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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Havok Dryke
Originally by: Nikita Alterana
minmatar ships have the most primate drive system. They use fission reactors that need to be refueled every few DECADES. everyone else has MORE ADVANCED power systems. they wouldn't need to refuel.
Heh. As if Minmatar ships would last for a decade without degrading 
They're lucky if they make it past the 20-day warranty period.
warranty? mine didn't come with a warranty, just a complimentary tube of contact cement! |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:35:00 -
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Fuel is the responsibility of the rather short-lived crew of our ships, we don't care about food nor crew-entertainment, so why fuel? |
Valandril
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 29/06/2008 02:40:37
1. Fly activly carrier in 0.0 alliance for 2 weeks.
2 ??
3. You will beg ccp to remove fuel alltogether (and to lower fighters mineral cost to cruiser not bc :P). |
Jawas
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.29 03:47:00 -
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It won't be long before the "I don't have enough fuel capacity to..." whines to hit the forums.
I used to play a game where fuel was essential and when you're dead in the water, it really sucks.
It would be a logistical nightmare.
It would cause endless forum whines.
It would leave a lot of pilots stranded in hostile space.
It would add too much cost to wars, mining ops and even hauling costs for traders etc.
It would be just another thing to think about and calculate (like we don't have enough already).
It would most likely mark the decline of Eve.
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Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Yaturi on 29/06/2008 04:25:13
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what happens when i hit dead in the water?
I support the idea for this specific quote I read on the first page and in the above post.
I think it would be cool to see abadoned ships occasionally. This idea would give new meaning to the eject from ship option. Pilots could scan out abadoned ships that were left in deadspace, steal them if need be. Jettison a canister of fuel and then hop in. Considering the mileage you get out of this to-be determined fuel the added challenge to the game could be mitigated. I really dont think that with all the tinkering most Eve players do with their ships anyway that something like this would make them not wanna play.
I'm all for the realism here folks, sorry.
But an idea such as this that will totally reshape not some, but all EVE in every aspect (market and pvp especially) should stay on the test server for some time until its proven plausible. |
Marcus Gideon
Gallente
Excessive Force
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:50:00 -
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Realism?
EVE IS 20,000 YEARS IN THE FUTURE
If we're still dependant on fossil fuels... there's no hope for the human race.
Capitals use fuel to generate enough power to make a wormhole that crosses lightyears. Titans use fuel to generate enough power to obliterate anything within range.
Why would we need such massive amounts of energy, that come from the fuel sources we have, just to float through space? |
Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:07:00 -
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Well as for the type of fuel I left that to be determined. But to be honest if there was no fuel powering us to float around in space then basically one could infer that there is a perpetual energy reactor inside every ships capacitor that keeps it recharging. I have problems with this, although theorectically impossible if a pertetual energy reactor were to exist (which it could give 20,000 years) it would alter things so much that there probably wouldn't be any warfare and conflicts which drives the Eve universe, but thats just my guess.
As for the type of fuel, well that depends on the reactor. Lets say you have a rokh that has a highly efficient reactor that runs on metal scraps, fine, but the miliege it can sqeeze out is significantly less than a more expensive reactor that only uses enriched uranium. |
Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:08:00 -
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I imagine the screams of 0.0 pilots of getting fuel to their fleets.....
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Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:13:00 -
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Well I could definetly see the smile on a freighter pilot's face after he cashes in on a big fuel contract. Whats more, 'fuel' access/availibity could vary depending what engine your using.
yeah i'm a customization freak  |
Endrain
Gallente
Farlight Optic Council
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:28:00 -
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No.....just sounds like a way for people to make more money |
Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 05:43:00 -
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well considering how the oil companies monopolize everthing today...you could be onto something.
But really this new fuel market would be controlled by traders, such as the mineral market is dictated by the miners and ship production by the idustrial scientists. I think it would make the hauling profession more appealing and balance it out. Courier missions are for the birds
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Galan Amarias
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.06.29 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Yaturi
Well as for the type of fuel I left that to be determined. But to be honest if there was no fuel powering us to float around in space then basically one could infer that there is a perpetual energy reactor inside every ships capacitor that keeps it recharging. I have problems with this, although theorectically impossible if a pertetual energy reactor were to exist (which it could give 20,000 years) it would alter things so much that there probably wouldn't be any warfare and conflicts which drives the Eve universe, but thats just my guess.
As for the type of fuel, well that depends on the reactor. Lets say you have a rokh that has a highly efficient reactor that runs on metal scraps, fine, but the miliege it can sqeeze out is significantly less than a more expensive reactor that only uses enriched uranium.
There is no need for a perpetual energy device. Merely the concept that the reactor has "enough" fule for several years.
It's EVE, you want fule? then what, real space physics so we have to move through the systems taking gravity wells into account? A removal of the max speed statistic on ships? Travel time for non-missle projectile weapons? Stress fracture calculations if you turn to fast with your intercepor? Planatary colision if you warp throug one?
EVE is a game, it needs to be fun. Adding needless complexity to the game does not increas the fun. Proof? How much more fun would your car be if you never had to stop for gas? How many driving games have you stop for gas? Stopping for gas sucks.
If you want to nerf the nano gangs, then come up with an idea that nerfs nanogangs. Don't try and sneek in a "nano fix" with this level of fail.
In short, no.
-Galan
The answer to empire ganking |
Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 07:35:00 -
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Never said I wanted to nerf anything. This idea would effect non-nano ships equally as well. The point is its a huge leap into realism (which a lot of you guys seem to be afraid of) and a great addition to the challenge and scope of the game.
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It's EVE, you want fule? then what, real space physics...blah blah blah
....yes, yes I do. That would be the direction i'd like to see this game go. Agree to disagree nano-boy?
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Sir Substance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 07:47:00 -
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you are missing something here i think. this is a game. you know, for fun?
filling up ships isnt fun. therefore, noone wants it. if you love it so much, buy yourself a jump freighter and make a ****tonne of isk refilling peoples POS's for them.
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Valandril
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.29 07:51:00 -
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OP also mises the fact that 0.0 is barely profitable since static plex removal, if you will throw even more brick under 0.0 ppl legs, they will simple give up.
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Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Yaturi on 29/06/2008 08:15:26
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filling up ships isnt fun
In my hangar I have a box labeled "ammo". In it is all my hybrid charges, all my cap booster charges, and all my drones that I can use.
I dont see any problem with having another box labeled "fuel(s)" along with it. I for one enjoy the depth of this game, everybody else can go back to wow. |
Valandril
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.06.29 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: Valandril on 29/06/2008 09:01:33
Originally by: Yaturi
Edited by: Yaturi on 29/06/2008 08:15:26
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filling up ships isnt fun
In my hangar I have a box labeled "ammo". In it is all my hybrid charges, all my cap booster charges, and all my drones that I can use.
I dont see any problem with having another box labeled "fuel(s)" along with it. I for one enjoy the depth of this game, everybody else can go back to wow.
Lawl, so if we don't like YET-ANOTHER-LOGISITIC-MAYHEM then we should go back to wow ?
Pathetic :D
Let me ask you, how long were u living outside empire ? oh wait, you just an alt for prolly yet another poor excuse of pvper. |
Yaturi
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Posted - 2008.06.29 09:34:00 -
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I would prefer it. There's lots of players I wish would go back to wow but I dont think ccp would like that much of their playerbase leaving. Oh well, one can only hope.
Now, who's to say fuels wouldn't be more plentiful in 0.0 anyway. Aren't untapped sources of oil on earth found in far away places, go figure.
I dont have a need for an alt yet and where I fly is my own business.  |
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