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Batchie Minmatar NOTI Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:41:00 - [1] Assuming that you have perfect skills for mining both, and used a fully fitted T2 hulk for the veld, and a mackinaw for the ice, which would make more money per hour??? Im pretty lazy so i just figured id ask, someone must know! Share the knowledge! Oh, mining ice in high sec, btw. Obviously the dangerous ice will make more money, but danger scares me.
Matthew Cooper Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:44:00 - [2] In before Chribba. Originally by: Tarminic Stop posting with your alt Kieron.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:45:00 - [3] Funny you should ask, they make roughly the same profit per hour. Ice has the advantage of being more AFK-friendly, though. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:50:00 - [4] both have ceased to be profitable, unless you are jihadswarm
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:51:00 - [5] It is something like Mazinga vs Goldrake? Or King Kong vs Godzilla?
Batchie Minmatar NOTI Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:55:00 - [6] King Kong would beat godzillas face, twice. Im not even going to make the g in godzilla a capital, thats how bad King Kong would beat him.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:57:00 - [7] Godzilla would win, hands down.
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:58:00 - [8] Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 20:03:15 At present, Veldspar on average is at a selling price of 3.0 ISK/pu. Without factor in refining, at a rate of 1000m3/min - you can mine at a revenue of 5.4 million ISK per hour at best. There is different kinds of ice, and fuel prices vary - so how much you make will be determined by what kind of ice you choose to mine. The most profitable isotope type to go with right now I believe is Nitrogen Isotopes (White Glaze). At this time in high sec: Nitrogen Isotpes can sell at a rate of 300-380 ISK/pu, Liquid Ozone can sell at a rate of 220-230 ISK/pu, and Heavy water at 25-30 ISK/pu, and Stront at around 600 ISK/pu. So - at a rate of 500m3/min mining White Glaze, you would be looking at a profit range of 2.92-3.65 million ISK, mining White Glaze. I don't know what all is in ice belts - sorry, never mined it before - there may be other ice that is better than that - but chances are it's not in high sec I bet. I believe you can mine, by yourself at max skills /w the best fits, at a rate of almost 2034m3/min in a Hulk - 824m3/min in a Mackinaw mining ice. So, at the rate of profit for Ice and veld... You'd bring in a max revenue of 10.98 million ISK per hour in the Hulk mining Veldspar. You'd bring in a max revenue of 6.01 million ISK per hour in the Mackinaw mining White Glaze.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:58:00 - [9] Originally by: Tamia Clant Funny you should ask, they make roughly the same profit per hour. Ice has the advantage of being more AFK-friendly, though. Yes please be more afk while mining ice it certinaly does make things easier.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.28 19:59:00 - [10] oops i summoned them LOL
Batchie Minmatar NOTI Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:01:00 - [11] Ok, well. I currently mine veld in my hulk, thats why i was asking. And since they make about the same, but the fields are much more sparse and id have to move from my current home system AND id have to buy a mackinaw, i'll just stick to mining with my hulk. Thanks.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:03:00 - [12] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Tamia Clant Funny you should ask, they make roughly the same profit per hour. Ice has the advantage of being more AFK-friendly, though. Yes please be more afk while mining ice it certinaly does make things easier. You're welcome. (and no, I don't mine ice myself, but good luck with the jihad)
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Batchie Ok, well. I currently mine veld in my hulk, thats why i was asking. And since they make about the same, but the fields are much more sparse and id have to move from my current home system AND id have to buy a mackinaw, i'll just stick to mining with my hulk. Thanks. Good idea - though they don't seem to be the same, seems like the Veldspar is almost double the profit Also keep in mind that if your a good producer, you can produce with the Veld, and increase its value - you cannot do that with ice products.
Shintai Gallente Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Shintai on 28/06/2008 20:15:47 People that mines ice are 90% macros. 5% corp members mining fuel for corp POS towers. 5% people semi afk mining at work etc. I dont think anyone is dumb enough to get 60% only due to stupidity of mining ice. It needs a very specific reason.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:16:00 - [15] Edited by: Rooker on 28/06/2008 20:16:12 Originally by: Tamia Clant Funny you should ask, they make roughly the same profit per hour. Ice has the advantage of being more AFK-friendly, though. Don't do it AFK with a name like xjasdfa or you're likely to see me warping in on top of you with a fullgank Thorax and an alt to pick up whatever survives.
Batchie Minmatar NOTI Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Amastat Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 20:19:48 Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 20:18:57 Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 20:11:17 Edited by: Amastat on 28/06/2008 20:09:31 Originally by: Batchie Ok, well. I currently mine veld in my hulk, thats why i was asking. And since they make about the same, but the fields are much more sparse and id have to move from my current home system AND id have to buy a mackinaw, i'll just stick to mining with my hulk. Thanks. Good idea - though they don't seem to be the same, seems like the Veldspar is almost double the profit Also keep in mind that if your a good producer, you can produce with the Veld, and increase its value - you cannot do that with ice products. However, the downside of Tritanium mining is that it's a *** to haul compared to Ice. Mining ice in the Makinaw, your looking at 2340m3 of ice product to ship per hour of work - however, using the Hulk and mining Tritanium, your looking at a little over 36,000m3 per hour of work worth of Tritanium to ship around. Hope you have a freighter . This is why it may be advisable for people to mine other high sec ore besides Veldspar - stuff like Omber, Kernite, or even Plagioclase. The profit is only a little lower, believe it or not - yet it's just a fraction of the space required to ship piles of Tritanium. You can, believe it or not, make 11.6 million ISK per hour mining Kernite instead of Veldspar (more profitable) - and it's just under a mere 4000m3.** Lucky for me then, ive got a freighter.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:24:00 - [17] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 28/06/2008 20:23:58 spreadsheet for ore, ice and deepcore

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:38:00 - [18] This is a question that really doesn't need to be asked... Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.28 20:50:00 - [19] Mining for ice is a little different than Ore. But yes, Veld > Ice in terms of on-paper ISK per hour. First off, ice "roids" are huge, so its practically impossible to run out of ice in the belt, as supposed to the beloved Veld rock, which the whole system could run out fairly quickly. As a bonus, it would be quite rare for your ice cube to "pop" also. 2nd, the ice cycles are so much longer, so its more AFK, semi-AFK friendly. And your ice cube won't pop within 15 minutes. However, high sec ice systems are much more limited than decent mining systems. And they are .6 and lower so its much easier to get suicide ganked. The better ice barge, the Mack, is no where near as tough as a Hulk(not that the barges set records for their tanks).
Kano Sekor Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.07.04 06:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Matthew Cooper In before Chribba. Originally by: Chribba This is a question that really doesn't need to be asked... Epic! ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Gangus Minmatar Matari BackBone Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.07.04 07:10:00 - [21] Can we get back to the King Kong vs Godzilla please? Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose.
Xaziar Nortocus Forces Unknown Inc	Posted - 2008.07.04 07:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Chribba This is a question that really doesn't need to be asked... And....how many VELDnaughts have you built lately?? --------------------------------------------------
valeronx Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.04 07:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Chribba This is a question that really doesn't need to be asked... LOL..........so very true ! .

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