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Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.06.29 01:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Karlemgne on 29/06/2008 01:59:59 I just wanted to issue a shout out to all of the suicide gankers out there. Before today, I really didn't have much of an opnion about your profession, though I was inclined to see insurance payouts taken from you. After today, I love you guys. See I was moving my mission whoring alt from Caldari space to Minmatar space to utilize a lag free agent to earn myself a little isk. On my way I wasn't really paying attention to what was going on. I was warping gate-to-gate and jumping in and out of systems while chatting it up on vent. As neared the end of my journey I jump through a gate and see a flashy red Brutix shooting at a hauler. My immediate though was, "**** I wasn't paying attention and jumped my missioning Golem into low-sec." For a brief moment I sized up the situation. Just one flashy Brutix. I didn't have a point on the Golem, but I knew that if he didn't have any friends I could at least drive him off and make it back to the gate. So I uncloak and head for the gate, when I notice that Concord is spawning all around me. It suddenly hit me. I've jumped into a system just as a suicide gank has commenced. I then took a second and looked on my overview. No industrial ship. "Hmm..." I thought, and as Concord wtf pown'd the Brutix I started heading towards the giant secure container that the suicide victim dropped. I make it to the container. There is now a frigate of somesort salvaging the Brutix wreck, and nobody else around. I open the container and have a look. 500 million in rigs. So I go ahead and take them, 500 million richer, and continue my journey with the alt to the Minmatar agent. I just wanted to give a shout out to you guys, because I really appreciate your work. Especially when you do all the work and I reap all the rewards. Cheers! -Karlemgne
ScumLIfe Minmatar LSP Industries	Posted - 2008.06.29 02:03:00 - [2] This Needs to Happen to Me Damn It!
Calishere Caldari The Space BorderLine	Posted - 2008.06.29 02:18:00 - [3] ive come across this before, i ended up picking up 2x officer cpr's and a officer smartie made my week :)
willschn794	Posted - 2008.06.29 02:18:00 - [4] it's the only way to discourage suicide gankers
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.06.29 02:32:00 - [5] Why didn't they have someone ready to loot? That's what got me. It seems pretty stupid to blow someone up, and then have a hauler/looter come later.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.29 03:28:00 - [6] Hahaha... I sat around all day and didn't find anything worth ganking.... except a freighter I scanned, but I didn't exactly have backup. I have an itty V alt sitting next to me always though
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.06.29 04:32:00 - [7] You should try suiciding. ;o
Xunlao Blackthorne The Scope	Posted - 2008.06.29 07:16:00 - [8] Wow, what a nice suprise to jump on heh.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.29 07:17:00 - [9] Originally by: techzer0 Hahaha... I sat around all day and didn't find anything worth ganking.... except a freighter I scanned, but I didn't exactly have backup. I have an itty V alt sitting next to me always though I saw that scan and I looted a gankers prey, got a sisters scan probe launcher and some other random stuff. lost the probe launcher to unfortunate circumstances and said **** it I'm going suicide ganking. scanned a shuttle with a chimera bp + set of component bps to make a chimera (most likely copies), sadly he was close enough to the gate that it wasn't worth engaging. and then there it was, a bunch of fat skill books, 2 volleys and its dead. uncloak the crane, scoop the loot, and dock up. Post the kill mail and... 1.3 billion isk lost and a whole bunch of faction loot (that doesn't count to isk lost calculations) that I didn't even see on the scan (yea the skill books were that good that I didn't even scroll down) I love suicide gankers too
Kelron Queldine Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:34:00 - [10] In the week or so I spent trying to suicide gank on popular trade routes I found **** all worth shooting We didn't exactly have the ideal ganking setup as we didn't have enough firepower to go for the deep space transports, but at least we had a hauler ready. Maybe I should just use my alt to follow other gankers round instead, I can even continue my contract reselling at the same time.
Rakso Smith Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.06.29 15:01:00 - [11] so whats a good ship to use for suicide ganking?
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.29 15:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Rakso Smith so whats a good ship to use for suicide ganking? 5-6 Cruisers are cheap, and fitted right should work a treat. Obviously if your going after battleships, freighters and higher DPS things you might up that for a bunch of battleships. Don't bother with tank, because once concord turns up, your instapopped. Hint, avoid concord spawns. Or figure out how to distract them off the gate.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.06.29 19:16:00 - [13] Originally by: willschn794 it's the only way to discourage suicide gankers That's a shame, because he's trying to encourage them CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Sir SmellyFart	Posted - 2008.06.29 19:29:00 - [14] Always love these kind of topics
Cayleu GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.06.29 21:27:00 - [15] I've never understood why people who whine about this are constantly asking CCP to remove insurance for suicide ganking... as if the insurance payment is relevant at all. A suicider usually uses a throwaway ship with cheap fittings. The insurance payment isnt going to be very high at all compared to the high-value targets they go after. The insurance payment is usually just pocket change.
Karlemgne Tides Of War	Posted - 2008.06.30 04:06:00 - [16] Originally by: Cayleu I've never understood why people who whine about this are constantly asking CCP to remove insurance for suicide ganking... as if the insurance payment is relevant at all. A suicider usually uses a throwaway ship with cheap fittings. The insurance payment isnt going to be very high at all compared to the high-value targets they go after. The insurance payment is usually just pocket change. Removing insurance helps because it makes people think more seriously about using the suicide tactic. Meaning that you aren't as likely to go after something that carrying a single item worth only a few hundred million. It also raises the cost of Freighter ganks considerably, making them less likely targets. That's my take anyway.
Lakche	Posted - 2008.06.30 06:51:00 - [17] Well gee whiz gaise, that's the spirit. Remember, sharing is caring!
DarknessInc Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.06.30 07:42:00 - [18] I remember back when Privateers were big and I used to ninja-loot their kills along the Kisogo - Jita highway before they moved the jumpgate out of that system
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.06.30 08:11:00 - [19] Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 30/06/2008 08:11:00 lmao I just jumped through a gate and saw an abaddon and cnr fighting, cnr goes pop Hakim's modified large shield booster caldari navy shield boost amp 3x caldari navy cruise launchers 2x caldari navy bcu 1x dread gruista bcu 1x dread gurista heat dissipation field wasn't a suicide, but a good ninja loot
Dariah Stardweller Kuruwasu Industries	Posted - 2008.06.30 08:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Cayleu I've never understood why people who whine about this are constantly asking CCP to remove insurance for suicide ganking... as if the insurance payment is relevant at all. For me, I consider ganking a viable playstyle, and I suspect lifting insurance won't make much of an impact. BUT, getting your losses reimbursed when you make a consient decission to destroy your ship just doesn't compute.
murrue PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.06.30 09:29:00 - [21] Edited by: murrue on 30/06/2008 09:29:26 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Edited by: Chainsaw Plankton on 30/06/2008 08:11:00 lmao I just jumped through a gate and saw an abaddon and cnr fighting, cnr goes pop Hakim's modified large shield booster caldari navy shield boost amp 3x caldari navy cruise launchers 2x caldari navy bcu 1x dread gruista bcu 1x dread gurista heat dissipation field wasn't a suicide, but a good ninja loot Damned lucker, was my corpmate claiming a KR
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.06.30 09:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Cayleu I've never understood why people who whine about this are constantly asking CCP to remove insurance for suicide ganking... as if the insurance payment is relevant at all. A suicider usually uses a throwaway ship with cheap fittings. The insurance payment isnt going to be very high at all compared to the high-value targets they go after. The insurance payment is usually just pocket change. For t1 haulers and below, sure. For freighters and missionships the costs do start to matter. It would also reduce the numer of "for the lulz" random ganks, that are without a profit motive. It's also ridiculous, that you can suicide 1000dps battleships for 0 isk cost.
Jarrells Caldari Brotherhood of endless torment White Core	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Qui Shon Originally by: Cayleu I've never understood why people who whine about this are constantly asking CCP to remove insurance for suicide ganking... as if the insurance payment is relevant at all. A suicider usually uses a throwaway ship with cheap fittings. The insurance payment isnt going to be very high at all compared to the high-value targets they go after. The insurance payment is usually just pocket change. For t1 haulers and below, sure. For freighters and missionships the costs do start to matter. It would also reduce the numer of "for the lulz" random ganks, that are without a profit motive. It's also ridiculous, that you can suicide 1000dps battleships for 0 isk cost. 0isk, humm i do not think so. Ex: 90M for a ter2 BS. 30M for full insurance. Payout 108M. 12M loss for the ship, then you have to count in the mods to give you that 1000DPS, so 0 isk, no, just no.
urata	Posted - 2008.06.30 14:31:00 - [24] as a suicide gaker on faction ships i know something, and yes u can have 0isk losses only if u'r corp can go thru 0.0 and a char to build at perfect since price for minerals in 0.0 is lower , and also a jump freighter so: cost to make a raven :65m insurance :32m fittings to get 1kdps:10m ---- insurance pays :108m suicide ganking is easy, never loss loot but the nasty thing is raising sec. status again, there are ways to counter us(suicide gankers) but u realise i will not tell em, last try on my mission running golem was 12 bs, even if they had energy neutralizers and drones they left me with 90% structure so pls guys buy as many faction and officer stuff, took a while from my last gist x-type x-large booster drop
Ralara Caldari Vivicide	Posted - 2008.06.30 14:36:00 - [25] Originally by: Karlemgne Why didn't they have someone ready to loot? That's what got me. It seems pretty stupid to blow someone up, and then have a hauler/looter come later. Can't say mate but they were silly not to. When I suicide against haulers / small ships in empire, my alt in a blockade runner with MWD permanently running is set to stay 500 meters from my brutix. When I MWD towards a target so does my alt. As soon as I start F1-F7ing I switch to my alt's window and just wait for the loot can. I'm almost always within 1000 meters of it when it drops so makes it very hard for anyone to try and nab anything :)
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.07.01 09:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Jarrells 0isk, humm i do not think so. Ex: 90M for a ter2 BS. 30M for full insurance. Payout 108M. 12M loss for the ship, then you have to count in the mods to give you that 1000DPS, so 0 isk, no, just no. Hey if you can't take a look at the market, and see the many possibilities, I'm certainly not going to help you. I've got two 1000dps bs that I could insure and self destruct for a slight profit from what they cost me. Maybe I'll do you stupid raven as well someday, add it to the collection, if it's possible with it.

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