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CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.29 18:10:00 - [1] Taking over where Armoured C left it. No need for big introductions, so here is the format he started and I simply ripped off and modified a bit NOTE: I will not list changes on individual stats since AC's last update on the 25th. Future updates will of course reflect the past 24 hours. Victory points per pilot is NOT accurate any longer. Ingame reports only show a rounded number, ie. 0.35m, not 357.039 making it much less accurate. But I will continue to list them anyway Stats for the last 24 hours ( - ) = kill stats < - > = victory point stats [ - ] = System control stats 19.896 have joined the war. 27.866 total kills since the beginning of the war. Caldari = 7731 pilots ( Total kills 6417 ) < Total VP 0.31 million > < 40.10 Victory points per pilot> [ 55 systems controlled ] Minmatar = 4615 pilots ( Total kills 7824 ) < Total VP 0.31 million > < 67.17 Victory points per pilot> [ 50 systems controlled ] Amarr = 2792 pilots ( Total kills 4042 ) < Total VP 0.27 million > < 96.70 Victory points per pilot> [ 20 systems controlled ] Gallente = 4758 pilots ( Total kills 9583 ) < Total VP 0.30 million > < 63.05 Victory points per pilot> [ 46 systems controlled ] Some stats removed for today, will add them tomorrow...
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:40:00 - [2] Updated with todays stats. Caldari lost 40 pilots while Minmatar gained 277. Gallente was the big winner on the killing side, while Amarr still holds the best distribution of VP per pilot...
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:42:00 - [3] Originally by: CrayC Updated with todays stats. Caldari lost 40 pilots while Minmatar gained 277. Gallente was the big winner on the killing side, while Amarr still holds the best distribution of VP per pilot... yet, while on the systems controlled front the caldari seems to be ahead by a very small and narrow margin, the minmatar have been pummeling hard on conquering amarr space. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Grimpak yet, while on the systems controlled front the caldari seems to be ahead by a very small and narrow margin, the minmatar have been pummeling hard on conquering amarr space. I wouldn't call 5 systems/10% a small margin But, since no systems have changed hands since yesterday, I didn't feel like mentioning that Amarr is going down the drain soon. It will all come in good time and then we can focus on the Caldari threat........ Can ya tell I'm in FDU?
Lubomir Penev interimo	Posted - 2008.06.30 13:49:00 - [5] LOL at Amarr killing more than Caldari with one third of the numbers... The Caldari militia needs Amarr military counselors, will make thing more more interesting... -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP!
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.01 15:56:00 - [6] Todays stats show that Amarr has gotten a nice boost in players, with 142 of the 169 new pilots going there. In other great news, which I totally overlooked yesterday due to a counting error on my behalf, by YESTERDAYS downtime, the Federal Defence Union had exactly 10.000 kills since the beginning of Factional Warfare. Congratulations guys
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:23:00 - [7] Edited by: Amastat on 01/07/2008 18:23:28 The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr. ' I'm also sure the Amarr Temple would fully support and condone this action too - talk about a increase in believers. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Ulstan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:54:00 - [8] Quote: The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr Why would they do that? Amarr is getting rolled by Minmatar, Caldari is at least managing to break even with Gallente. Besides, not like a big infusion of nub pilots would help amarr any - how well you do is largely independent of how many numbers you have on your side. If all that mattered was numbers, caldari would be owning everyone :D
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.07.01 18:56:00 - [9] Edited by: Amastat on 01/07/2008 18:56:36 Originally by: Ulstan Quote: The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr Why would they do that? Amarr is getting rolled by Minmatar, Caldari is at least managing to break even with Gallente. Besides, not like a big infusion of nub pilots would help amarr any - how well you do is largely independent of how many numbers you have on your side. If all that mattered was numbers, caldari would be owning everyone :D Yea, I guess I can agree. Caldari Milita going over to Amarr, even though the Amarr is more organized, would do nothing more than dilute the Amarr's organization - and it would essentially just make another Caldari Milita that's a little bigger. ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:33:00 - [10] Originally by: CrayC Victory points per pilot is NOT accurate any longer. Ingame reports only show a rounded number, ie. 0.35m, not 357.039 making it much less accurate. But I will continue to list them anyway Please, CCP, give us accurate numbers instead of rounding off to nearest k or m You can just multiply the number of pilots in that faction by the amount of VP's per pilot to get the same result. I.e. Caldari: 7648 x 43.15 = 330,011.20 VP Minmatar: 4958 x 66.56 = 330,004.48 VP Amarr: 2951 x 98.27 = 289,994.77 VP Gallente: 4807 x 68.65 = 330,000.55 VP -------- Billy Jean is not my lover

CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.02 07:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire You can just multiply the number of pilots in that faction by the amount of VP's per pilot to get the same result. I.e. Caldari: 7648 x 43.15 = 330,011.20 VP Minmatar: 4958 x 66.56 = 330,004.48 VP Amarr: 2951 x 98.27 = 289,994.77 VP Gallente: 4807 x 68.65 = 330,000.55 VP Not really, because I am doing the VP/Pilot ratio from the rounded numbers. That is why you get so close to 330.000 and 290.000. The point variations are due to me rounding up or down, ie. Amarr is actually 98,271772280582853270077939681464, but since I keep it to 2 digits, they loose some in the final result. That is why I REALLY wish CCP would get rid of the current form of K's and M's and show us the exact numbers. I KNOW that the numbers are greater than 330.000 on the 3 factions. It's almost impossible for them to be this close together, considering all the variables involved in FW. Looking at points gained "yesterday" and "last week", Minmatar got the most "yesterday" while Caldari got the most "last week". For the 3 factions to hit 330.000 on the same day and within 11 points of each other, that's very unlikely...
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.02 12:22:00 - [12] Nothing really exciting to tell today, except that Caldari lost a lot of numbers. Pilots and kills both went down, while the other 3 factions all gained in both. Minmatar are now in the lead with Victory points...
Demtalin le'Mercennaire The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.07.02 14:22:00 - [13] Originally by: CrayC Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire stuff... Not really, because I am doing the VP/Pilot ratio from the rounded numbers. Ah I see. I'm not in FW so I can't see the stats in game myself (it's why posts like this are so useful to me), the side effect of this is that I don't know which stats are given out to you in the game, I just assumed that VP per pilot was one of the in game readouts, I hadn't realised that it was a calculation done by you. And yea, I was a bit suspicious as to why they were all so close, but figured it must have been a coincidence or something :P Thanks for clearing this up for me. -------- Billy Jean is not my lover
Spike Hammer State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.02 18:57:00 - [14] Its safe to say that as of now no one is winning or losing.
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2008.07.02 19:27:00 - [15] Great work CrayC, much appreciated. Quick question though: Are you keeping a record of each days figures? Would be great to see a website with graphs to show the changing fortunes of the different sides :p
Diarrhea Aguilera	Posted - 2008.07.02 21:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 02/07/2008 21:59:04 I'd really wish CCP would not just provide us with kill numbers, but also with losses - as the Amarr aren't really putting up much resistance, some of us moved to Black Rise for some easy kills, as waiting for nothing to happen on the front is just boring. Plus the VP per pilot is a tad pointless - the only ratio actually favouring the Amarr - look at kills per pilot for instance - they're second worst after the Caldari... Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything...
Ulstan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.02 21:59:00 - [17] Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything... The plexes and system control are the only thing that count. Anything else is just meaningless e-peen waving.
Diarrhea Aguilera	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:41:00 - [18] Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 02/07/2008 22:41:46 Originally by: Ulstan Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything... The plexes and system control are the only thing that count. Anything else is just meaningless e-peen waving. No - actually it's exactly the other way around - we gank their ships, we have total superiority over the contested space and as a consequence we get the loot and - as a consequence of that - gain isk, which isn't any more or less meaningless than eve itself. An Amarr plex-dweller moves his ship through our space, providing us with a chance to gain isk whilst he's on route to the plex by ganking him and once he's arived there, he'll take the plex and gain exactly nothing. After a while he'll give us another chance to gank him on the way to the next plex whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it . Our Militia got isk and VP, the slaver got just VP - and frankly I couldn't care less about VP as they're about worth the price of any .0001 isk item in eve. So what's more pointless - getting isk or VP? Who's more eager to wave e-peen? The guys having the pleasure to make money whilst ganking slavers or the slavers losing it for a 'bigger' 16*16 pixel icon?
Spineker Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:52:00 - [19] Well with Caldari doing 100 man suicide runs into highsec who would have thought those numbers would be like that... Isk wise I bet cladari is ahead in ship kills with those 7100 kills.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:25:00 - [20] Edited by: CrayC on 03/07/2008 14:24:52 Todays update reveal some astonishing news... First, the number of Militia pilots have actually gone DOWN, although only by 13. Second, that brings us to a round number, 20.500 pilots. Kinda nice with a round number, but still a bit sad to go down. Third, blame Caldari! Too many have seen that Caldari is no longer the I-WIN-button race and have decided to leave, 45 pilots to be exact. Fourth, Minmatar managed to get a nice round number too, 300 kills. Yay you In response to the questions above, the stats available to all militia pilots ingame are Number of pilots, Kills per day/week/total, Victory points per day/week/total and Systems controlled, all for each of the four races. I then do my own calculations for VP per pilot, that is not listed anywhere. This is why I would love to have exact numbers from CCP. I have taken out the weekly kills and daily/weekly VP, as I do not find them interesting at all. VPs can be "chained" using the method described by Diarrhea Aguilera on a daily basis, so only the totals are interesting. Had I kept a record from the beginning, I would have the exact numbers and could continue as I do now with the Gallente kills, even though they are now being listed as 10.78k, when the real number is 10.788. As for keeping the stats from previous days, yes, I do have them. However, since I only started doing this after Armoured C stopped, I only have the stats from the downtime on the 29th of june, which is last sundays downtime. I have sent AC an evemail asking him for his stats, but I know he did not do updates every day, so it will always be inconclusive, unless SOMEONE (poke poke, CCP ) sends me the actual stats...

Ulstan Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:34:00 - [21] Quote: I couldn't care less about VP Yes, we know. That doesn't change the fact that they're the only measure of how well a militia is doing. Territories flip on VP. They do not flip on kills. Obviously more members of your militia realize the importance of capturing objectives, which is why minmatar has taken, what, 7 amarr systems now? But go on talking about how much isk you're making from all the t1 cruiser and frig wrecks you're finding :p
Lucai Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Lucai on 03/07/2008 14:54:19 The question of objectives is intriguing in my opinion. Is occupancy just a thing to get people involved in PVP over, or is PVP just an obstacle to overcome to gain occupancy, standing and rank. I guess you can never really agree on "victory or success conditions". I mean, what is the advantage of occupancy excect for "epeen waving"? In highsec youd probably gain navy support, but in lowsec? Question might sound dumb, but i have no idea, so please bear with me ;)
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:57:00 - [23] Edited by: FlameGlow on 03/07/2008 14:57:07 Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it [ You have no clue about plexes, do you?
Guillame Herschel Gallente Buffalo Soldiers	Posted - 2008.07.03 15:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera After a while he'll give us another chance to gank him on the way to the next plex whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it . What game is that? It isn't EVE Faction Warfare. See? Plexes are so pointless this Militia member hasn't a clue how they work, because there's no need to learn. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then* --**
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.03 20:54:00 - [25] Originally by: CrayC Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45 ( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 ) ( Total kills 7380 ) < Total VP 0.36 million > [ 55 systems controlled ] Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30 ( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 ) ( Total kills 10.788 ) < Total VP 0.35 million > [ 46 systems controlled ] Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect. They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well: There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started. That's a rate of 153.558 % There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente. That's only 142,341 % So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell.
Banana Torres Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.07.04 00:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: CrayC Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45 ( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 ) ( Total kills 7380 ) < Total VP 0.36 million > [ 55 systems controlled ] Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30 ( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 ) ( Total kills 10.788 ) < Total VP 0.35 million > [ 46 systems controlled ] Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect. They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well: There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started. That's a rate of 153.558 % There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente. That's only 142,341 % So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell. You really need to understand that your precious spreadsheets cannot give you the answer to everything. Every ship that your squid friends lose is a cause of great anguish to them, it makes such a mess of their profit and loss accounts. But most of the Gallente pilots don't give a shit, jumping in when they know that a ship is the most probable outcome. The morale of the Gallente troops is high. What does your spreadsheets tell you about the moral of the Caldary troops?
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.04 01:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Banana Torres You really need to understand that your precious spreadsheets cannot give you the answer to everything. Every ship that your squid friends lose is a cause of great anguish to them, it makes such a mess of their profit and loss accounts. But most of the Gallente pilots don't give a shit, jumping in when they know that a ship is the most probable outcome. The morale of the Gallente troops is high. What does your spreadsheets tell you about the moral of the Caldary troops? What does it tell about the morale ? It's simple, it shows that we are winning the war. It shows, that when a gallente undocks, he has a higher chance to be killed than caldari pilot. And kills of caldaris often mean kills of ibises kestrels or cheap fitted caracals, whereas killed gallentes often fly expensive ships, such as rigged t2 ships worth hundred millions of isk. Our killboard proves it: 62 bil. inflicted damage and only 23 bil received damage (and yes, we do post our lossmails, atleast the vast majority does). So as we receive less damage than we inflict on gallentes, our morale is quite ok i'd say, winning on every respect is boosting the morale, proving our superiority. It's good to be on the winner side
MrChook Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.07.04 02:34:00 - [28] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Our killboard proves it: 62 bil. inflicted damage and only 23 bil received damage (and yes, we do post our lossmails, atleast the vast majority does). So as we receive less damage than we inflict on gallentes, our morale is quite ok i'd say, winning on every respect is boosting the morale, proving our superiority. It's good to be on the winner side What complete rubbish. FW Stats API linky Quote: factionName="Gallente Federation" killsTotal="10788" factionName="Caldari State" killsTotal="7380" Your killboard is showing 3500 kills and 2000 losses. Even given that some of the kills/losses will be for the other 2 factions there is a huge disjoint between your "official" killboard and the figures given by CCP. Using your killboard as any sort of measure is just a waste of time.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.07.04 03:10:00 - [29] Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 04/07/2008 03:13:29 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Our killboard proves it: Not to be rude, but that's a hilariously naive combination of words. edit: And I'd say the same to any other militia. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Stab Wounds	Posted - 2008.07.04 05:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: CrayC Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45 ( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 ) ( Total kills 7380 ) < Total VP 0.36 million > [ 55 systems controlled ] Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30 ( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 ) ( Total kills 10.788 ) < Total VP 0.35 million > [ 46 systems controlled ] Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect. They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well: There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started. That's a rate of 153.558 % There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente. That's only 142,341 % So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell. gallente pwned again



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