webber is about 1mil isk. Thats a 100x price difference.
A t1 stabber is 3.5mil isk. So a vaga should cost 350mil. A great imbalance exists. A vaga can be purchased for 82mil. So yes this price imbalance needs to be fixed. A vaga should cost more?
The point was the Vaga is more expensive, in part, because it is better than a Stabber. Way to go on trying to twist my point into something stupid.
Seriously, though, there are only two reasons to pay more for something: 1.) it's a collector's item, such as your shuttle example, or 2.) it's better than the cheaper version. Case in point are T2 Armor Plates. Currently in Domain, T2 1600 plates are about 400k more than 1600 RT plates. There is absolutely no reason to purchase the T2 version, when the named version is equal or better in all attributes. This is borne out by the market history, which shows that 1600 RT plates are bought 10x as frequently as the T2 version. Most of the purchasers of the T2 plates most likely don't know about the disparity and simply assumed T2 was better.
I don't believe you can honestly tell me you would spend more for a T2 plate that is different (worse) than a RT one simply because it is different. Now before you start trying to say this disproves my point about balance, the only reason T2 items in these cases are more expensive than best named T1 is because they require additional resources to invent and manufacture. If T2 plates didn't have to be invented, or didn't require additional materials, they would be cheaper than the best named plates.
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