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Phroneo Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.27 16:51:00 - [1] I have been watching the videos and am curious about what will the next step be with ambulation after its released. I am also curious when we will be able to explore planets. I understand its a distant goal but realistically, will it be out withing 5 years for example? The other part of this post deals with ideas. Eve has a lot of potential. You could choose to live on a sprawling planet or build a small hut on a small uninhabited planet. I imagine that one day, pirates and pilots with their corps and alliances, will co-exist with simple citizens who are interested in mostly second-life type stuff. These people could see their goals as touring planets, and systems etc. From the videos, it seems EVE will have an extremely advanced social interaction system. We could potentially have two very different games but the difference would be that there would be many planets to choose from, mostly empty. These could be procedurally generated to an extent along with the possible life-forms. Empire space could be safe but we could have planets with exotic species, minerals and scenery where you could reside but would be at risk of having everything destroyed. Sorry for the idealistic splurge but I am excited about the future and hope that is is really bright. Maybe some of you have ideas on how things could become. -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
Bleeshtar	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:14:00 - [2] In a word teabagging.
Apoctasy The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:18:00 - [3] Since CCP claims you don't actually ever have to leave your ship during ambulation and can still use the game the same way, I will.
Phroneo Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Bleeshtar In a word teabagging. Hey if we can lie down, I can even imagine a type of brothel thing happening in some dingy crop office haha. If you can't its still possible but not as good. -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:21:00 - [5] To take your idea further I wuld love to see CCP take a battlefield style combat system to planary combat. WE are pilots, no reason we can get into a 2 story tank and shoot people in the face, PEW PEW. Come on think about ammar tanks with gaint laser turrets! They've allready released a few 3D models of tanks and jets and dorpships and I'm worried they will go with an RTS style or pure eve style combat system. I believe Eve would bentifit from a many different play styles gameplay. Meaning you can fight in space in a RTS style game like now, or you could walk around in stations and planets building up markets and running abar, building a little home and such. Also being able to go gamble on station, or land on comet and go out on foot to mine them! I'm running for CSM, and if I get through on top of normal eve issues (which have now mostly all been covered and or on the CSM list to CCP) I will be supporting and trying to push along more in the future ideas for eve like what your talking about. Would be a good idea? that is for CCP, the players, and the other future CSM members to deside. However I can do what I can to help. so next election make sure to vote for mothermoon! the potential canidate :)
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:22:00 - [6] in 5 to 10 years they will probably render planets :P. ambulation they will patch the basic in character recreation, basic station walking around for ohh and ahh factor maybe some basic gambling and pseudo drinking bars, then they will spend the next month or two smoothing out the kinks, crashes, and horrible fps. :P my prediction anyway. on a side note after watching that 10 ton video with their character guy talking about it if they pull it off as invisioned it will be impressive since it seem they promising total customization way way beyond any mmo out there and saying it will be easy for the engine to handle to boot. there a reason in most other mmos that you get maybe 10 heads 15 20 hairstyles and maybe 50 different permuatations of garb, gear etc because your pc has to load and render it all wo blowing up. hard to see how 100+ entirely different character models then clothing on one station is going to render smooth. and i wont even mention jita stations.
Ryusoath Orillian Minmatar KYBOSHI TRADING	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:23:00 - [7] 1 . walking in stations 2 . various games playable in station (betting etc) 3. various fixes and improvements to ambulation generally, 4. the visiting of colonies on planets and moons. 5. ground based combat + player colonies/cities at some point the 2 different 'games' merge into one and eve has a fully realised ground based MMO as well as the current game. players could start and specialise in ground related activities and never even fly a ship. if eve had a ground game that was basically like pre-CU Star wars galaxies, that is all you would need. it would be bad ass. they will really need to be up to date with the server technology to keep it all together .
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Apoctasy Since CCP claims you don't actually ever have to leave your ship during ambulation and can still use the game the same way, I will. This is by far the most important part of any new gameplay types that could come into eve, they need to be carefully designed so that they are also 100% optional, and just another way to play the game, not what you have to do. the war can and should be on different fronts. This would also make your profession choice more important, as these new play styles are going to add a lot of skills and thus by staying in space you'll become stronger and stronger in your field while other players become weaker in space. I will never support forced gameplay. Also Expansions on space flight can never be ignored, it must continue to expand as well. But I have a feeling more players would be happy if all that was changed about space fleet warfare was simply lag.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:26:00 - [9] What I want to know first, and before I get all idealistic. Is that, does it seem like Ambulation is going to be the December expansion at this point? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Ryusoath Orillian 1 . walking in stations 2 . various games playable in station (betting etc) 3. various fixes and improvements to ambulation generally, 4. the visiting of colonies on planets and moons. 5. ground based combat + player colonies/cities at some point the 2 different 'games' merge into one and eve has a fully realised ground based MMO as well as the current game. players could start and specialise in ground related activities and never even fly a ship. if eve had a ground game that was basically like pre-CU Star wars galaxies, that is all you would need. it would be bad ass. they will really need to be up to date with the server technology to keep it all together . That's the kind of additude we need! So do you think it should be like other mmorpgs and just click to attack? Or do you think a more mass effect style comat would work with player skill and stats are both being used at the same time? personaly I don't want to see levels in any kind of combat in eve ever. Older players should always be able to be killed by other players even if they are just joining. Well with a good number of them at least :P OR should on foot stuff be ignore and eve just stick with things liek tanks? planes? mecha? KAK you'll still a pilot jsut not in space. speaking of which what do you guys think about aout a ship that is a shuttle or something and can land on planets and transform into a walking mech :P
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:31:00 - [11] Originally by: An Anarchyyt What I want to know first, and before I get all idealistic. Is that, does it seem like Ambulation is going to be the December expansion at this point? Check out the fanfest page mate this years fanfest will have ambulation open on the floor for people to play. Seems like good news to me.
Faife Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Nito Musashi in 5 to 10 years they will probably render planets :P. i'm not sure if "render" means what you think it means.
Phroneo Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:38:00 - [13] Originally by: MotherMoon speaking of which what do you guys think about aout a ship that is a shuttle or something and can land on planets and transform into a walking mech :P That is seriously cool idea. Imagine a raid on a city with such weapons. You get my vote next CSM! Anyway, it's interesting to have these ideas. I also think it should be completely optional though the two worlds should be dependent on each other. Some planet in the Jita system would basically be the new Earth. I do wonder how the size of things could work. Planets are reallllly big after all... -- It may be that the old astrologers had the truth exactly reversed, when they believed that the stars controlled the destinies of men. The time may come when men control the destinies of stars. ACC
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:40:00 - [14] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: An Anarchyyt What I want to know first, and before I get all idealistic. Is that, does it seem like Ambulation is going to be the December expansion at this point? Check out the fanfest page mate this years fanfest will have ambulation open on the floor for people to play. Seems like good news to me. Well, that is good news. Now all I need is to find an extra $1,000 somewhere. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:42:00 - [15] if we ever got to planetary combat why not just fps based quake wars type play cept much grander. would be fun for a diversion and a new way for people to get their ep33n on. or copy neocron's shooting mechanics and level up skills by using them as opposed to buy a book and sit in space while assault rifles trains up. but in any case all this is pie in the sky beyond walking around on stations and years off for anything as grand as planetary warfare with ground troops, tanks, mechs etc. but would be the ultimate to keep eve current and fresh if they did start planning this stuff it really would open up the game and make the whole universe seem more alive.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:44:00 - [16] Because see, if Pod Pilots are the Demi-Gods of the Eve world, why would they fight as grunts? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:45:00 - [17] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: An Anarchyyt What I want to know first, and before I get all idealistic. Is that, does it seem like Ambulation is going to be the December expansion at this point? Check out the fanfest page mate this years fanfest will have ambulation open on the floor for people to play. Seems like good news to me. Well, that is good news. Now all I need is to find an extra $1,000 somewhere. sob sob sob :( However I might just have to as this year will be the last year I could go and the GDC is like 2000$ even with my student discount :/
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:48:00 - [18] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: An Anarchyyt What I want to know first, and before I get all idealistic. Is that, does it seem like Ambulation is going to be the December expansion at this point? Check out the fanfest page mate this years fanfest will have ambulation open on the floor for people to play. Seems like good news to me. Well, that is good news. Now all I need is to find an extra $1,000 somewhere. sob sob sob :( However I might just have to as this year will be the last year I could go and the GDC is like 2000$ even with my student discount :/ It's the damn stupid flight prices. Who would've thoght New York to Iceland would be so expensive? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Phroneo Originally by: MotherMoon speaking of which what do you guys think about aout a ship that is a shuttle or something and can land on planets and transform into a walking mech :P That is seriously cool idea. Imagine a raid on a city with such weapons. You get my vote next CSM! Anyway, it's interesting to have these ideas. I also think it should be completely optional though the two worlds should be dependent on each other. Some planet in the Jita system would basically be the new Earth. I do wonder how the size of things could work. Planets are reallllly big after all... watch the fanfest video on trinity www.eve-online.tv at the end they show pictures of planary combat. I also had a thread up with shots but I can't find it anywhere.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:57:00 - [20] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Because see, if Pod Pilots are the Demi-Gods of the Eve world, why would they fight as grunts? Right, but this shouldn't stop tanks from having grunts that work the same way as drones
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 17:58:00 - [21] Originally by: An Anarchyyt It's the damn stupid flight prices. Who would've thoght New York to Iceland would be so expensive? Well the dollar sucks :( So if our econmy wasn't so bad it would cost like 200-300$ cheaper.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Nito Musashi or copy neocron's shooting mechanics and level up skills by using them as opposed to buy a book and sit in space while assault rifles trains up. As I see it in a FPS or 3rd person shooter with tanks and such which I personaly see working better, I believe you level up by getting a better idea of when to ashoot, tarvel times on the bullets, and just a steadier hand, no reason to put levels into an FPS. upgrade however, sure. Faster buttles that reach the target faster, bigger bullets, faster engines. All great stuff but it should be bought with money no skills or levels. Which is what is great about eve, faction gear is better than tech 2 thus the idea that putting more time into eve doesn't get you futher faster is a lie. you can pimp out a tech 1 ship to be stronger than a tech 2 ship with the isk. thus if you grind the isk you get up faster. sure tech 2 is cheaper and thus makes your lifeeasier yes, but the point is eve is a isk grinding/trading/scaming game. However you can get it!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:02:00 - [23] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 27/06/2008 18:01:57 I am reminded of the part in Brood Wars with the Terran Battleship in the sky and the grunts getting slaughtered by Zerg. That would be pod pilots in the battleship. But I can imagine how great it would be with 0.0 empires having planets and populations, and orbital bombardments, and what I imagine, would be amazing, and make total sense, is something like the 1998 version of Battlezone. For those who don't know, it was basically a first-person shooter, tank simulator, and RTS. And an amazing game. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:03:00 - [24] People lining up to take a spoon to the eye of SirMolle. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:13:00 - [25] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 27/06/2008 18:01:57 I am reminded of the part in Brood Wars with the Terran Battleship in the sky and the grunts getting slaughtered by Zerg. That would be pod pilots in the battleship. But I can imagine how great it would be with 0.0 empires having planets and populations, and orbital bombardments, and what I imagine, would be amazing, and make total sense, is something like the 1998 version of Battlezone. For those who don't know, it was basically a first-person shooter, tank simulator, and RTS. And an amazing game. Maybe we could use pod tech to transfer into our grunts bodies and mind control them? :P but yeah a battlezone type game would be much better than an RTS that CCP have talk about making it. Which is part of why I'm running I don't want CCP to just make plans without the community imput on planary combat and other aspects of the game in the future. Becuase they take 1-2 years to build this stuff I think we need to give them ideas early.
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Zinras on 27/06/2008 18:19:17 I predict that exactly 5 minutes after the first people are walking in stations, the first brothel will be opened. And then the full potential of female alt accounts will be realised and the ISK will flow (sup transparent Gallente clothes?). Also, the ability for characters to get incredibly drunk and wake up with a hangover and a "WTF did I do last night?" expression on their face. Likewise, there will be corporate offices where people will be able to use drugs and boosters, making that stuff very profitable. Mark my words, these things will happen Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:19:00 - [27] only threw neocron out there as it was maybe one of the best hybrids of a fps/rpg mmo where you did not have to a be a pure fps player to play it since your skills just enabled you to track and shoot more efficiently and reduce recoil. it was not a twitch game by any means where most fps are all about twitch. while i enjoy shooting people in the face in quake, crysis, unreal, etc its not everyones cup of tea.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:40:00 - [28] Originally by: Nito Musashi only threw neocron out there as it was maybe one of the best hybrids of a fps/rpg mmo where you did not have to a be a pure fps player to play it since your skills just enabled you to track and shoot more efficiently and reduce recoil. it was not a twitch game by any means where most fps are all about twitch. while i enjoy shooting people in the face in quake, crysis, unreal, etc its not everyones cup of tea. very true, which is why I brought up mass effects, but the whole point of my campain isn't my ideas it's the communities thus if the communited liked your suggestion of this type of hybrid over a different type I would vote my support for it officaly. But yeah I've never played that game so I'll check it out. However I still have a feeling its in the spirt of things to keep us in mechs the smallest, even if that means 15 foot tall walker robot you could still fps or 3rd poerson shoot. :)
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:54:00 - [29] Originally by: darkest Nightmare My bet... or hope should that be is once release the next step will be active lipsyncing with eve voice Then maybe the ability to creat movies .. Clear Skies for real anyone ? they talked about doing that but... with players like me would are male it would be wierd as ****, and you can't get sex changes yet to my dismay.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.27 18:54:00 - [30] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 27/06/2008 18:56:12 Eve version of Mechwarrior would still be interesting. Although ever since I played Mechwarrior 2 I wished there was an MMO. It was so built for one. Also, Neocron has always looked interesting, never sure if it was worth it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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