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Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.27 11:42:00 -
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Anyone did some missions FOR (not against) Guristas, Blood Raiders or some other 0.0 faction?
If so, any wise words from personal experience?
I am very interested to run missions for Guristas, and I wonder which standing will suffer because of it?
I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die. |
pushdogg
Minmatar
Vermin.
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.06.27 12:04:00 -
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i think i would be more worried about being able to finish the missions. its relatively easy to probe someone out, and furthermore, the only useful guristas stuff is implants and the occasional mod, both of which are easily bought(or easier than running missions).
best sig ever:)
 Originally by: Soul Harvestor
You're an idiot.
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.27 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine
Anyone did some missions FOR (not against) Guristas, Blood Raiders or some other 0.0 faction?
If so, any wise words from personal experience?
I am very interested to run missions for Guristas, and I wonder which standing will suffer because of it?
No - but look at them. Those who dislike guristas, will frown upon you if you help them.
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Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.27 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Kaya Divine
Anyone did some missions FOR (not against) Guristas, Blood Raiders or some other 0.0 faction?
If so, any wise words from personal experience?
I am very interested to run missions for Guristas, and I wonder which standing will suffer because of it?
No - but look at them. Those who dislike guristas, will frown upon you if you help them.
I was thinking the same. But I noticed, that Caldari dislike Guristas. But Guristas don`t dislike Caldari. So even if it "says" (if not some mistake) that there will be no missions against Caldari, storyline missions (if they have any) will not be favored by Caldari.
Or something like that...my thoughts usually are not compatible with reality that is reason why I asked.
Anyway call me... whatever...but that gold undead bunny is so must have in faction standings (positive.) 
Its true that its risky, there is a few choke points like M-OEE8 from empire space to there and back. And even if its little (almost none %) that low sec pirates can in time organize to stop blockade runner (goods need to be taken and sold somehow), those guys in 0.o are far more resourceful. 
Also there are few gangs which circulate that area constantly (as seen in some kb`s.) Idea to whenever someone comes to local to warp in ss and cloak is just...well everything but brave.
While I write this, I realized fact... even if it is possible, that without support of corp (ally) mission running in 0.0 can be similar to martyrdom.
Anyone thinks opposite?
I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die. |
Elaine Celeste
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Posted - 2008.06.27 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine
Originally by: Nocturnal Avenger
Originally by: Kaya Divine
Anyone did some missions FOR (not against) Guristas, Blood Raiders or some other 0.0 faction?
If so, any wise words from personal experience?
I am very interested to run missions for Guristas, and I wonder which standing will suffer because of it?
No - but look at them. Those who dislike guristas, will frown upon you if you help them.
I was thinking the same. But I noticed, that Caldari dislike Guristas. But Guristas don`t dislike Caldari. So even if it "says" (if not some mistake) that there will be no missions against Caldari, storyline missions (if they have any) will not be favored by Caldari.
Or something like that...my thoughts usually are not compatible with reality that is reason why I asked.
Anyway call me... whatever...but that gold undead bunny is so must have in faction standings (positive.)
Its true that its risky, there is a few choke points like M-OEE8 from empire space to there and back. And even if its little (almost none %) that low sec pirates can in time organize to stop blockade runner (goods need to be taken and sold somehow), those guys in 0.o are far more resourceful.
Also there are few gangs which circulate that area constantly (as seen in some kb`s.) Idea to whenever someone comes to local to warp in ss and cloak is just...well everything but brave.
While I write this, I realized fact... even if it is possible, that without support of corp (ally) mission running in 0.0 can be similar to martyrdom.
Anyone thinks opposite?
If you do storyline missions for Guristas, or kill-missions against Caldari, you will lose standing with the Caldari.
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.06.28 03:31:00 -
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I did a bit with Gurristas when I lived out in that area.
The main issue I ran into with Gurristas was the Venal region they are based in is NPC-Sov (Gurristas, of course), which means it's impossible to secure anything more than dead-end systems very well. Systems with Gurristas stations in them (there's two I think - main one is 6NJ8-V though) all had very heavy pirate presences and are, in fact, the most dangerous systems I have ever been to in this game - in addition to the normal 0.0 worries I also undocked into bubbles a few times, was probed out constantly, and, in general, it was really rough - I gave up eventually but I did make a good try of it.
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Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.28 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mankirks Wife
I did a bit with Gurristas when I lived out in that area.
The main issue I ran into with Gurristas was the Venal region they are based in is NPC-Sov (Gurristas, of course), which means it's impossible to secure anything more than dead-end systems very well. Systems with Gurristas stations in them (there's two I think - main one is 6NJ8-V though) all had very heavy pirate presences and are, in fact, the most dangerous systems I have ever been to in this game - in addition to the normal 0.0 worries I also undocked into bubbles a few times, was probed out constantly, and, in general, it was really rough - I gave up eventually but I did make a good try of it.
Sounds like adrenaline pump. I like it.
Anyone else have some experience in mission running for Guristas, Angels, Blood Raiders?
I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die. |
Unholey
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Posted - 2008.06.28 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: Unholey on 28/06/2008 13:33:27
Missioning for angels is easy when your corp keeps an entire constellation full of angel/serpentis stations clear with mothership backup 
Edit: on a sidenote, your standings with all four empire factions will go downhill IF you do storyline missions, or missions against for example the khanid navy, skip those and your standings stay intact |
Arthor Dark
Gallente
N.A.S.A.
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.06.28 14:19:00 -
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If you're gonna do pirate faction missions, atleast do it for the correct one - Serpentis. Any other faction in the game is worth 4 to 5 times less. |
Kaya Divine
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.06.28 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Unholey
Edited by: Unholey on 28/06/2008 13:33:27
skip those and your standings stay intact
So basically everything is the same as in empires...only higher risk for some.
@Arthor Dark: Serpentis... well they think of me as "awful"  so they are not option, at least not with Kaya and not in close future. 
Maybe if they had nicer logo, like undead kitty or something.
I consulted moralists to learn how to appear philosophers to find out what to think and novelists to see what I could get away with and in the end it all came down to one principle:win or die. |
MWEI
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Posted - 2008.06.28 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: MWEI on 28/06/2008 15:35:23
unless your alliance/corp have the said 0.0 system under control, or you get to know the locals enough to get some security, 0.0 missioning is not worth it: you lose money when you have to wait out station camps, you can't use expensive ships and your occasional ship loss will quickly offset any marginal improvement in mission payment or lp advantage of 0.0 (which is tiny these days with LP inflation)
if you just like living dangerously, it will be more profitable just ratting in 0.0 in a HAC or something, of course everything changes if you have contact with 0.0 corps/alliances. |
Unholey
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Posted - 2008.06.28 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kaya Divine
Originally by: Unholey
Edited by: Unholey on 28/06/2008 13:33:27
skip those and your standings stay intact
So basically everything is the same as in empires...only higher risk for some.
@Arthor Dark: Serpentis... well they think of me as "awful" so they are not option, at least not with Kaya and not in close future.
Maybe if they had nicer logo, like undead kitty or something.
You can always train Diplomacy + Criminal connections. Aslong as your standing with the serpentis CORPORATION (not the faction) is higher than -2.0 you can talk to them and get missions, if it's still lower than -2.0 after skills, you could ask a friend to gang up and turn in missions on behalf of the gang. |
Neddloyyd
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Posted - 2008.06.28 19:43:00 -
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if you run missions for guristas you will loose sec status, standings with concord, most caldari corps, serp standings i think, and something else which isnt of any real importance standings wise. it is pretty crappy missions though, i ran em for months and i made more money running missions for fed. navy. venal is NOT a friendly place lol, id advise avoiding it tbh. |
Helen
coracao ardente
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.06.29 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Neddloyyd
if you run missions for guristas you will loose sec status, standings with concord, most caldari corps, serp standings i think, and something else which isnt of any real importance standings wise. it is pretty crappy missions though, i ran em for months and i made more money running missions for fed. navy. venal is NOT a friendly place lol, id advise avoiding it tbh.
then your an idiot.
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Atlanton Marcus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Arthor Dark
If you're gonna do pirate faction missions, atleast do it for the correct one - Serpentis. Any other faction in the game is worth 4 to 5 times less.
And why would this be?
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Tankn00blicus
Cosmic Vacum Cleaners
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Atlanton Marcus
Originally by: Arthor Dark
If you're gonna do pirate faction missions, atleast do it for the correct one - Serpentis. Any other faction in the game is worth 4 to 5 times less.
And why would this be?
A snake! A snake! Snake! A snake! Oh, it's a snake!!
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Atlanton Marcus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.07.01 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Atlanton Marcus on 01/07/2008 00:58:26
Originally by: Tankn00blicus
Originally by: Atlanton Marcus
Originally by: Arthor Dark
If you're gonna do pirate faction missions, atleast do it for the correct one - Serpentis. Any other faction in the game is worth 4 to 5 times less.
And why would this be?
A snake! A snake! Snake! A snake! Oh, it's a snake!!
Okay... Snakes are quite profitable. 
However, I can't believe that the LPs would be worth 5 times that of a faction like the Angels when it has ships like the Machariel.
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Captain Agemman
Minmatar
Legio Ultra
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Posted - 2008.07.01 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Atlanton Marcus
However, I can't believe that the LPs would be worth 5 times that of a faction like the Angels when it has ships like the Machariel.
A machariel BPC costs 400k LP and 100m isk. Mineral cost to build it are somewhere around 95m.
So at current levels you get 1500-2000 isk per LP with the Machariel.
The Angel store got better since the removal of the overseer from AE4, you could buy Halo Omega implants in Jita cheaper than the ISK the LP store requires, giving you actually negative ISK per LP.
That said, it is nowhere near as profitable as snakes. |
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