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Xercies Ravere	Posted - 2008.06.30 08:46:00 - [1] Ok last night was the final straw on the ever increasing noobness that is Caldari militia. We had a long discussion on whether we should go to other places other then Tama and we cam up with plenty. Though no one actually listened and camped the gate in nourv anyway wating for a fleet that never happened. So i decided to try these back doors and the back alleys and set myself a goal to go to old man star and back to nourv the back entrance. So i set off from my location(not going to say because of gallente people, though I don't know what good it would do everyone goes into tama anyway) and went straight to Old Man Star, and to my surprise it was pretty diserted, and only a few gate camps whic ha fleet could destroy with ease. I got to Old man Star and then I went straight to nourv, and again pretty deserted until I got to Tama where i was gate camped and died and went straight to my clone. So there you have it, it might of been a Sunday but i do think that most areas are just deserted because the gallente only camp Tama because the Caldari militia are stupid enough to go through it every single time. Come on we could win this war, we have soem decent fleets and FCs. but why are the caldari militia so stupid to attack the most defended point now. It kind of reminds me of Blackadder goes fourth really.
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.06.30 08:53:00 - [2] brick of text kind of hard to occular lobes to process.
FarScape III Journey On Squad	Posted - 2008.06.30 08:56:00 - [3] IMO Tama is kind of like our side to on the garage on the way to Caldari Controlled territory. But if no one defends it then they will steel our stuff.
Steve Celeste	Posted - 2008.06.30 09:50:00 - [4] Poasting in a fail thread
Neth'Rae Gallente Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.30 09:52:00 - [5] Tama is the new Tarren Mill..
Kaleb Lowe	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:01:00 - [6] Edited by: Kaleb Lowe on 30/06/2008 10:01:31 Because herds of buffalo always cross the river at its most shallow point. After some time predators spot this point of frequent crossing and assemble on the other bank of the river in anticipation to rip victim's throat open. I guess buffalo eventually learns and seeks for an alternative passage.
Artemis Rose Eleckrostatik	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:09:00 - [7] Close to Jita. Its always been busy as far as low sec goes.
Shgoratchx Minmatar Shgoratchx Transorbital	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Kaleb Lowe Because herds of buffalo always cross the river at its most shallow point. After some time predators spot this point of frequent crossing and assemble on the other bank of the river in anticipation to rip victim's throat open. I guess buffalo eventually learns and seeks for an alternative passage. qft. Unfortunately Caldari aren't too bright and it takes them a while to realise how futile the whole Tama/Nourv scenario is. But they'll still congregate there because "its PvP on their doorstep". They can buy a ship in Nourv, fit it in Nourv, undock it in Nourv, fly it through the Tama gate and get it blown up - all in a few minutes for the sake of "PvP" Yesterday someone FC'd a Caldari blob through the Nouv gate into YET ANOTHER lag bomb on the Tama side. 85 Caldari ships destroyed to 1 Gallente And the best part was, 30 minutes later the very same FC was was x'ing up for another attempt through the very same gate Caldari are lambs to the slaughter. Go there on any given day and watch how many fleets go through that gate, and come back moments later in pods. There's very little organisation in Caldari militia and too many lemmings willing to blindly follow clueless FC's over the top and into a hail of Gallente bullets.
Yoshitaka Moromuo Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Yo**aka Moromuo on 30/06/2008 10:39:11 tl;dr Some of us actually care about the tactical situation (or lack thereof), and are trying to address it in an attempt to provide a better experience for all. Unfortunately, the list of FCs that is "approved" by the authority-holding "Secretariate" consists mostly of those who lead people into the lagbombs of Tama. It's a war, people, not "300" - SNAP TO AND TEN-HUT ALREADY! Statements in the above post, unless otherwise specified, are not the official stance of Lai Dai Infinity Systems.
Xercies Ravere	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:38:00 - [10] Quote: Caldari are lambs to the slaughter. Go there on any given day and watch how many fleets go through that gate, and come back moments later in pods. There's very little organisation in Caldari militia and too many lemmings willing to blindly follow clueless FC's over the top and into a hail of Gallente bullets. This is so true, though I guess it is easy PVP for many people it just doesn't further the goel of FW which is actually trying to capture systems and not kill random PVP fleets. Its kind of embarrasing being in Caldari militia. How did it go so wrong.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.06.30 10:44:00 - [11] The 'buffalo', 'predator' theory might not work for a lot of the FW crowd - it certainly doesn't work for me. Being based in Nourv gives me plenty of opportunities to find a fight and that's all I care about. I suspect that's true of a lot of people. Maybe this is more true of Caldari because they tend to have a lot of PvE chars. I might be a buffalo but I'm a vicious and sadistic buffalo with a tough hide and knives on my hooves. I cross at the predictable point because I want to kick the predators in the nadgers and send them home walking funny. I couldn't give a toss about getting to the pastures because I have a rich merchanter who supplies me all my needs. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2008.06.30 16:45:00 - [12] FFS, don't tell everybody there are other ways to get at the Gallente. The people racking up kills in smaller gangs starting from sekrit locations don't want the noobswarm following them around. Let the nubs on both sides lock horns in Tama and OMS while the pros on both sides do small gang fighting. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. PLEASE MOVE ALONG.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.06.30 16:50:00 - [13] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 30/06/2008 16:51:05 Its because they are blobbing in Tama the rest of us can have fun in small groups or alone since most other systems are almost empty. So... good work, blobs! You make the game better for the rest of us. :)
Swift Wind 6rasshopper Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.30 17:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Rooker FFS, don't tell everybody there are other ways to get at the Gallente. The people racking up kills in smaller gangs starting from sekrit locations don't want the noobswarm following them around. Let the nubs on both sides lock horns in Tama and OMS while the pros on both sides do small gang fighting. NOTHING TO SEE HERE. PLEASE MOVE ALONG. Quoted for emphasis....
Threv Echandari Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2008.06.30 17:22:00 - [15] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/06/2008 17:24:18 Originally by: Yo**aka Moromuo Edited by: Yo**aka Moromuo on 30/06/2008 10:39:11 tl;dr Some of us actually care about the tactical situation (or lack thereof), and are trying to address it in an attempt to provide a better experience for all. Unfortunately, the list of FCs that is "approved" by the authority-holding "Secretariate" consists mostly of those who lead people into the lagbombs of Tama. It's a war, people, not "300" - SNAP TO AND TEN-HUT ALREADY! Tama=Stalingrad Err, the Secretariat holds no authority and has never claimed to, it's just an organizational and informational entity, something that is desperately needed. (Funny, most of the people I know involved with the goings on in the Secretariat mention Tama and shake their heads in disgust) Also of the FC's listed on the "Approved" list I have only seen a few that go into TAMA The rest seem to be elswhere. Maybe its just the times I have been logged on so I may be fully "in the know". Most of the time I just see Rookie FC's and Noobswarms being goaded into Tama by the spy alts. (with predicatable results.) Thats said the the FDU wants to Blob in Tama let them, There's lag free FW fun to be had elsewhere in lowsec forthose smart enough to look.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.30 17:37:00 - [16] Originally by: FarScape III IMO Tama is kind of like our side to on the garage on the way to Caldari Controlled territory. But if no one defends it then they will steal our stuff. fixed.
Sarin Adler Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.06.30 17:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Threv Echandari Edited by: Threv Echandari on 30/06/2008 17:24:18 Originally by: Yo**aka Moromuo Edited by: Yo**aka Moromuo on 30/06/2008 10:39:11 tl;dr Some of us actually care about the tactical situation (or lack thereof), and are trying to address it in an attempt to provide a better experience for all. Unfortunately, the list of FCs that is "approved" by the authority-holding "Secretariate" consists mostly of those who lead people into the lagbombs of Tama. It's a war, people, not "300" - SNAP TO AND TEN-HUT ALREADY! Tama=Stalingrad Err, the Secretariat holds no authority and has never claimed to, it's just an organizational and informational entity, something that is desperately needed. (Funny, most of the people I know involved with the goings on in the Secretariat mention Tama and shake their heads in disgust) Also of the FC's listed on the "Approved" list I have only seen a few that go into TAMA The rest seem to be elswhere. Maybe its just the times I have been logged on so I may be fully "in the know". Most of the time I just see Rookie FC's and Noobswarms being goaded into Tama by the spy alts. (with predicatable results.) Thats said the the FDU wants to Blob in Tama let them, There's lag free FW fun to be had elsewhere in lowsec forthose smart enough to look. Do you have to enter a FW corp to have some organised and non-noobtamablob action, or can you have it as state protectorate member? I ask cause I find hard to find other guys who are not interested in the 'tama fleet', got a good FC a couple of times though and went roaming, but not very deep into gallente territory though.
Xercies Ravere	Posted - 2008.06.30 18:14:00 - [18] Quote: Do you have to enter a FW corp to have some organised and non-noobtamablob action, or can you have it as state protectorate member? I ask cause I find hard to find other guys who are not interested in the 'tama fleet', got a good FC a couple of times though and went roaming, but not very deep into gallente territory though. Even some FW corps only go to tama it seems, but yeah if you don't want to go to tama it is usually better to get a FW corp because al lthe caldari militia people seem to only have tama in their sites and just continually go there. How did it go so wrong.
masternerdguy	Posted - 2008.06.30 18:20:00 - [19] we arent noobs, there are a lot of good fleet commanders and pilots. the problem is that we are so used 2 using the tama-old man star pipe that we dont try other options.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.06.30 18:33:00 - [20] Tama is so close to Jita that anybody who wants a quick and CERTAIN SKIRMISH goes there. It's like Jita : people go there because they KNOW they will find whatever it is they want to buy. Tama ? It's there people KNOW will find somebody to fight (and it's close enough to Jita to get new ships there). Now, people who are actually interested in victory points and such will go through Black Rise and fight over there. However, not many people are interested in that - they just want some mindless fun. _ Vote on issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Threv Echandari Caldari K Directorate	Posted - 2008.06.30 18:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Sarin Adler Do you have to enter a FW corp to have some organised and non-noobtamablob action, or can you have it as state protectorate member? I ask cause I find hard to find other guys who are not interested in the 'tama fleet', got a good FC a couple of times though and went roaming, but not very deep into gallente territory though. You can do it as a State Pro Member though joining a player corp is a better option. The trick is to watch the Channel, and see who comes back alive nad happy with the results. lol Now this part is strictly from my experience and others probably have different takes on this; look for the 'plexing fleets and or X up and announce that you are looking for a 'Plex gang. It seems to me that the guys 'plexing have more of clue as to how to play than the Tama Blobbers. Also 'Plexing fleets are more likely to run into PvP action that is more balanced and less blob-tacular. Take notes as to who the FC is and how he ran the gang, then look for those FC's you like when you login. Another way to do it is to go 'plexing by yourself. You will undoubtedly run into other militia members doing the same thing and if you chat them up you will in all likelihood get invited to the gang. a "07" in local can go along way. Do this often enough and earn their trust and you may get invited to the Private intel Channels where you will find out what else is going on beside the Blob in TAMA. Now some may scoff at 'plexing but it builds Victory points, LP, and helps the militia and gets you used to running in fleet/gang that has a purpose other than running like lemmings in to Tama. You meet some some genuinely nice people who are more likely to help you out since they see that you are a "Team Player". Good luck! Happiness is a Wet Pod
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance	Posted - 2008.06.30 23:22:00 - [22] If you fight with nothing to fight over, you can fight anywhere. If you can fight anywhere, all fighting will eventually converge at one hot spot. If there is a choke point on the way to the hot spot, it will be camped or it becomes the hot spot. These simple facts have been confirmed for years by basically all MMOs other than EVE. And now that EVE offers the same kind of simple PVP, the same problems come up. Surprise much?!
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.06.30 23:26:00 - [23] Edited by: Splagada on 30/06/2008 23:26:31 Tama is the closest 0.3 from Jita...4j away, you got "real" poses and its also just there from jita
Xunlao Blackthorne Nightmare Inc.	Posted - 2008.06.30 23:55:00 - [24] I guess we should all start learning how to better prepare ourselves for 300+ blob camps on the other side of the gate heh.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.06.30 23:57:00 - [25] Originally by: Akita T they just want some mindless fun. this is beyond mindless! ok then their definition of mindless fun seems to be Jump through gate sit through lag and the trafic advisory slowing them down befor they enter the system land at gate that is perma laged from all the wrecks corpses and shipless drones, depsite the best efforts of a 4 salvage destroyers to sweep the accumultating wrecks. before they can even touch a single control wake up in their new clone back wherever their new clone is. Seriously they need to rename Tama Dolcettvile or something
Jmanis Catharg Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.01 01:00:00 - [26] Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 01/07/2008 01:00:41 People just want to pew-pew with easy access to resupply. Tama is the closest low-sec FW zone to Jita, thus Tama gets a lot of action. Personally I don't want to go near it. My preference is to stroll around hostile Gallente low-sec tagging up with whoever I run into ally-wise for an hour or so, or capture plexes in quiet systems if I can't find allies. Supply-wise though, if my alt didn't run 500 mil of T1 vessels from frigs up to BS plus fittings into a nearby hostile hi-sec system, I'd be in lots of trouble. But seriously, Jita is the answer to Tama
torn sage	Posted - 2008.07.01 04:29:00 - [27] Originally by: Feilamya If you fight with nothing to fight over, you can fight anywhere. If you can fight anywhere, all fighting will eventually converge at one hot spot. If there is a choke point on the way to the hot spot, it will be camped or it becomes the hot spot. These simple facts have been confirmed for years by basically all MMOs other than EVE. And now that EVE offers the same kind of simple PVP, the same problems come up. Surprise much?! This.
Raymon James Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.07.01 05:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Jmanis Catharg Edited by: Jmanis Catharg on 01/07/2008 01:00:41 People just want to pew-pew with easy access to resupply. Tama is the closest low-sec FW zone to Jita, thus Tama gets a lot of action. But seriously, Jita is the answer to Tama no Jita is just the explination for Tama, and honestly I dont have a problem with getting blown up in game in PvP, it happens to me almost every night. but I still like to be part of the side that bloody won!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.01 05:49:00 - [29] You can always find Factional Warfare fights in a militia. But in Tama, factional warfare always FINDS YOU !
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.07.01 08:15:00 - [30] Originally by: Raymon James Originally by: Akita T they just want some mindless fun. this is beyond mindless! ok then their definition of mindless fun seems to be Jump through gate sit through lag and the trafic advisory slowing them down befor they enter the system I have never experienced that in Tama. The only time I've seen serious lag was while travelling through Andralle(sp?) much deeper in. That was a near empty system so was probably a node sharing issue more than anything else and therefore nothing to do with us. The biggest blobs I've ever seen or been involved in at Tama were 75v75 fleets and the node and my machine handled them just fine. Most of the 'blobs' have been 50v50 and they are great fun.

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