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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.29 18:10:00 -
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Taking over where Armoured C left it. No need for big introductions, so here is the format he started and I simply ripped off and modified a bit 
NOTE: I will not list changes on individual stats since AC's last update on the 25th. Future updates will of course reflect the past 24 hours.
Victory points per pilot is NOT accurate any longer. Ingame reports only show a rounded number, ie. 0.35m, not 357.039 making it much less accurate. But I will continue to list them anyway 
Stats for the last 24 hours
( - ) = kill stats
< - > = victory point stats
[ - ] = System control stats
19.896 have joined the war.
27.866 total kills since the beginning of the war.
Caldari = 7731 pilots
( Total kills 6417 )
< Total VP 0.31 million >
< 40.10 Victory points per pilot>
[ 55 systems controlled ]
Minmatar = 4615 pilots
( Total kills 7824 )
< Total VP 0.31 million >
< 67.17 Victory points per pilot>
[ 50 systems controlled ]
Amarr = 2792 pilots
( Total kills 4042 )
< Total VP 0.27 million >
< 96.70 Victory points per pilot>
[ 20 systems controlled ]
Gallente = 4758 pilots
( Total kills 9583 )
< Total VP 0.30 million >
< 63.05 Victory points per pilot>
[ 46 systems controlled ]
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:40:00 -
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Updated with todays stats.
Caldari lost 40 pilots while Minmatar gained 277.
Gallente was the big winner on the killing side, while Amarr still holds the best distribution of VP per pilot...
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:42:00 -
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 Originally by: CrayC
Updated with todays stats.
Caldari lost 40 pilots while Minmatar gained 277.
Gallente was the big winner on the killing side, while Amarr still holds the best distribution of VP per pilot...
yet, while on the systems controlled front the caldari seems to be ahead by a very small and narrow margin, the minmatar have been pummeling hard on conquering amarr space.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
yet, while on the systems controlled front the caldari seems to be ahead by a very small and narrow margin, the minmatar have been pummeling hard on conquering amarr space.
I wouldn't call 5 systems/10% a small margin
But, since no systems have changed hands since yesterday, I didn't feel like mentioning that Amarr is going down the drain soon. It will all come in good time and then we can focus on the Caldari threat........
Can ya tell I'm in FDU? 
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.06.30 13:49:00 -
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LOL at Amarr killing more than Caldari with one third of the numbers... The Caldari militia needs Amarr military counselors, will make thing more more interesting...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.01 15:56:00 -
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Todays stats show that Amarr has gotten a nice boost in players, with 142 of the 169 new pilots going there. In other great news, which I totally overlooked yesterday due to a counting error on my behalf, by YESTERDAYS downtime, the Federal Defence Union had exactly 10.000 kills since the beginning of Factional Warfare. Congratulations guys 
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 01/07/2008 18:23:28
The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr. 
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I'm also sure the Amarr Temple would fully support and condone this action too - talk about a increase in believers.
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Ulstan
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:54:00 -
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The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr
Why would they do that? Amarr is getting rolled by Minmatar, Caldari is at least managing to break even with Gallente.
Besides, not like a big infusion of nub pilots would help amarr any - how well you do is largely independent of how many numbers you have on your side. If all that mattered was numbers, caldari would be owning everyone :D
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Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.07.01 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Amastat on 01/07/2008 18:56:36
Originally by: Ulstan
Quote:
The Caldari are so hopeless, they need to just go ahead and surrender to the Gallente, and go join the Amarr
Why would they do that? Amarr is getting rolled by Minmatar, Caldari is at least managing to break even with Gallente.
Besides, not like a big infusion of nub pilots would help amarr any - how well you do is largely independent of how many numbers you have on your side. If all that mattered was numbers, caldari would be owning everyone :D
Yea, I guess I can agree. Caldari Milita going over to Amarr, even though the Amarr is more organized, would do nothing more than dilute the Amarr's organization - and it would essentially just make another Caldari Milita that's a little bigger.
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Victory points per pilot is NOT accurate any longer. Ingame reports only show a rounded number, ie. 0.35m, not 357.039 making it much less accurate. But I will continue to list them anyway Please, CCP, give us accurate numbers instead of rounding off to nearest k or m 
You can just multiply the number of pilots in that faction by the amount of VP's per pilot to get the same result.
I.e.
Caldari: 7648 x 43.15 = 330,011.20 VP
Minmatar: 4958 x 66.56 = 330,004.48 VP
Amarr: 2951 x 98.27 = 289,994.77 VP
Gallente: 4807 x 68.65 = 330,000.55 VP
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire
You can just multiply the number of pilots in that faction by the amount of VP's per pilot to get the same result.
I.e.
Caldari: 7648 x 43.15 = 330,011.20 VP
Minmatar: 4958 x 66.56 = 330,004.48 VP
Amarr: 2951 x 98.27 = 289,994.77 VP
Gallente: 4807 x 68.65 = 330,000.55 VP
Not really, because I am doing the VP/Pilot ratio from the rounded numbers. That is why you get so close to 330.000 and 290.000. The point variations are due to me rounding up or down, ie. Amarr is actually 98,271772280582853270077939681464, but since I keep it to 2 digits, they loose some in the final result. That is why I REALLY wish CCP would get rid of the current form of K's and M's and show us the exact numbers.
I KNOW that the numbers are greater than 330.000 on the 3 factions. It's almost impossible for them to be this close together, considering all the variables involved in FW. Looking at points gained "yesterday" and "last week", Minmatar got the most "yesterday" while Caldari got the most "last week". For the 3 factions to hit 330.000 on the same day and within 11 points of each other, that's very unlikely...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.02 12:22:00 -
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Nothing really exciting to tell today, except that Caldari lost a lot of numbers. Pilots and kills both went down, while the other 3 factions all gained in both. Minmatar are now in the lead with Victory points...
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.02 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Demtalin le'Mercennaire
stuff...
Not really, because I am doing the VP/Pilot ratio from the rounded numbers.
Ah I see. I'm not in FW so I can't see the stats in game myself (it's why posts like this are so useful to me), the side effect of this is that I don't know which stats are given out to you in the game, I just assumed that VP per pilot was one of the in game readouts, I hadn't realised that it was a calculation done by you.
And yea, I was a bit suspicious as to why they were all so close, but figured it must have been a coincidence or something :P
Thanks for clearing this up for me.
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Spike Hammer
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.02 18:57:00 -
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Its safe to say that as of now no one is winning or losing.
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Plasticine Perfection
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Posted - 2008.07.02 19:27:00 -
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Great work CrayC, much appreciated.
Quick question though: Are you keeping a record of each days figures? Would be great to see a website with graphs to show the changing fortunes of the different sides :p
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Diarrhea Aguilera
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Posted - 2008.07.02 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 02/07/2008 21:59:04
I'd really wish CCP would not just provide us with kill numbers, but also with losses - as the Amarr aren't really putting up much resistance, some of us moved to Black Rise for some easy kills, as waiting for nothing to happen on the front is just boring.
Plus the VP per pilot is a tad pointless - the only ratio actually favouring the Amarr - look at kills per pilot for instance - they're second worst after the Caldari...
Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything...
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Ulstan
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.02 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera
Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything...
The plexes and system control are the only thing that count. Anything else is just meaningless e-peen waving.
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Diarrhea Aguilera
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Posted - 2008.07.02 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Diarrhea Aguilera on 02/07/2008 22:41:46
Originally by: Ulstan
Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera
Just because they're scared to fight and hide in small plexes all the time doesn't mean they're good at aanything...
The plexes and system control are the only thing that count. Anything else is just meaningless e-peen waving.
No - actually it's exactly the other way around - we gank their ships, we have total superiority over the contested space and as a consequence we get the loot and - as a consequence of that - gain isk, which isn't any more or less meaningless than eve itself.
An Amarr plex-dweller moves his ship through our space, providing us with a chance to gain isk whilst he's on route to the plex by ganking him and once he's arived there, he'll take the plex and gain exactly nothing.
After a while he'll give us another chance to gank him on the way to the next plex whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it  .
Our Militia got isk and VP, the slaver got just VP - and frankly I couldn't care less about VP as they're about worth the price of any .0001 isk item in eve.
So what's more pointless - getting isk or VP? Who's more eager to wave e-peen? The guys having the pleasure to make money whilst ganking slavers or the slavers losing it for a 'bigger' 16*16 pixel icon?
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Spineker
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.02 22:52:00 -
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Well with Caldari doing 100 man suicide runs into highsec who would have thought those numbers would be like that...
Isk wise I bet cladari is ahead in ship kills with those 7100 kills.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: CrayC on 03/07/2008 14:24:52
Todays update reveal some astonishing news...
First, the number of Militia pilots have actually gone DOWN, although only by 13.
Second, that brings us to a round number, 20.500 pilots. Kinda nice with a round number, but still a bit sad to go down.
Third, blame Caldari! Too many have seen that Caldari is no longer the I-WIN-button race and have decided to leave, 45 pilots to be exact.
Fourth, Minmatar managed to get a nice round number too, 300 kills. Yay you
In response to the questions above, the stats available to all militia pilots ingame are Number of pilots, Kills per day/week/total, Victory points per day/week/total and Systems controlled, all for each of the four races. I then do my own calculations for VP per pilot, that is not listed anywhere. This is why I would love to have exact numbers from CCP.
I have taken out the weekly kills and daily/weekly VP, as I do not find them interesting at all. VPs can be "chained" using the method described by Diarrhea Aguilera on a daily basis, so only the totals are interesting. Had I kept a record from the beginning, I would have the exact numbers and could continue as I do now with the Gallente kills, even though they are now being listed as 10.78k, when the real number is 10.788.
As for keeping the stats from previous days, yes, I do have them. However, since I only started doing this after Armoured C stopped, I only have the stats from the downtime on the 29th of june, which is last sundays downtime. I have sent AC an evemail asking him for his stats, but I know he did not do updates every day, so it will always be inconclusive, unless SOMEONE (poke poke, CCP ) sends me the actual stats...
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Ulstan
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:34:00 -
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I couldn't care less about VP
Yes, we know. That doesn't change the fact that they're the only measure of how well a militia is doing. Territories flip on VP. They do not flip on kills.
Obviously more members of your militia realize the importance of capturing objectives, which is why minmatar has taken, what, 7 amarr systems now?
But go on talking about how much isk you're making from all the t1 cruiser and frig wrecks you're finding :p
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Lucai
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lucai on 03/07/2008 14:54:19
The question of objectives is intriguing in my opinion.
Is occupancy just a thing to get people involved in PVP over, or is PVP just an obstacle to overcome to gain occupancy, standing and rank.
I guess you can never really agree on "victory or success conditions".
I mean, what is the advantage of occupancy excect for "epeen waving"? In highsec youd probably gain navy support, but in lowsec?
Question might sound dumb, but i have no idea, so please bear with me ;)
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FlameGlow
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.03 14:57:00 -
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Edited by: FlameGlow on 03/07/2008 14:57:07
Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera
whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it [
You have no clue about plexes, do you?
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.07.03 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Diarrhea Aguilera
After a while he'll give us another chance to gank him on the way to the next plex whilst some of our noobs move in to the plex he just took, salvaging the npc wrecks he left and retaking it .
What game is that? It isn't EVE Faction Warfare.
See? Plexes are so pointless this Militia member hasn't a clue how they work, because there's no need to learn.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.03 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45
( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 )
( Total kills 7380 )
< Total VP 0.36 million >
[ 55 systems controlled ]
Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30
( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 )
( Total kills 10.788 )
< Total VP 0.35 million >
[ 46 systems controlled ]
Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect.
They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well:
There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started.
That's a rate of 153.558 %
There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente.
That's only 142,341 %
So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell.
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.04 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: CrayC
Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45
( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 )
( Total kills 7380 )
< Total VP 0.36 million >
[ 55 systems controlled ]
Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30
( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 )
( Total kills 10.788 )
< Total VP 0.35 million >
[ 46 systems controlled ]
Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect.
They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well:
There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started.
That's a rate of 153.558 %
There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente.
That's only 142,341 %
So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell.
You really need to understand that your precious spreadsheets cannot give you the answer to everything.
Every ship that your squid friends lose is a cause of great anguish to them, it makes such a mess of their profit and loss accounts. But most of the Gallente pilots don't give a shit, jumping in when they know that a ship is the most probable outcome.
The morale of the Gallente troops is high. What does your spreadsheets tell you about the moral of the Caldary troops?
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
You really need to understand that your precious spreadsheets cannot give you the answer to everything.
Every ship that your squid friends lose is a cause of great anguish to them, it makes such a mess of their profit and loss accounts. But most of the Gallente pilots don't give a shit, jumping in when they know that a ship is the most probable outcome.
The morale of the Gallente troops is high. What does your spreadsheets tell you about the moral of the Caldary troops?
What does it tell about the morale ? It's simple, it shows that we are winning the war. It shows, that when a gallente undocks, he has a higher chance to be killed than caldari pilot. And kills of caldaris often mean kills of ibises kestrels or cheap fitted caracals, whereas killed gallentes often fly expensive ships, such as rigged t2 ships worth hundred millions of isk.
Our killboard proves it: 62 bil. inflicted damage and only 23 bil received damage (and yes, we do post our lossmails, atleast the vast majority does).
So as we receive less damage than we inflict on gallentes, our morale is quite ok i'd say, winning on every respect is boosting the morale, proving our superiority. It's good to be on the winner side 
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MrChook
Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.07.04 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Our killboard proves it: 62 bil. inflicted damage and only 23 bil received damage (and yes, we do post our lossmails, atleast the vast majority does).
So as we receive less damage than we inflict on gallentes, our morale is quite ok i'd say, winning on every respect is boosting the morale, proving our superiority. It's good to be on the winner side
What complete rubbish. FW Stats API linky
Quote:
factionName="Gallente Federation" killsTotal="10788"
factionName="Caldari State" killsTotal="7380"
Your killboard is showing 3500 kills and 2000 losses. Even given that some of the kills/losses will be for the other 2 factions there is a huge disjoint between your "official" killboard and the figures given by CCP. Using your killboard as any sort of measure is just a waste of time.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.07.04 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 04/07/2008 03:13:29
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Our killboard proves it:
Not to be rude, but that's a hilariously naive combination of words.
edit: And I'd say the same to any other militia.
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.04 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: CrayC
Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45
( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 )
( Total kills 7380 )
< Total VP 0.36 million >
[ 55 systems controlled ]
Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30
( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 )
( Total kills 10.788 )
< Total VP 0.35 million >
[ 46 systems controlled ]
Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect.
They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well:
There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started.
That's a rate of 153.558 %
There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente.
That's only 142,341 %
So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell.
gallente pwned again
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Mirthe
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Posted - 2008.07.04 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started.
That's a rate of 153.558 %
There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente.
That's only 142,341 %
gallente pwned again
In other words:
There are 4806 Gallentes, who managed to kill 10788 Caldaris.
That's more than 2 Caldari kills per gallente.
There are 7579 Caldaris, who managed to kill only 7380 Gallentes.
That's less tnan 1 Gallente kill per caldari.
So... what were you trying to prove again?
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Za'afiel
Gallente
C.E.T.C.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 09:38:54
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: CrayC
Caldari = 7579 pilots, down by 45
( 252 kills yesterday, up by 80 )
( Total kills 7380 )
< Total VP 0.36 million >
[ 55 systems controlled ]
Gallente = 4806 pilots, down by 30
( 267 kills yesterday, down by 42 )
( Total kills 10.788 )
< Total VP 0.35 million >
[ 46 systems controlled ]
Basically this proves that Caldari are winning the war in every respect.
They not only have more systems and more VP, but they are winning the pvp aspect as well:
There are 4806 Gallentes, 7380 of them have been killed by caldaris since the war started.
That's a rate of 153.558 %
There are 7579 Caldaris, 10788 killed by gallente.
That's only 142,341 %
So Caldari killed more % of available gallentes than vice versa, ergo Caldaris are winning pvp-wise aswell.
Ahahahaha, yes... a fail post.
The only thing that your numbers prove is the old rule of nature saying that when an individual is a part of a bigger group there is a smaller chance that he will be killed by a predator.
But, as a matter of fact, having in mind that maybe it will be your neighbor poped not you must really improve your morale.
oh, and one more thing, I do appreciate that Caldari Militia oppose, cause without it there would be no fun, and FUN is the thing I seek in the game ;)
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 12:27:00 -
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Todays update is a big CONGRATULATIONS to Amarr. They have now officially passed an average of 100 VP per pilot, having over 320.000 Victory Points and only 3.134 pilots. You have proven to be the most efficient Militia when it comes to working with what you got.
Yet again Caldari are losing people, but overall the number of pilots involved in Factional Warfare have gone up again, so I expect some of them have simply moved to another faction. They can afford it too, as Caldari still have 50% more members than the Minmatar Militia, with 7.546 versus 5.028 pilots.
Now, if only we could actually get some systems taken... I honestly don't care what side takes which systems, but we really need to see some changes soon. Focus people, focus
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: MrChook
Your killboard is showing 3500 kills and 2000 losses. Even given that some of the kills/losses will be for the other 2 factions there is a huge disjoint between your "official" killboard and the figures given by CCP. Using your killboard as any sort of measure is just a waste of time.
There is no big disjoint. CCP figures contain noobship kills, our killboard doesn't, that's all.
Gallentes love to kill masses of caldari ibis pilots (maybe piloted by their alt-spys ?), unfortunately a kill of an ibis is counted same as the kill of a carrier in CCP statistics, that's why i don't give a shit on those numbers, compared to our killboard, which shows shiptypes, fittings and therefore gives a more realistic view on what is going on.
For a determination of the real damage, your API linky is rubbish, since it doesn't say anything about shiptypes.
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Za'afiel
Gallente
C.E.T.C.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 14:59:23
Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 14:57:53
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: MrChook
Your killboard is showing 3500 kills and 2000 losses. Even given that some of the kills/losses will be for the other 2 factions there is a huge disjoint between your "official" killboard and the figures given by CCP. Using your killboard as any sort of measure is just a waste of time.
There is no big disjoint...
Yea right, Gallente kills last week according to CCP - 2552 and 311 ships lost according to your killboard, no big disjoint. Or you want me to believe that 2241 kills were actually noob ships.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 04/07/2008 15:34:22
Quote:
Yea right, Gallente kills last week according to CCP - 2552 and 311 ships lost according to your killboard, no big disjoint. Or you want me to believe that 2241 kills were actually noob ships.
"Last week" for killboard is diffrent then "last week" for CCP statistics, they start from diffrent days (EA wasn't launched on same day of the week as the KB).
There are few missed killmails here and there, but mostly the diffrence are ibises.
Check the killboard, the more expensive a ship is, the more kills do caldaris have compared to gallentes.
For instance we killed almost the same number of frigates, but double as much battelships, 4 times more t2 ships like recons or heavy assault ships. That are the important facts, and not that gallente militia managed to kill 800 ibis-alts on day two of FW.
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Cassius Rex
Legio Cybernetica
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Posted - 2008.07.04 16:44:00 -
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Apparently , One of the many reasons the Caldari aren't doing so well in FW is because they don't know they aren't doing very well LOL. Denial BTW.
With that many pilots we (Gallente) should be getting Steamrolled, but the only way Caldaris can claim to be winning (or even holding the line) is to spin the stats? Come on.
3000 pilot advantage over Gallente, yet only a slim lead in victory points and fewer overall kills. Hell, smaller factions than Gallente and doing better in at least 1-2 stat categories. It's sometimes so hard to find any Caldari to fight that some of my FW buddies and I have taken to roaming nullsec just for some pewpew (LOL, it took the Caldari to make the whole purpose of FW reality, they got me to go into 0.0 :) ). Any when we do find them it usually over very quickly.
If I we Caldari I'd be embarrassed to show my face. What I wouldn't be doing is pretending I'm winning when it's obvious that I wasn't.
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Za'afiel
Gallente
C.E.T.C.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 19:26:04
Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 19:12:59
Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 19:03:41
Originally by: Cassius Rex
What I wouldn't be doing is pretending I'm winning when it's obvious that I wasn't.
This
And btw, a week is a week, it has 7 days in it, take the lowest number of gallente militia kills let's say...hmm don't remember but hell let's make it 190 kills a day times 7 gives us 1330 kills minimum... minus 311 on your KB (I think I can say your but neither I could find Yakia TovilToba nor Halliburton Inc. on it) gives us an army of noob ships ROTFL.
See you in space...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:50:00 -
[39]
Edited by: CrayC on 04/07/2008 19:56:42
Originally by: Za'afiel
And btw, a week is a week, it has 7 days in it, take the lowest number of gallente militia kills let's say...hmm don't remember but hell let's make it 190 kills a day times 7 gives us 1330 kills minimum
Since I began recording stats, the lowest Caldari kill was 172. Lowest Gallente 212. On the other hand, highest kills per day was 296 for Caldari versus the lovely 417 for Gallente. So, using those stats, in a week, Caldari would have killed between 1.204 and 2.072, while the Gallente would have killed between 1.484 and 2.919. NOW compare date on that killboard...
Edit: Going ingame I see that the stats tell us 1.890 for Caldari and 2.552 for Gallente. Even if we remove the numbers from sunday and only count from monday up to now, there have still been killed a lot more than 324 ships. Hell, according to official ingame killstats, Caldari killed more than 324 just in the past two days. So yes, that killboard is really a much better measurement than the official stats. Way more accurate. Mhmm....
Edit 2: Oh yes, previous week lists 1.022 ships killed. *giggles*
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Zapp Brenigan
Caldari
Terran Resurrection
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:18:00 -
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Edited by: Zapp Brenigan on 04/07/2008 20:19:21
Join EVE-Online!
You too can join this high-tech, futuristic world where you will become an Accountant or even a STATISTICIAN!!! Yes the fun never stops as spreadsheets flash across your screen. How many ways you can prove your point with false logic and meaningless stats? Well, join up and you'll soon find out in this fast paced world where MS Excel, Apple Numbers and OpenOffice are weapons!!!
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: CrayC
... So yes, that killboard is really a much better measurement than the official stats. Way more accurate. Mhmm....
You fail to understand, that killing one command ship or a carrier, which is shown as 1 kill on your statistics, means more damage than killing 2000 ibis or 100 t1 fitted frigates.
Therefore your statistics are complete rubbish, when it comes to find out who caused/received more damage.
The killboard mentioned above is the only one we have (gallentes have one too, but they don't post lossmails at all), that comes close to showing what is going on on the battlefield, even if it does not conatain all kills, it shows the relation of what ships gallentes destroyed (mostly t1 frigs) and what they lost (4 times more t2 ships, twice as much battelships).
But if you think your statistic is of any value: when i have more time next week, i'll create an alt on a 2nd account, buy in into gal. militia (tags + cosmos items + few missions), and will kill it 100 times for the lolz. Shouldn't be a problem: noobship dies, docks, alt gets into a new noobships, undocks, dies again etc. At least thats what gallentes did on day 2 that showed 800kills, as they probably thought kills will give them a medal or something .
This shows that counting kills without shiptypes and equipment is of no value. Gallentes only try to hide their defeat behind meaningless faked statistics, on tq they die like flies when they meet someone else than their alts in noobships
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Borg9
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:45:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Lubomir Penev
LOL at Amarr killing more than Caldari with one third of the numbers... The Caldari militia needs Amarr military counselors, will make thing more more interesting...
yea lol at Caldari owning the most systems...oh wait that means Caldari is winning so suck it biaatch
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:46:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Gallentes only try to hide their defeat behind meaningless faked statistics, on tq they die like flies when they meet someone else than their alts in noobships
What faked statistics are you talking about?
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:47:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Zapp Brenigan
Well, join up and you'll soon find out in this fast paced world where MS Excel, Apple Numbers and OpenOffice are weapons!!!
Actually, I use Notepad
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Za'afiel
Gallente
C.E.T.C.
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Za''afiel on 04/07/2008 20:57:46
ok, if you want it so much, here you are, facts from the killboards:
Week 25
Caldari:
1354 Ships killed (24563.62M ISK)
Carrier 2
Command ship10
Battleship107
Recon ship34
Gallente:
3293 Ships killed (43136.09M ISK)
Carrier1
Command ship26
Battleship179
Recon ship59
Week 26
Caldari:
1022 Ships killed (16860.14M ISK)
Carrier 1
Command ship6
Battleship68
Recon ship30
Gallente:
3188 Ships killed (48788.86M ISK)
Carrier9
Command ship14
Battleship181
Recon ship63
hmmm...
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Posted - 2008.07.04 21:00:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: CrayC
... So yes, that killboard is really a much better measurement than the official stats. Way more accurate. Mhmm....
You fail to understand, that killing one command ship or a carrier, which is shown as 1 kill on your statistics, means more damage than killing 2000 ibis or 100 t1 fitted frigates.
Therefore your statistics are complete rubbish, when it comes to find out who caused/received more damage.
The killboard mentioned above is the only one we have (gallentes have one too, but they don't post lossmails at all), that comes close to showing what is going on on the battlefield, even if it does not conatain all kills, it shows the relation of what ships gallentes destroyed (mostly t1 frigs) and what they lost (4 times more t2 ships, twice as much battelships).
But if you think your statistic is of any value: when i have more time next week, i'll create an alt on a 2nd account, buy in into gal. militia (tags + cosmos items + few missions), and will kill it 100 times for the lolz. Shouldn't be a problem: noobship dies, docks, alt gets into a new noobships, undocks, dies again etc. At least thats what gallentes did on day 2 that showed 800kills, as they probably thought kills will give them a medal or something .
This shows that counting kills without shiptypes and equipment is of no value. Gallentes only try to hide their defeat behind meaningless faked statistics, on tq they die like flies when they meet someone else than their alts in noobships
Dude - if you stop digging, you'll eventually find that your hole stops getting deeper 
But speaking of 'expensive kills', who was it that lost 6 carriers the other day? Oh yes, it was the Squids....
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.04 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Banana Torres on 04/07/2008 22:43:10
Where were all the Caldary forum warriers tonight? Not in Black Rise thats for ****ing sure!
I was in a fleet that dawdled around Caldary space looking for a fight and did we get one. Nope, nada, zilch.
Had a wee fight with pirates on the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. Even then the Caldary militia did not have the gonads to jump in and deal us some damage while we were otherwise engaged.
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
I guess we will have to start camping Jita to get a fight.
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Sanzorz
Amarr
EVEfan.dk
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Posted - 2008.07.05 00:06:00 -
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I really don't get the shouting about which side is hiding or not. If people complain about it, then they can just join the other side for some action?
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Cassius Rex
Legio Cybernetica
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Posted - 2008.07.05 04:22:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Edited by: Banana Torres on 04/07/2008 22:43:10
Where were all the Caldary forum warriers tonight? Not in Black Rise thats for ****ing sure!
I was in a fleet that dawdled around Caldary space looking for a fight and did we get one. Nope, nada, zilch.
Had a wee fight with pirates on the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. Even then the Caldary militia did not have the gonads to jump in and deal us some damage while we were otherwise engaged.
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
I guess we will have to start camping Jita to get a fight.
i'm only half joking when I say I wish CCP would lets us go to War against the Minmatar lol. We know they will fight.
4 hours I cruised around Black Rise in 2 different gangs, only dribs and drabs of action here or there. Like i said it's so bad yesterday we ended up going to nullsec just to pick a fight. I've shot at more pirates in lowsec this week than at Caldari.
And now that our pond is swimming with Matari I thinkit'll only get worse :( . Not what you'd expect from an opponent that outnumbers you almost 2 to 1.....
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 11:58:00 -
[50]
Updated with no further comments...
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PraetorNZ
Federation Zone Operations Command
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Posted - 2008.07.05 14:08:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Edited by: Banana Torres on 04/07/2008 22:43:10
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
I guess we will have to start camping Jita to get a fight.
last time they tried that they didnt even go home in pods :p think i picked up 8 podmails in that one fight
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.05 14:54:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Banana Torres
Had a wee fight with pirates on the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. Even then the Caldary militia did not have the gonads to jump in and deal us some damage while we were otherwise engaged.
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
Lol the usual forum warfare statements. But you know what caldari militia does, when they are in OMS at villore gate ?
They JUMP into villore and p0wn the gallente campers there.
HERE you can find reports on such an actions, caldaris killed muliple expensive ships in that campaign, commandships, battelships and faction ships. In the thread you find killmails, fraps and confessions of the victims. THAT is real action in game, and not only forum babbling like gallentes do it all day.
So because you said "trust me", you are now not trustworthy anymore, as the report above clearly proves, that what is happening on TQ is something completely diffrent from what you tell us on forums.
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Banana Torres
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.05 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Banana Torres on 05/07/2008 23:25:17
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
But you know what caldari militia does, when they are in OMS at villore gate ?
They JUMP into villore and p0wn the gallente campers there.
HERE you can find reports on such an actions
I see that report is dated the 19th June, my trusty calender tells me that it is now the 5th July. Your brave Caldary pilots don't do this any more. We did have a few fire fights on the Villore gate but I think that my ickle Huginn scared them off.
Edit: I was being all Caldary and counting my ISK when I noticed that militia chat was getting excited about a fight on the Villore gate in OMS. So zoomed there to help pick off the last few Caldary boaties. As Mr. TovilToba would most likely say, proof or shut up you untrustworthy Gallente biatch, So I give to you a screenshot that I took at the end of the battle.
Screenshot of the aftermath of the battle
I hope you notice that the only red crosses belong to poor orphaned drones and the gate is most firmly in the hands of the Federation Militia.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 13:06:00 -
[54]
Updated
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Siberys
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Posted - 2008.07.06 13:08:00 -
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Somehow I feel I will see a lot of action when I join the Ammar militia... Better get the nos's ready...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 15:02:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Siberys
Somehow I feel I will see a lot of action when I join the Ammar militia...
Somehow I seriously doubt that...
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Demtalin le'Mercennaire
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.07.07 03:05:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
You fail to understand, that killing one command ship or a carrier, which is shown as 1 kill on your statistics, means more damage than killing 2000 ibis or 100 t1 fitted frigates.
Why the hell would you all be trying to fight in Ibis', that's just embarrassing.
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
The killboard mentioned above is the only one we have (gallentes have one too, but they don't post lossmails at all)
Maybe the missing kills on the Gallente KB are the 2000 velators (noob ship), which they have lost.
But good job to all the FW participants, I'm interested to see who wins even though I'm not taking part.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 12:49:00 -
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Todays update show a massive drop from the Caldari Militia, a total of 142 less pilots than at last downtime. Considering that this happened on a sunday, one of the most active days of the week, I am bit surprised that it is so many. Not that I mind, though, being in the Gallente Militia and all, but still, they've gone down 290 pilots since last weekend and this can only mean one thing: We are winning the C/G side of FW But hey, at least this means the VP/Pilot ratio is going up and that's all that matters, right?
In other news, Minmatar, as the only Militia, actually managed to kill MORE after Sunday's downtime than they did in the Saturday-Sunday period. The rest killed less, with Caldari killing a LOT less and the Amarr only going slightly down there.
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A Spy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 17:09:00 -
[59]
Originally by: CrayC
Todays update show a massive drop from the Caldari Militia, a total of 142 less pilots than at last downtime. Considering that this happened on a sunday, one of the most active days of the week, I am bit surprised that it is so many. Not that I mind, though, being in the Gallente Militia and all, but still, they've gone down 290 pilots since last weekend and this can only mean one thing: We are winning the C/G side of FW But hey, at least this means the VP/Pilot ratio is going up and that's all that matters, right?
In other news, Minmatar, as the only Militia, actually managed to kill MORE after Sunday's downtime than they did in the Saturday-Sunday period. The rest killed less, with Caldari killing a LOT less and the Amarr only going slightly down there.
You seem to be a very biased reporter. I don't believe the numbers you post !
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:13:00 -
[60]
Originally by: A Spy
You seem to be a very biased reporter. I don't believe the numbers you post !
Indeed I am, being in the Federal Defence Unit, I of course look at ways of making fun of the Calamari Malatio
As for the numbers, easy as anything to check. Get one of your buddies in FW to do it or join with your main and see for yourself I don't have to make up numbers, the State gives me all the tools I need to make fun of them, all on their own
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Spineker
Caldari
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:29:00 -
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Fact is Caldari killed more this weekend and pulled ahead last week.
They don't like to report those numbers.
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Frenchie Spy
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Posted - 2008.07.07 23:32:00 -
[62]
Originally by: A Spy
You seem to be a very biased reporter. I don't believe the numbers you post !
If you allez a http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/test_eve_api.php, you can vTrifier les numbers pour vous-mOme.
See, ze Gallente have les spys premiere.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.08 12:09:00 -
[63]
Another day, another update. Weekend over, so nothing fancy to tell, really...
Originally by: Spineker
Fact is Caldari killed more this weekend and pulled ahead last week.
They don't like to report those numbers.
Yes, they killed more and gained on the Gallente and Minmatar Total Kills. But what do you mean they don't like to report those numbers?
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 08:46:00 -
[64]
Very late update, due to me being sick. Got headaches, stomach that wants to win a marathon and no energy at all in the body. Yay me
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Armoured C
Gallente
The Aztecs
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.10 11:28:00 -
[65]
doing a good job, i support this poast
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:38:00 -
[66]
Edited by: CrayC on 10/07/2008 13:39:01
Another day, another isk and another big drop in Caldari pilots. Can't say I don't like that or that I blame them for leaving. They are, despite their own reports saying otherwise, getting their asses kicked daily. Indeed, so are we, the Gallente, but not so much as them 
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2008.07.10 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Black Scorpio on 10/07/2008 13:57:30
Originally by: Cassius Rex
Originally by: Banana Torres
Edited by: Banana Torres on 04/07/2008 22:43:10
Where were all the Caldary forum warriers tonight? Not in Black Rise thats for ****ing sure!
I was in a fleet that dawdled around Caldary space looking for a fight and did we get one. Nope, nada, zilch.
Had a wee fight with pirates on the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. Even then the Caldary militia did not have the gonads to jump in and deal us some damage while we were otherwise engaged.
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
I guess we will have to start camping Jita to get a fight.
i'm only half joking when I say I wish CCP would lets us go to War against the Minmatar lol. We know they will fight.
4 hours I cruised around Black Rise in 2 different gangs, only dribs and drabs of action here or there. Like i said it's so bad yesterday we ended up going to nullsec just to pick a fight. I've shot at more pirates in lowsec this week than at Caldari.
And now that our pond is swimming with Matari I thinkit'll only get worse :( . Not what you'd expect from an opponent that outnumbers you almost 2 to 1.....
Well if only all of the experienced pilots did not join Gallente/Minmatar for a change, it could be much more interesting in the FW regions.
So far Amarr militia is full of backstabbing morons and prefer to spam militia chat with BS and egotistical blabber, Caldari apparently got every guy out there that wants to try PvP but don't want to risk a bigger ship or if they do risk it, they do in a stupid way and die before they leave Caldari high sec, and then you get Minmatar and Gallente militias brimming with well organized PvP vet gangs, looking for fights..
well do the math, actually you don't have to.. it plain shows so far.. sad..
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.11 15:36:00 -
[68]
Despite the wonderful job of IC making a decent site with graphs and stats, I find it inaccurate, compared to the stats available ingame. So until they match up, which hopefully will happen by downtime saturday, I will continue to post the correct numbers from the ingame Militia window. As this is what we have been using since the beginning of FW to keep track of things, and it was designed to do just that, I believe it to be the most correct source...
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 09:47:00 -
[69]
updated
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.07.13 10:39:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Black Scorpio
Edited by: Black Scorpio on 10/07/2008 13:57:30
Originally by: Cassius Rex
Originally by: Banana Torres
Edited by: Banana Torres on 04/07/2008 22:43:10
Where were all the Caldary forum warriers tonight? Not in Black Rise thats for ****ing sure!
I was in a fleet that dawdled around Caldary space looking for a fight and did we get one. Nope, nada, zilch.
Had a wee fight with pirates on the Nourvukaiken gate in Tama. Even then the Caldary militia did not have the gonads to jump in and deal us some damage while we were otherwise engaged.
Trust me, if the Caldary militia tried a similar trick on the Villore gate in OMS there would be a lot of pods making the journey back to their home base.
I guess we will have to start camping Jita to get a fight.
i'm only half joking when I say I wish CCP would lets us go to War against the Minmatar lol. We know they will fight.
4 hours I cruised around Black Rise in 2 different gangs, only dribs and drabs of action here or there. Like i said it's so bad yesterday we ended up going to nullsec just to pick a fight. I've shot at more pirates in lowsec this week than at Caldari.
And now that our pond is swimming with Matari I thinkit'll only get worse :( . Not what you'd expect from an opponent that outnumbers you almost 2 to 1.....
Well if only all of the experienced pilots did not join Gallente/Minmatar for a change, it could be much more interesting in the FW regions.
So far Amarr militia is full of backstabbing morons and prefer to spam militia chat with BS and egotistical blabber, Caldari apparently got every guy out there that wants to try PvP but don't want to risk a bigger ship or if they do risk it, they do in a stupid way and die before they leave Caldari high sec, and then you get Minmatar and Gallente militias brimming with well organized PvP vet gangs, looking for fights..
well do the math, actually you don't have to.. it plain shows so far.. sad..
Another issue is that the CM hardly ever helps anyone in trouble. I lost another BS today simply because of bad intel and the people in the system next door refusing to help against 5 ships.
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.13 18:43:00 -
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Updated and bugreported the difference between ingame stats and API key info...
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