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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
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Posted - 2008.06.27 22:38:00 -
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You've swung this round of video cards straight into your hands.
For a price cheaper than the 8800 series, you can get a http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814103060.
800 stream processors.
Wish I would have waited for this round of video cards to build my rig...well back to building my rig.
 Originally by: Amoxin
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.06.28 00:15:00 -
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You can get a 9800 gtx now for that price. 4850 beats in real game FPS counts just as often as it is beaten by the 9800 with a slight edge towards the 4850 I fink.
Yes congratulations are in order. it is good to see some competition in the PC hardware market again. Now if only AMD can get their CPU act together.
Originally by: Crumplecorn
These is a forum for this.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 03:08:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 28/06/2008 03:08:58
Originally by: pwnedgato
You can get a 9800 gtx now for that price. 4850 beats in real game FPS counts just as often as it is beaten by the 9800 with a slight edge towards the 4850 I fink.
don't forget that they dropped the price of the 9800 solely because of that
also, 4850 in CF mode (400$ solution) beats the 280GTX wich is a single card solution of arround 500/600$.
problem with this is that CF is not that reliable yet.
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Posted - 2008.06.28 08:20:00 -
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Depending on where you are the 9800GTX is quite a bit more expensive (a number of dutch online stores do offer the 4850 for Ç150-Ç170, but the 9800GTX is still between Ç250-Ç350, not even GTX+ versions either).
The 4850 and the soon to be available 4870 are great cards at an amazing price-point, I'm quite curious how nVidia is going to respond, because dropping the price of the GTX260 and GTX280 to compete isn't really an option because of the difficulty producing those cards' massive chips keeping their price pretty high as a result. (low yields basically, the chips are easily twice the size of their ATI counterparts)
Its indeed good to see ATI back in the GPU race, hopefully the competition will drive prices down a little across the board.
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 08:32:00 -
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Edited by: Xrak on 28/06/2008 08:32:09
Originally by: Grimpak
also, 4850 in CF mode (400$ solution) beats the 280GTX wich is a single card solution of arround 500/600$.
problem with this is that CF is not that reliable yet.
Agreed, when CF works, my god it works bloody well, unfortunately when it doesn't work you only see the performance of 1 card. Hopefully they can work out more of these issues since atm it seems like CF only works with about 70% of games, which if you are spending that much money is not an acceptable figure.
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Aggressive Tendencies
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.28 08:36:00 -
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While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Originally by: Jago Kain
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lord MuffloN
While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Erm you mean those drivers where if there is a performance boost they hold them back till ATI has something new? Sounds good to me, right?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Lord MuffloN
While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Erm you mean those drivers where if there is a performance boost they hold them back till ATI has something new? Sounds good to me, right?
Well, the main reason I'm always a NVIDIA man is because of their generally smoother driver support in Linux compared to ATI. Once ATI cards are running comparitvely well on Linux, they'd become far more competitive for me.
[That is, if they aren't already. I haven't bought a new graphics card (and so paid a great deal of attention to these things) in a fair few years now, so maybe it already is improved.]
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Aggressive Tendencies
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.28 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Lord MuffloN
While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Erm you mean those drivers where if there is a performance boost they hold them back till ATI has something new? Sounds good to me, right?
I'm a laptop user, believe me, you don't want to use ATI cards on laptops...
Originally by: Jago Kain
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 10:41:00 -
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Bah, laptop users!
With regards the ATI Linux drivers, I don't use Linux, so I don't really know but I think they went open source with them or something so might be worth checking out.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 28/06/2008 11:36:09
Originally by: Lord MuffloN
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Lord MuffloN
While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Erm you mean those drivers where if there is a performance boost they hold them back till ATI has something new? Sounds good to me, right?
I'm a laptop user, believe me, you don't want to use ATI cards on laptops...
I prefer ATI, and I still concur with this statement: ATI cards on laptops = CRIPES!
Originally by: Xrak
Edited by: Xrak on 28/06/2008 08:32:09
Originally by: Grimpak
also, 4850 in CF mode (400$ solution) beats the 280GTX wich is a single card solution of arround 500/600$.
problem with this is that CF is not that reliable yet.
Agreed, when CF works, my god it works bloody well, unfortunately when it doesn't work you only see the performance of 1 card. Hopefully they can work out more of these issues since atm it seems like CF only works with about 70% of games, which if you are spending that much money is not an acceptable figure.
the CF problems seems to be more driver-related than anything else. With the recent push into scalable mid-end multi-gpu architectures that ATI/AMD seems to be making, we might expect better driver support from it.
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Shinnen
Caldari
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2008.06.28 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord MuffloN
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: Lord MuffloN
While I'm a NVIDIA fanboy (It's the only thing I've ever been a fanboy too, and it's because of their lovely drivers) I got to say congratulations as this will make prices fall!
Erm you mean those drivers where if there is a performance boost they hold them back till ATI has something new? Sounds good to me, right?
I'm a laptop user, believe me, you don't want to use ATI cards on laptops...
Bot true tbh, maybe for the new ones, but I have an x1600 mobility in my laptop that runs COD4 at 720p low settings at like 70FPS, and Crysis low res and settings are like 20FPS (good enough for campaign mode).
It's about 2 years old, but I'm still happy with it, it performs pretty well. |
Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Shinnen
Bot true tbh, maybe for the new ones, but I have an x1600 mobility in my laptop that runs COD4 at 720p low settings at like 70FPS, and Crysis low res and settings are like 20FPS (good enough for campaign mode).
Not exactly the best defense for a graphics card I've ever seen |
Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kappas.
Originally by: Shinnen
Bot true tbh, maybe for the new ones, but I have an x1600 mobility in my laptop that runs COD4 at 720p low settings at like 70FPS, and Crysis low res and settings are like 20FPS (good enough for campaign mode).
Not exactly the best defense for a graphics card I've ever seen
For a midrange laptop card I'd say that was pretty ******* good.
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laotse
Gallente
The Flying Dutchmen
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.28 18:10:00 -
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i use cf and it work,s great, so people telling that its full of problems dont no wat the saying  |
Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: laotse
i use cf and it work,s great, so people telling that its full of problems dont no wat the saying
This image kinda proves the point that XF is not perfect and still has some major issue.
But it mostly working well and has seen massive improvements in the last 6 months, so a few more months and hopefully ATI will be there.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.06.28 19:34:00 -
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lol, crossfire.
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.06.28 22:23:00 -
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I liked the 9600 and x1600 i had, but they caused a hell of a lot of trouble driver-wise. I'd rather wait for a comparable NVidia card than get an Ati card right now, unless Ati somehow managed to suddenly stop adding a couple of tons of suck to their drivers.
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.28 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
lol, crossfire.
Yea 2 x ú125 cards giving the same performance as one ú430 card. That is kinda lol right?
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laotse
Gallente
The Flying Dutchmen
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 01:11:00 -
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seems that some of you dont read new ati cards and there perfomence and price its your loss
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emma louise
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:15:00 -
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4870 available in australia from the supplier i use anyways.. (altech)
$300 for the HIS model...and $330 for the Gigabyte model...pretty much 6 one way half dozen the other..tho the HIS model runs hotter than the gigabyte..HIS will address with a bios update to crank the fan harder..
My oh my this is shaping up to be a stellar round for ati/amd...these cards kick ****in ass...and the price as pointed out above...is stellar
the 280 gtx cards have one trump card tho....intergrated PhysX.. (which nvidia inhereted when they brought out ageia)...
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emma louise
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: emma louise on 29/06/2008 02:25:40
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: laotse
i use cf and it work,s great, so people telling that its full of problems dont no wat the saying
This image kinda proves the point that XF is not perfect and still has some major issue.
But it mostly working well and has seen massive improvements in the last 6 months, so a few more months and hopefully ATI will be there.
Lets roll with: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=581&type=expert&pid=10
This is a link of a WHOLE review of the 280 gtx v 2 x 4870...clearly showing the 4870's in crossfire kicking a$$....
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
I liked the 9600 and x1600 i had, but they caused a hell of a lot of trouble driver-wise. I'd rather wait for a comparable NVidia card than get an Ati card right now, unless Ati somehow managed to suddenly stop adding a couple of tons of suck to their drivers.
that's why one uses the omega drivers
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Bom Bast
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Posted - 2008.06.29 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Bom Bast on 29/06/2008 03:16:11
You mean ATI, after bombing again... and again... and AGAIN... for over FOUR years, has finally got a good card? This honestly surpises me.
However... this wont last long. NVidia still has the street rep that one good card wont buy for ATI... AMD/ATI is leaking money like a screen door on a submarine, while NVidia not only has a nice treasure trove, it has a BIG treasure trove which is now allowing them to compete in more and more fields.
Basically... AMD/ATI needs to survive and beat NVidia for at least 3 card cycles before this means anything. Otherwise... ATI made a nice card, and is selling it cheaply enough to go bankrupt. Whoop-de-do. |
Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 03:33:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 29/06/2008 03:33:38
Originally by: Bom Bast
Edited by: Bom Bast on 29/06/2008 03:16:11
You mean ATI, after bombing again... and again... and AGAIN... for over FOUR years, has finally got a good card? This honestly surpises me.
However... this wont last long. NVidia still has the street rep that one good card wont buy for ATI... AMD/ATI is leaking money like a screen door on a submarine, while NVidia not only has a nice treasure trove, it has a BIG treasure trove which is now allowing them to compete in more and more fields.
Basically... AMD/ATI needs to survive and beat NVidia for at least 3 card cycles before this means anything. Otherwise... ATI made a nice card, and is selling it cheaply enough to go bankrupt. Whoop-de-do.
actually, ATI changed strategy.
the 4xxx series are not that different from the 3xxx series. You can say that the 4xxx series are in fact, improved 3xxx with more unified shaders and DX10.1 support, wich means that you have pretty much saved allot of money in R&D, wich helps to keep the costs low.
what ATI wants to do now is to invest in the mid-range market by making GPU's that can be either scaled up or down, and improve their multi-gpu scalability, while NV is going for the monolithical "ZOMG TEH BESTEST OF THE BESTEST!" gpu and then scales down from there.
TL;DR: ATI is investing in cheaper GPU's that can be scaled up or down, while NV is going for the top of the line GPU's and bases the GPU line from there (top of the line GPU's that are scaled down/decreased clock speeds/less shaders/etc). The result is that ATI gets a bigger slice of the low/mid-end market (where most of the market is), while NV has a production more directed to the hi-end market due to the R&D production costs on developing the best of the best, of the best.
both are sane strategies, since the hi-end market also yields good ammount of cash, but the majority of the market is actually mid-end. |
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:10:00 -
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Heres the problem with that strategy... it doesn't work. People like big numbers, and when they see somebody with the bigg'uns, they'll go there. Even if the can't afford the top tier, you'll go with the guy who makes the best (car companies use the strategy as well, with there 'flagship' models. Think Nissan's Maxima/Altima). ATI's market shares clearly show this to be true.
And I hope ATI does spend on R&D... AMD got a winner, stretched it far and wide, and looked what happened to them. And ATI dosn't even have the advantage of being on top... |
Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.06.29 04:49:00 -
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Wow....that looks absolutely gorgeous. And I do need a new card but... DAMMIT! WHY DID I HAVE TO GET A DELL PIECE OF !@#$% THAT I CAN'T F'N UPGRADE?! Oh, if only I could go back in time 3 years..... |
Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.06.29 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Bom Bast
Heres the problem with that strategy... it doesn't work. People like big numbers, and when they see somebody with the bigg'uns, they'll go there. Even if the can't afford the top tier, you'll go with the guy who makes the best (car companies use the strategy as well, with there 'flagship' models. Think Nissan's Maxima/Altima). ATI's market shares clearly show this to be true.
And I hope ATI does spend on R&D... AMD got a winner, stretched it far and wide, and looked what happened to them. And ATI dosn't even have the advantage of being on top...
Lets put it this way, if you had to choose between a great card that costs $650 (the GTX280) or a card that has 90% of the GTX' performance but only costs $300 (the HD4870) which would you buy?
The ATI one wins in this scenario, and that goes for many hardware enthusiasts aswell.
They have the option of getting a more stable mobo (intel chipsets with CF) rather than nVidia's more unstable SLI capable nForce chipsets and they use less money to get numbers nearly as big.
Heck they can even get 2 4870s and still be cheaper than the nVidia card and have bigger numbers by a nice margin. With ATI working hard to eliminate micro-stutter from its Crossfire setups and improving support for it ATI has a big winner on their hands this round.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.29 09:07:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 29/06/2008 09:09:47
Originally by: Bom Bast
Heres the problem with that strategy... it doesn't work. People like big numbers, and when they see somebody with the bigg'uns, they'll go there. Even if the can't afford the top tier, you'll go with the guy who makes the best (car companies use the strategy as well, with there 'flagship' models. Think Nissan's Maxima/Altima). ATI's market shares clearly show this to be true.
And I hope ATI does spend on R&D... AMD got a winner, stretched it far and wide, and looked what happened to them. And ATI dosn't even have the advantage of being on top...
it doesn't? latest batch of ATI cards seems to say otherwise
all that ATI needs to do is improving crossfire.
oh and don't compare cars with computer parts.
electronics is a much more volatile market than the vehicle market (you're not changing car every year, nor the manunfacturers are releasing upgraded versions of the vehicles every 6 months, now are they?)
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Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.06.29 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: emma louise
Edited by: emma louise on 29/06/2008 02:27:22
Edited by: emma louise on 29/06/2008 02:25:40
Originally by: Xrak
Originally by: laotse
i use cf and it work,s great, so people telling that its full of problems dont no wat the saying
This image kinda proves the point that XF is not perfect and still has some major issue.
But it mostly working well and has seen massive improvements in the last 6 months, so a few more months and hopefully ATI will be there.
Lets roll with: http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=581&type=expert&pid=10
This is a link of a WHOLE review of the 280 gtx v 2 x 4870...clearly showing the 4870's in crossfire kicking a$$....
for the record im a nvidia fangurl myself
I would hesitate before quoting a review that puts single cards against 2x setups? Besides, in both batches the nvidia framerates look a lot more stable. Except for one test it has by far the highest min fps. |
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