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Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.18 08:53:00 - [1] Hello EVEians, I was in my Bestower going from Scolluzer to Pator. On the way I was popped at a gate in the Ourapheh system (.9). I was lamed over by a Pirate by the name Bob Morton. He fired a Bane torp and then I suppose self-destructed. Being semi AFK I missed the whole thing till I hear explosions coming from my comp. looking back at the screen I see my ship sparking and flying out of control. I'm guessing this isn't the first time it's happened cause ppl have been acting like it doesn't matter. But man when it says the dude was in a Capsual and fired a Bane Torp, leaves me to believe somthing is VERY wrong. I will pay isk for the corpse of "Bob Morton" and his crap friend "ED 209" that was in the convo w/ him. It's a 0.9 system and this ** lost one launcher and whatever ship he was flying to nothing cause it's a cunning way to kill a weak ship and take the uber loot with his buddy buddy corpmate that sits and waits too. Secure space is just that secure, and anyone doing bad gets their ass handed to'em by concord. I pettitioned but was told that nothing could be done because the Navy did not respond, well ***** duh; he blew his ship up and everything sept the secured guy (ME) gets the secure part. I guess thats why criminal flagging will be put into affect (SOON(tm)) I'm never getting anything out of my 4x Local hulls that went w/ my ship. Secure space is secure space and any other kind of pirate aggresion that would have made me lose my ship would have been met by concord long before or while my ship was being destroyed. i've heard it was an exploit by several ppl. Those who don't think it is are pirates and CCP. I feel violated and being lamed like that makes me feel it was an exploit... PS: I had another post on the matter but they remove such things for whatever lame purpose I cannot grasp. I will PAY isk for the bodies of Bob Morton & ED 209.
eddie valvetino	Posted - 2004.05.18 08:59:00 - [2] Originally by: Telk Behm'shai Hello EVEians, I was in my Bestower going from Scolluzer to Pator. On the way I was popped at a gate in the Ourapheh system (.9). I was lamed over by a Pirate by the name Bob Morton. He fired a Bane torp and then I suppose self-destructed. Being semi AFK I missed the whole thing till I hear explosions coming from my comp. looking back at the screen I see my ship sparking and flying out of control. I'm guessing this isn't the first time it's happened cause ppl have been acting like it doesn't matter. But man when it says the dude was in a Capsual and fired a Bane Torp, leaves me to believe somthing is VERY wrong. I will pay isk for the corpse of "Bob Morton" and his crap friend "ED 209" that was in the convo w/ him. It's a 0.9 system and this ** lost one launcher and whatever ship he was flying to nothing cause it's a cunning way to kill a weak ship and take the uber loot with his buddy buddy corpmate that sits and waits too. Secure space is just that secure, and anyone doing bad gets their ass handed to'em by concord. I pettitioned but was told that nothing could be done because the Navy did not respond, well ***** duh; he blew his ship up and everything sept the secured guy (ME) gets the secure part. I guess thats why criminal flagging will be put into affect (SOON(tm)) I'm never getting anything out of my 4x Local hulls that went w/ my ship. Secure space is secure space and any other kind of pirate aggresion that would have made me lose my ship would have been met by concord long before or while my ship was being destroyed. i've heard it was an exploit by several ppl. Those who don't think it is are pirates and CCP. I feel violated and being lamed like that makes me feel it was an exploit... PS: I had another post on the matter but they remove such things for whatever lame purpose I cannot grasp. I will PAY isk for the bodies of Bob Morton & ED 209. How much? will you pay? (\_/) (O.o) (> <)
Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:01:00 - [3] Thats between me and the other guy who provides the body/bodies. I would like to add that pictures of their destruction will put more isk into the reward.
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:11:00 - [4] The title of your post is in error. It should read "Exploit, CCP decide" ... because that's who DOES in fact decide. What I think, and what you think, isn't worth jack squat. This particular lame tactic has expressly been called an exploit by CCP, but at the same time, they insist that it is not. Go figure ... but in any event, once the changes to missiles kick in, it'll cost you at least a cruiser, if not a battleship, to be able to do this. No more torpedoes in frigates, and this is exactly why. _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:17:00 - [5] hehe, thx for the correction Baldour. Like your "SIG". reminds me how LAME that T-Shirt CCP markets is.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:24:00 - [6] yes, to stop ONE tactic (which could be solves by, say, having sentry guns kill missiles or by SEVERAL other means) they're nerfing frigates utterly. Isn't it GREAT. "As far as I can tell, It doesn't matter who you are, If you can believe there's something worth fighting for " - Garbage, "Parade"
Baldour Ngarr	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:26:00 - [7] Originally by: Maya Rkell yes, to stop ONE tactic (which could be solves by, say, having sentry guns kill missiles or by SEVERAL other means) they're nerfing frigates utterly. Isn't it GREAT. I don't recall my Gallente frigates ever being able to fit 425mm railguns. Why should other frigates be able to fit battleship-sized missiles? _______ "Soon" is an ancient Icelandic word meaning "some time before the next Ice Age."
Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.18 09:32:00 - [8] That'd be cool, have the sentries fire at anytype of missile fired in secure space. I agree, a frigate is just a small ship, shouldn't be as uber as they are atm. Frigates are made for speed runs and support to other ships. Not gank an unarmed indy in secure space with one missile/torp.
Varia	Posted - 2004.05.18 10:39:00 - [9] Edited by: Varia on 18/05/2004 10:40:25 I was under the impression sentries do fire upon missiles but these exploit pirates fire at very close range. Meaning the sentries dont have time to kill the missile. I might be wrong. Women that strive to equal men lack ambition.
Cain Calzon	Posted - 2004.05.18 10:48:00 - [10] in the upcoming patches missiles will get an overhaul frigates will only be able to fire rockets and light missiles http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=80578
Phasics	Posted - 2004.05.18 13:04:00 - [11] btw its really not that hard to shield tank an industrial I tanked my badger II up to 1300 shield , with armour and hull it would take 10 full dmg crusie missles to take it out which equates to 3 kestrals or 2 caracals even then if the missles do less tahn 100% dmg then I'll still be alive afterwards and after the patch it wont be a problem there always a way around problems
Phasics	Posted - 2004.05.18 13:05:00 - [12] another useful tactic is to alwyas transport good in giant sec cans gankers often scan thier prey before attacking, no point loosing a kestral for an empty indusrial so hide your goods in a giant sec can
Jerek Laz	Posted - 2004.05.18 15:55:00 - [13] Not speaking as PIE here, just from the PoV of a player; There are two sides, as this is a game based around PVP interaction. Where there is a system, people will ALWAYS try to find a way around it. These people are pirates and piracy is what they do (Kind of obvious, I know) So, while I do not condone picking on players or mass piracy invasions into what I see as secure space, it has to be seen that these people have developed an effective piracy tactic. Now, what is classed as an exploit? A person who uses an aspect of the game to gain an UNFAIR advantage. Now, as I see it, an industrial, especially a bestower, can be tanked to the point where a torp will do bugger all. So the only unfairness was the lack of preparedness. This isn't really too much of an exploit (Not like Zombie did, at any rate). If everytime someone gets knocked down by another player and they (rightly or wrongly) call it an exploit and CCP does something, how long until we completely remove all combat, all semblance of a free-form world or trade? The real trick is ensuring no one over-abuses the system to the point where it ceases to be enjoyable. Now, IC as a PIE corp memeber... or rather just a loyal Amarran: My dear, rest assured that this matter has been brought to the attentions of certain authorities. If these actions do repeatedly occur to you or any other Amarrans, we shall of course take direct action agaisnt the antagonists. Have a nice day... -------------------------------------------- "I say that every prince must desire to be considered merciful and not cruel; nevertheless, he must take care not to misuse this mercy. Cesare Borgia was considered cruel; nonetheless his cruelty had brought ORDER to Romagna, united, restored it to PEACE and OBEDIENCE." -Machiavelli The Prince
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.18 17:27:00 - [14] You n00b. He got killed by centries. That's what secure space means, it means if you hit someone you lose your ship. Indies take a long time to explode once they are out of control, you got hit with the torp, started exploding. He got shot, probably once, by centries and lost his ship, then you lost yours. Concord sent an eve-mail saying what he was flying at the moment your ship was destroyed, and that was a pod. There is no exploit. You're the one who had an indy that could be taken out by one torp. That should be a bannable offense. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.05.18 18:13:00 - [15] I'm gonna say No on a side note however the skill learning system as a means of leveling and the small, yes small (because of highways) universe that is eve make it so that people with low skill points or money want to pirate but cannot out in the suburbs and country of eve because they cannot compete. The bottlenecks into 0.0 and the ability to see pilots in space on the map also prevent the lower skilled people from exploring and trying their luck in 0.0. Maybe in two years time after Shiva comes out we can eliminate bottlenecks into 0.0 because the territory will not be the possession to defend it will be the stations and mobile refineries and such.
GlimmerMan	Posted - 2004.05.18 19:29:00 - [16] Your Bestower was destroyed by a single Torpedo?.... Was it like 75% damaged to start with or something? I fail to understand this. __________________ - GlimmerMan
Spruance	Posted - 2004.05.18 21:28:00 - [17] I'm very surprised you were taken out by one torpedo. He probably fired 2-3 at you (kestrel can fire four). Reginald Spruance III
Damajink	Posted - 2004.05.18 21:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Spruance I'm very surprised you were taken out by one torpedo. He probably fired 2-3 at you (kestrel can fire four). Reginald Spruance III No, you cannot fit torpedoes in standard missile launchers. He either fired cruise missiles, or if the poster is right in saying it was a Bane torpedo, he somehow managed to fit a heavy launcher on his ship.... But a single Bane torpedo shouldn't kill a Bestower outright, considering max torpedo damage is about 400, and it has 700+ armour and 700+ structure....
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.18 21:49:00 - [19] The original poster has no idea what he is talking about, that's the first problem. If your Bestower gets killed by one torpedo you should consider no longer being a man, please hand in your genitals at the door. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Finraer	Posted - 2004.05.18 22:48:00 - [20] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Maya Rkell yes, to stop ONE tactic (which could be solves by, say, having sentry guns kill missiles or by SEVERAL other means) they're nerfing frigates utterly. Isn't it GREAT. I don't recall my Gallente frigates ever being able to fit 425mm railguns. Why should other frigates be able to fit battleship-sized missiles? Because a missile is not a gun perhaps? They can be counteracted close to 100% by a good smartbomb setup or defenders, can't fire through a roid and take forever to reach a long range target - now, show me a 99% defence against a gun turret from which I have time to watch the shot arriving and then leisurely decide to warp away and I will agree with you But the missile debate has been done to death on many a post. My vote is for probable exploit but I agree with others that if you are flying an indy that can be taken down with a single shot then you are probably doing something wrong kit-wise.
Shadowsword	Posted - 2004.05.18 23:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Finraer Because a missile is not a gun perhaps? They can be counteracted close to 100% by a good smartbomb setup or defenders, can't fire through a roid and take forever to reach a long range target - now, show me a 99% defence against a gun turret from which I have time to watch the shot arriving and then leisurely decide to warp away and I will agree with you Actually, Defenders are a joke. A good smartbomb setup can intercept most of the incoming missiles, but certainly not all if the missile user know what he's doing (and with the new changes, the speed of the missiles will make current SB setups useless), and at the cost of a BIG cap usage. Besides, any missile launched in range will always hit unless destroyed and do 100% damage. The same can't be said from turrets, far from it. So yes, Cruises and torpedoes are BATTLESHIP-SIZED weapons, and have nothing to do inside a frigate hull.
Finraer	Posted - 2004.05.18 23:14:00 - [22] Edited by: Finraer on 18/05/2004 23:23:58 Ignore this post of mine - I don't want to hijack someone else's thread on a topic that's been discussed elswhere.
YuuKnow	Posted - 2004.05.18 23:54:00 - [23] This has already been addressed and will stop with the next missle patch.
Tobruk	Posted - 2004.05.19 00:03:00 - [24] if its not i sploit id like to congradulate you for being the first person to be killed by a pod ----------------------------------------------
Telnen Kahfir	Posted - 2004.05.19 00:31:00 - [25] I think the point that many of you missed here is that he was in .9 space. Players in high security space should be guaranteed a measure of... security. I understand that the game is largely based around PvP. That's all well and good, but many players are either inexperienced or uninterested in this aspect, and they have been given a body of space in which they are supposed to be safe. Kestrel ganking is, in my opinion, a serious violation of the spirit of the game. If you want to attack defenseless players, at least do so in .4 or below sectors. Its not that hard. But there is no sanctioning the attacking of players in .5 and above space, especially when the ratio of cost to gain is negligible. They make money from this tactic, otherwise they wouldn't do it. Exploit or not, its wrong. "Fly beyond the reaches of your own expectations. There you gain a measure of satisfaction." -- Jacques Altron, Gallente Philosopher
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.19 03:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Telnen Kahfir I think the point that many of you missed here is that he was in .9 space. Secure space has nothing to do with a promise of safety, it has to do with a promise of punishment for those who infringe upon your safety. This is a method of deterent. Just like the laws we have in real life. You are less likely to get shot in front of a police station than you are in the middle of the ghetto. Why do people not understand this very simple concept? Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Agent Shield	Posted - 2004.05.19 03:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Alowishus Originally by: Telnen Kahfir I think the point that many of you missed here is that he was in .9 space. Secure space has nothing to do with a promise of safety, it has to do with a promise of punishment for those who infringe upon your safety. This is a method of deterent. Just like the laws we have in real life. You are less likely to get shot in front of a police station than you are in the middle of the ghetto. Why do people not understand this very simple concept? You said this so very well Alowishus! It is as you say, a very simple concept. While one would like to enjoy safety amongst the masses, it is not a guarantee of safety. If a player is willing to die to kill you, then there is nothing you can do about it. There are nut cases everywhere, but in Eve, you can make it profitable by having a partner clean up after you do the deed and die for which this guy and his partner in crime has done. While the original poster is complaining about being AFK while traveling with a bunch of cargo and some 27% expanders, it only makes it easier for the criminals to work their MoJo. I don't believe you should go around telling out loud you have a thousand dollars cash in your pocket, and I don't belive you should fly AFK with 27% expanders and a bestower filled with cargo. Agent Shield
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.05.19 03:51:00 - [28] 1) i used a caracal 2) 5 torpedos were used 3) i was killed by the sentries, so i didn't exploit in any way 4) it was funny 5) if i see you, it'll happen again
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.05.19 04:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Susan Chase I have decided this is not an exploit. Go me! okay then, you all heard it- it's now officially NOT an exploit. thank you for your time, and mods.
Susan Chase	Posted - 2004.05.19 04:28:00 - [30] I have decided this is not an exploit. Go me!
Emil Antonowsky	Posted - 2004.05.19 05:16:00 - [31] Thanks for inquiring about ODCS biomass. Your call is important and will be answered in the order it was recived. No better way to steal money than free enterprise.
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.19 05:33:00 - [32] Originally by: Bob Morton 1) i used a caracal 2) 5 torpedos were used 3) i was killed by the sentries, so i didn't exploit in any way 4) it was funny 5) if i see you, it'll happen again As I suspected, the original poster did not know what he was talking about. Shame the last torp didn't pod him. Suicide Caracal is pretty funny, makes Suicide Kestrels look like school children. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Emil Antonowsky	Posted - 2004.05.19 05:50:00 - [33] He also lied about the Local Hulls. We killed you because you are Amarr. Simple as that. No better way to steal money than free enterprise.
Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.19 06:10:00 - [34] Well damn, i'm sorry I posted anything on this * subject. I suppose secure space referes to dont't fly your weak ship anywhere. Glad it was a cruiser; for you got from my left overs, a "local Hull CONVERSION" and a "Cold Gas burner" which my corpmate got for me. As ED 209 was in the convo not with his Lame buddy when he did the act. Glad this has been put to rest that secure space is not so secure. Glad you lost what you lost pirate. My hold was empty, and I only had a few named things on. All those of you who had a * say on the matter **** you!!
Emil Antonowsky	Posted - 2004.05.19 06:23:00 - [35] Hugs & Kisses No better way to steal money than free enterprise.
Alowishus	Posted - 2004.05.19 06:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Alowishus on 19/05/2004 06:51:08 Originally by: Telk Behm'shai Well damn, i'm sorry I posted anything on this * subject. I suppose secure space referes to dont't fly your weak ship anywhere. Glad it was a cruiser; for you got from my left overs, a "local Hull CONVERSION" and a "Cold Gas burner" which my corpmate got for me. As ED 209 was in the convo not with his Lame buddy when he did the act. Glad this has been put to rest that secure space is not so secure. Glad you lost what you lost pirate. My hold was empty, and I only had a few named things on. All those of you who had a * say on the matter **** you!! First off, no false cry of expliot will be taken lightly. Secondly whining will also not be taken lightly. Third, your account of the story was totally and fantastically screwed up which is why most people made fun of you. You didn't even know what ship the guy was in. When I get killed not only do I know what ship the guy was in I know what he has in most of his mid and high slots. Lastly, see my explaination of secure space. Just like real life it is not some utopia where everyone has happy chips implanted that prevent violence. It's not a free for all like 0.0 either. It is a place where violence is swiftly punished, which in this case it was, but it can't always be prevented. I know some people refuse to compare anything in Eve to real life but that is irrational. The game was created by real life people and some of the mechanics and values will also be based on real life regardless of the fact that it is simply a game. If someone walks up to you in the ghetto (ie 0.0) and shoots you they can get away with it. If they walk up to you in front of a Police station (ie secure space) with cops three feet away and shoot you, the cops probably couldn't stop them but they are going to either shoot that person or arrest them, just like what happens in Eve. In the end you are just whining because you lost your ship. If everyone whined when they lost their stuff, rather than whatever percent does it, this forum would be totally useless whining crying garbage. It already has enough of that as it is. Raven 4TW! Rank(1) SP: 243745/256000
Kular	Posted - 2004.05.19 07:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Emil Antonowsky He also lied about the Local Hulls. We killed you because you are Amarr. Simple as that. I know your corp is made of Alts and the PIE has been kicking your butt around for a few weeks now, but that you were exclusivly after Amarr is news to me. Tell me terrorist whom do you serve? Which terrorist faction has resorted to this form of exploit??(flame off its cheap therefor an exploit for people who don't want to pvp) I might find some personal pleasure in helping our allies destroy your vile and pathetic alt ships now that I see you for more than cowardice pirates, but as true enemies of the Empire! Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
Agent Shield	Posted - 2004.05.19 08:02:00 - [38] Edited by: Agent Shield on 19/05/2004 08:04:40 Originally by: Telk Behm'shai Well damn, i'm sorry I posted anything on this g-a-y subject. I suppose secure space referes to dont't fly your weak ship anywhere. Glad it was a cruiser; for you got d-i-c-k from my left overs, a "local Hull CONVERSION" and a "Cold Gas burner" which my corpmate got for me. As ED 209 was in the convo not with his Lame buddy when he did the act. Glad this has been put to rest that secure space is not so secure. Glad you lost what you lost pirate. My hold was empty, and I only had a few named things on. All those of you who had a g-a-y say on the matter .... you!! 1) You brought the subject up. 2) Secure space is only as secure in punishment, not in prevention. 3) Was it a 'cruiser' or a 'bestower'? 4) Local hull conversion and cold gas burner; or your original post with a qty of 4 (27%) expanders and uber loot? 5) Secure space does not mean complete safety. Oh, and why be so angry? Why tell everyone "FU" when you are the one with a real unusal tale and whine? Have a nice day back at ya! Agent Shield
Professor Coldheart	Posted - 2004.05.19 08:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Kular Originally by: Emil Antonowsky He also lied about the Local Hulls. We killed you because you are Amarr. Simple as that. I know your corp is made of Alts and the PIE has been kicking your butt around for a few weeks now, but that you were exclusivly after Amarr is news to me. Tell me terrorist whom do you serve? Which terrorist faction has resorted to this form of exploit??(flame off its cheap therefor an exploit for people who don't want to pvp) I might find some personal pleasure in helping our allies destroy your vile and pathetic alt ships now that I see you for more than cowardice pirates, but as true enemies of the Empire! Pie? ROFLMAO!! We beat them so badly in the last few weeks they were forced to retract their war decleration. As punishment for their behavior Amarrians are now 100% KOS. As for your alt thing, it is pie that has the alts my mistaken friend. I forget the name of the corp Guards of some ****, but they used the same tactics which was getting smacked around like a redheaded stepchild. The best part was when a Pie guy flew all the way to our base and got pwnd in his geddon by a megathron. Yes, many alt corps fly megathrons and smack Pie around I guess. P.S. You suck Pie. You have no skills. It is patheticly easy to jam you as you are sad sack role players.
Bob Morton	Posted - 2004.05.19 17:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Telk Behm'shai Glad you lost what you lost pirate. First of all, I'm not a pirate, I'm a Buccaneer-American, and if you continue to use racist slurs like "pirate", I'll have to petition you. Secondly, a cruiser, fully insured, is chump change compared to what we make on a nightly basis. Oh, and, you're on the list.
Telk Behm'shai	Posted - 2004.05.20 06:26:00 - [41] Edited by: Telk Behm'shai on 20/05/2004 06:29:32 What list? The list that shows your PIRATE ass would be handed to you anywhere other than secure space cause I like my positive security rating you PIRATE?Pirate, Pirate, negative security PIRATE!
McWatt	Posted - 2004.05.20 18:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Telk Behm'shai ... Being semi AFK I missed the whole thing till I hear explosions coming from my comp. ... anything else to say? i think not.
Bohr	Posted - 2004.05.20 18:57:00 - [43] Originally by: Spruance I'm very surprised you were taken out by one torpedo. He probably fired 2-3 at you (kestrel can fire four). Reginald Spruance III Never heard of a kestrel firing torps. They don't fit in the std. or named launchers, and you can't fit more than one heavy launcher tops.
Professor Coldheart	Posted - 2004.05.20 19:38:00 - [44] Edited by: Professor Coldheart on 20/05/2004 19:39:06 Only our Tech II capsules can fire torps.
Kathar Narka	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:13:00 - [45] I'm cashing you out, Bob. Good night, sweet prince.
Clarence Bodicker	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:16:00 - [46] State of the art bang-bang. -------------------------------------------------- Criminal Connections Rank(3) SP: 76549/768000 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:21:00 - [47] Look ma! dead threads returning! ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Clarence Bodicker	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:22:00 - [48] Wrise from youw gwave! -------------------------------------------------- Criminal Connections Rank(3) SP: 76549/768000 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=
Gungankllr	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:30:00 - [49] Bumping old threads = Lame www.hadean.org
Fendor Atar	Posted - 2005.03.14 11:57:00 - [50] good god... let this thread rest in peace
Andrue	Posted - 2005.03.14 12:12:00 - [51] Edited by: Andrue on 14/03/2005 12:13:04 Not an exploit, just pirate action. Live and learn -- (Battle hardened miner) [Brackley, UK] WARNING:This post may contain large doses of reality.
Meehan	Posted - 2005.03.14 12:23:00 - [52] The only thing I remembered of Telk was that she hated pirates so much it was sick to listen to her smacktalking in local channels...
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.03.14 12:31:00 - [53] Old thread goes bye bye I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.

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