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Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 11:25:42 Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 11:24:19 Milta Wardecs need to be fixed. If the Alliance is immune to milta wardecing them, then why not vice versa? Just now Alliances can interfere with FW Milita corps and Milita cannot wardec them back. E.G Alliances interfering with Milita is nuts. Either let alliances join a faction or let them get sec loss for pirateing factions. E.G 2 in a system of neutrals, milita gang can be attack by random Alliance members who have a wardec but rest of milita gang cannot help otherwise they get sec loss. This is silly.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.29 11:31:00 - [2] Originally by: Xercies Ravere Ok you were a bit hard to read but i think I got the general statement. Wardecs agains Player corps in Militia should go ahead, otherwise people could exploit a system where you are in the militia you are immune to war decs. So I think if they had that system every corp would go into militia to stop them selves being war deced. Anyway being war deced means there are more targets If you wardec a milita corp, then the whole Milita needs to be able to fight back. E.G Playercorp is running a 20 man gang of milita. 3 of the 20 are under wardec. FC watches his gang get kileld in highsec and the rest of gang cannot help otherwise be concorded in high sec, or lose sec rating in low sec. This is the problem. Alliances can freely pick people to wardec so they are 100% immune from rest milita gang thought the eve universe.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.29 13:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Lucai Originally by: FlameGlow Originally by: Lucai In a way i agree with you Todes. It would be nice if the militia would work like normal alliances. Just be aware that this is a double-edged blade. Be careful with what you wish, for your wishes may become true. Can be, as long as wardec on entire militia makes you unwelcome in it's empire as per current rules for militias. While this sounds like the most logical thing at first there are problems. E.g. an industrial player corp that has nothing to do with FW could join up just to get the protection from the empire. Essentially they would be invulnerable as even if people declared on their militia they could never attack them. Or pirate corps camping entry points from 0.0 to highsec. If local anti-pirate corps or alliances would declare war on them to drive them off or keep the gate safe, these anti-pirate corps would be forced out of the highsec region by NPC navies and unable to use or defend the chokepoint camped by the pirates at all. In short, giving everyone who joins a militia protection effective full protection from all war declarations allows for a multitude of exploits (war declarations are to wage highsec war, but you cant do that if they never leave their navies jurisdiction, so essentially they are fully protected from wardecs). Milita corps can be ganked by enemy milita in high sec. Many haulers and a golem got ganked on gates by enemy milita.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.29 14:32:00 - [4] Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 14:33:46 Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 14:33:26 The fact you can join a NPC milita corp makes a mockery of the alliance wardec. 20man milita mixed gang. The alliance can attack the 2-3 wardecees and the rest of the milita can only watch helplessly. Either fix it so enemy milita can fight without sec loss/concord or fix it. Also people in the same milita can wardec each other which is the height of stupididy. I mean, the system needs to be fixed. A Caldari enemy can join the caldari milita and wardec caldari minita corps and caldari navy wont step in. There is no RP reasoning for allowing Gallente greifer corps to operate this way. It is only ok if the rest of the milita steps in.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.29 23:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 23:05:21 Gallente greifer corps join Caldari Milita Then wardec's caldari members. The Gallente corp can attack their own Milita. i mean, WTF? It is ok if caldari milita can fight back, but now you got greifer corps attacking their own milita's via wardecs and the milita gang cannot do anything due to concord or sec loss..
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.30 06:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Centra Spike Originally by: Market AltLOLOLOLO Edited by: Market AltLOLOLOLO on 29/06/2008 23:05:21 Gallente greifer corps join Caldari Milita Then wardec's caldari members. The Gallente corp can attack their own Milita. i mean, WTF? It is ok if caldari milita can fight back, but now you got greifer corps attacking their own milita's via wardecs and the milita gang cannot do anything due to concord or sec loss.. Why would a "gallente greifer corp" join the Caldari Militia? That means they would be shot at in Gallente/Minmatar space and valid targets for those militias. It'd be easier for them not to join a militia at all and "greif" you that way. Besides the Gallente corp would lose standings and be kicked out of the militia for shooting militia members... Its already happening. And there is nothing anyone can do to stop it other than wardec their own milita
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Dihania Originally by: Todes Wardecs onilitia corps provide a very unstable element into the Faction Warfare experience. Most of the payers in FW are inexpeencd players, with thiese wardecs they have no place that they can consider safe. even getiscouraged with Facton Warfare. Th fct that tiese new players have nowhee t g to recoupe thier losses means that they leave FW There muste some way to del with thisprblem, such as a massive fee for deccing FW cops, or wardecingte whole militia, or even not allowing it Wow. Sorry, but how is a FW corp in any way different from a non FW corp ? ^. player run ^. player owned ^. own name / ticker to set it apart ^. taxes ^. organization Bla bla etc. How about all corps who want to escape wars join the FW and stay in empire high sec? FW is not an alliance, nor an alliance like system. And I hope it will never be... becasue once it is like that, alliances will declare war on you, roll over low sec and crap on your "blobs". hey smarty pants, how about corps in alliances wardecing each other while being in the same alliances? The Same loophole exist and greifer corps have joined the state to kill state members under wardec. Its a loophole. You do not need to justify it.
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.07.01 09:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Balen Organa I thought there were NPC FW corps. Join one of them and you wont be wardecced seems simple. I do however think if your in the militia and are attacked by a non militia member the respective militia should appear and help. Hey smarty pants, Can you wardec other members of your alliance? Seems stupid eh? Yet you have caldari milita corps wardecing caldari milita corps for greifing. Nobody can do anything vs greifer corps due to sec loss/corcord as well as caldari faction loss. Yeah, gallente greifers join caldari milita and kill milita corps and caldari state kicks out anyone trying to kill gallente greifers. I mean, wtf logic is that? Also, you cannot wardec 1 corp of a alliance. You have to wardec the entire alliance. Why is this different with the milita? It makes no sense at all
Market AltLOLOLOLO	Posted - 2008.07.02 14:42:00 - [9] Originally by: nVChicky Originally by: northwesten I really really cant see the problem in this. Think about it if they cant war dec a corp in the Militia then everyone will join it to try and avoid wars. I really feel that you are happy with the system as it suits you, it does not however make good gameplay for those in FW. Yes if War Dec's were stopped for FW Corps people would join to try and avoid wars but they will have just entered into a bigger war, won't be able to enter opposing faction high sec and will have quite a few more enemies! I dont think anyone joins FW to dodge wardecs.

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