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Angel Slides
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:26:00 -
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After all this talk of suiciding, i was wondering what it would take to suicide a T1 hauler solo? And what about a T2 one?
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:54:00 -
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Just attack it in high-sec and concord will kill you. Mission complete :)
Anyway - assume you have 10 seconds in 1.0 and 30 in 0.5. Up to you to deliver the damage before concord shows up.
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Kirex
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2008.07.01 16:55:00 -
[3]
A high damage BC with a 1600mm plate and damage control in the lows for t1, never ganked a t2 hauler before.
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Angel Slides
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:00:00 -
[4]
 Originally by: Kirex
A high damage BC with a 1600mm plate and damage control in the lows for t1, never ganked a t2 hauler before.
I was told by smeone that it could be done relitively easily in a rax just no, this true?
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Nexus Kinnon
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:01:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Angel Slides
Originally by: Kirex
A high damage BC with a 1600mm plate and damage control in the lows for t1, never ganked a t2 hauler before.
I was told by smeone that it could be done relitively easily in a rax just no, this true?
I couldn't do it with an omen, but you may have better luck with a rax.
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Zirconium Blade
Ass Pounding Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:01:00 -
[6]
Use some maths, and let us know.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:31:00 -
[7]
Remember; Down the road, not across the street.
What?
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Cadde
Gallente
L.M.F.A.O
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Posted - 2008.07.01 17:38:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
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Opinions expressed are those of my own and does in NO WAY reflect the opinions of whatever corp/alliance i am currently part of. |
Mika Meroko
Minmatar
Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.07.01 20:44:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
roflmao
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Pigbearman
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Posted - 2008.07.01 20:55:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
fixed! dps has to be higher in 1.0 to equal the succes in a 0.5 system 
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:19:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Pigbearman
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
fixed! dps has to be higher in 1.0 to equal the succes in a 0.5 system
Exactly, that's why it is the other way round, just as Cadde posted it.
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:21:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Pigbearman
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
fixed! dps has to be higher in 1.0 to equal the succes in a 0.5 system
lol
Of course, the other guy was correct. Put in 100 DPS and 2000 EHP and see if you can gank it in 0.5 and 1.0.
Hint: You can gank it in 0.5, but not in 1.0.
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Cadde
Gallente
L.M.F.A.O
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Posted - 2008.07.01 21:32:00 -
[13]
Pfft... details, meatfails.
At least you get the point. Enough damage = glorious deaths for both parties.
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Petra Arkania
Minmatar
Ajo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.07.01 22:14:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Pigbearman
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
fixed! dps has to be higher in 1.0 to equal the succes in a 0.5 system
you didn't pass chemistry, did you?
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.01 23:33:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
wow never passed elementary school math?
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:46:00 -
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If you get lucky, it can also be a very profitable 'profession' 
Ganked a hauler full of blueprints tonight, should pay for my eve forever :D
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NateX
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.07.05 21:49:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
If you get lucky, it can also be a very profitable 'profession'
Ganked a hauler full of blueprints tonight, should pay for my eve forever :D
link km ;)
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.05 22:23:00 -
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2008.07.05 21:29:00
Victim: *Hidden*
Corp: Celestial Horizon Corp.
Alliance: Celestial Industrial Alliance
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Iteron Mark V
System: Hek
Security: 0.5
Damage Taken: 2343
Involved parties:
Name: Fedor Emilianenko (laid the final blow)
Security: -4.1
Corp: Caldari Provisions
Alliance: NONE
Faction: NONE
Ship: Brutix
Weapon: Heavy Neutron Blaster I
Damage Done: 2343
Destroyed items:
Gravimetric Sift Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Core Defence Field Purger I Blueprint (Cargo)
Core Defence Charge Economizer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Ogre I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Serpentis Electrum Tag (Cargo)
Armor Plates, Qty: 557 (Cargo)
Praetor I Blueprint, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Blueprint (Cargo)
Vespa I Blueprint, Qty: 13 (Cargo)
Acolyte I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Captain Insignia II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Anti-Thermic Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Nanobot Accelerator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Conductive Polymer, Qty: 376 (Cargo)
Warhead Flare Catalyst I Blueprint (Cargo)
Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Blueprint (Cargo)
Cargohold Optimization I, Qty: 3
Energy Collision Accelerator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Valkyrie I Blueprint, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Smashed Trigger Unit, Qty: 2879 (Cargo)
Hobgoblin I, Qty: 7 (Cargo)
Hornet I, Qty: 9 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Captain Insignia I, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I Blueprint (Cargo)
Defective Current Pump, Qty: 381 (Cargo)
Magnetometric Comb Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Malfunctioning Shield Emitter, Qty: 818 (Cargo)
Infiltrator I Blueprint, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Memetic Algorithm Bank I Blueprint (Cargo)
Fried Interface Circuit, Qty: 1451 (Cargo)
Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Contaminated Lorentz Fluid, Qty: 721 (Cargo)
Anti-Explosive Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Burned Logic Circuit, Qty: 2826 (Cargo)
Liquid Cooled Electronics I Blueprint (Cargo)
Amarr Navy Major Insignia I, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Anti-Kinetic Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Invulnerability Field II
Wasp I Blueprint, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Berserker I Blueprint, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Powergrid Subroutine Maximizer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Energy Burst Aerator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Radar Quest Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Megacyte, Qty: 33 (Cargo)
Radar Sift Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Cargohold Optimization I Blueprint (Cargo)
Magnetometric Sift Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Gravimetric Comb Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Ladar Quest Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Mexallon, Qty: 25812 (Cargo)
Amarr Navy Midshipman Insignia III, Qty: 3 (Cargo)
Ladar Sift Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Anti-EM Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 2
Remote Repair Augmentor I Blueprint (Cargo)
Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard I Blueprint (Cargo)
Hammerhead I Blueprint, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Energy Discharge Elutriation I Blueprint (Cargo)
Bay Loading Accelerator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Energy Ambit Extension I Blueprint (Cargo)
Tangled Power Conduit, Qty: 755 (Cargo)
Radar Pursuit Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Gravimetric Quest Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Ogre I Blueprint, Qty: 9 (Cargo)
Pyerite, Qty: 85036 (Cargo)
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.05 22:24:00 -
[19]
Dropped items:
Broken Drone Transceiver, Qty: 3198 (Cargo)
Ladar Pursuit Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Charred Micro Circuit, Qty: 5173 (Cargo)
Ogre I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Amarr Navy Colonel Insignia I (Cargo)
Auxiliary Nano Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Thruster Console, Qty: 1827 (Cargo)
Praetor I Blueprint, Qty: 6 (Cargo)
Core Defence Operational Solidifier I Blueprint (Cargo)
Vespa I Blueprint, Qty: 8 (Cargo)
Caldari Navy Commodore Insignia II, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Valkyrie I Blueprint, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Trimark Armor Pump I Blueprint (Cargo)
Hornet I (Cargo)
Nocxium, Qty: 194 (Cargo)
Ancillary Current Router I Blueprint (Cargo)
Radar Comb Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Gravimetric Pursuit Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Infiltrator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Alloyed Tritanium Bar, Qty: 115 (Cargo)
10MN Afterburner I
Scorched Telemetry Processor, Qty: 281 (Cargo)
Ladar Comb Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Serpentis Silver Tag (Cargo)
Melted Capacitor Console, Qty: 202 (Cargo)
Algid Energy Administrations Unit I Blueprint (Cargo)
Anti-Explosive Screen Reinforcer I Blueprint, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Wasp I Blueprint, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Berserker I Blueprint, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Energy Locus Coordinator I Blueprint (Cargo)
Tripped Power Circuit, Qty: 1086 (Cargo)
Magnetometric Quest Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Tritanium, Qty: 152067 (Cargo)
Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Blueprint (Cargo)
Capacitor Control Circuit I Blueprint, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
Semiconductor Memory Cell I Blueprint (Cargo)
Energy Metastasis Adjuster I Blueprint (Cargo)
Isogen, Qty: 1617 (Cargo)
Medium Shield Booster II
Serpentis Palladium Tag (Cargo)
Ward Console, Qty: 167 (Cargo)
Emission Scope Sharpener I Blueprint (Cargo)
Egress Port Maximizer I Blueprint (Cargo)
Zydrine, Qty: 45 (Cargo)
Expanded Cargohold II, Qty: 3
Caldari Navy Captain Insignia V (Cargo)
Hammerhead I Blueprint, Qty: 4 (Cargo)
Salvage Tackle I Blueprint (Cargo)
Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Blueprint (Cargo)
Contaminated Nanite Compound, Qty: 444 (Cargo)
Hammerhead I (Cargo)
Core Defence Field Extender I Blueprint (Cargo)
Magnetometric Pursuit Probe Blueprint (Cargo)
Damaged Artificial Neural Network, Qty: 132 (Cargo)
Ogre I Blueprint, Qty: 5 (Cargo)
Rocket Fuel Cache Partition I Blueprint (Cargo)
Small Standard Container (Cargo)
Atron Blueprint, Qty: 3 (In Container)
Condor Blueprint, Qty: 3
Hoarder Blueprint, Qty: 11
Breacher Blueprint, Qty: 43
Cormorant Blueprint, Qty: 4
Vexor Blueprint, Qty: 3
Scythe Blueprint, Qty: 7
Vigil Blueprint, Qty: 28
Maulus Blueprint, Qty: 6
Prophecy Blueprint, Qty: 2
Amarr Shuttle Blueprint, Qty: 2
Griffin Blueprint, Qty: 7
Mammoth Blueprint
Burst Blueprint, Qty: 4
Caldari Shuttle Blueprint, Qty: 18
Navitas Blueprint
Thorax Blueprint, Qty: 9
Gallente Shuttle Blueprint, Qty: 3
Blackbird Blueprint, Qty: 14
Executioner Blueprint, Qty: 5
Typhoon Blueprint, Qty: 2
Bestower Blueprint, Qty: 4
Raven Blueprint, Qty: 2
Omen Blueprint
Osprey Blueprint, Qty: 17
Rifter Blueprint, Qty: 23
Heron Blueprint, Qty: 3
Slasher Blueprint, Qty: 3
Celestis Blueprint, Qty: 2
Inquisitor Blueprint, Qty: 3
Dominix Blueprint
Probe Blueprint, Qty: 9
Catalyst Blueprint, Qty: 3
Moa Blueprint, Qty: 33
Caracal Blueprint, Qty: 13
Stabber Blueprint, Qty: 10
Tristan Blueprint, Qty: 8
Scorpion Blueprint, Qty: 2
Rupture Blueprint, Qty: 8
Exequror Blueprint, Qty: 4
Tormentor Blueprint
Badger Mark II Blueprint, Qty: 3
Sigil Blueprint
Crucifier Blueprint, Qty: 3
Maller Blueprint, Qty: 5
Iteron Mark III Blueprint
Kestrel Blueprint, Qty: 18
Megathron Blueprint
Imicus Blueprint, Qty: 3
Minmatar Shuttle Blueprint, Qty: 3
Bantam Blueprint, Qty: 13
Punisher Blueprint, Qty: 10
Covetor Blueprint, Qty: 8
Thrasher Blueprint, Qty: 3
Incursus Blueprint, Qty: 22
Merlin Blueprint, Qty: 4
Ferox Blueprint
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Mozohl
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 23:06:00 -
[20]
Hong-man choi dropped that?
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.05 23:09:00 -
[21]
Hehe :)
Alot of the expensive stuff died though :(
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Hesod Adee
Militants of Xen
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Posted - 2008.07.05 23:16:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Pigbearman
Originally by: Cadde
Edited by: Cadde on 01/07/2008 17:38:06
It's really simple:
For 1.0 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 30) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
For 0.5 sec systems:
success = ((your_DPS * 10) - target_EffectiveHitpoints)
That is, if success is a positive number... You win!
fixed! dps has to be higher in 1.0 to equal the succes in a 0.5 system
The 10 and 30 values are the time you spend doing that dps. So your 'corrected' equations are saying that your ship will live longer, and therefore do more total damage, in a 1.0 system than in a 0.5 system.
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Shigsy
The Golden Goat
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Posted - 2008.07.05 23:16:00 -
[23]
it'd be good if they were bpos tho
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.06 00:53:00 -
[24]
Yeah :(
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Noelle Fay
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.07.06 01:24:00 -
[25]
What's with everyone teaching new guys how to suicide... like we need any more
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The secret to success, whether it's women or money, is knowing when to quit. I oughta know: I'm divorced and broke. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.06 09:25:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Noelle Fay
What's with everyone teaching new guys how to suicide... like we need any more
there are only so many places it can be done, most of which it is already happening. so w/e, not that hard to figure out anyways 
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Napro
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.06 09:56:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
Hehe :)
Alot of the expensive stuff died though :(
What? How much were those blueprints worth?
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.06 10:50:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Fedor Emilianenko on 06/07/2008 10:51:03
Seems they were worth between a few hundred K and 2m each. Not Mega bucks really, but not too bad by my standards either.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.06 11:04:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Shigsy
it'd be good if they were bpos tho
they must be.. as you cant STACK bpc
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Fighting for Minmatar o7
Yes... this is my main.
Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Kiidra
Happy Go Lucky Pirate Co.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 11:39:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Shigsy
it'd be good if they were bpos tho
they must be.. as you cant STACK bpc
It's in caps so it must be true
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.06 12:04:00 -
[31]
They are all BPCs. But I can dream :))
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.07.06 16:13:00 -
[32]
if you want, I am putting together an alt corp designed for suicide ganks. If you would like to join it, and work towards bigger and better kills, contact me in game.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Antarr Slagh
QUANT Corp.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 19:32:00 -
[33]
Can you really get 30 seconds before getting popped in 0.5?
It always seemed instant to me 
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Wideen
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.07.06 20:09:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Kiidra
Originally by: Riho
Originally by: Shigsy
it'd be good if they were bpos tho
they must be.. as you cant STACK bpc
It's in caps so it must be true
Quoted for TRUTH!
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.06 22:04:00 -
[35]
razor blade or bleach.
or 1 unit of large building
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Rothervaux
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Posted - 2008.07.07 10:53:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Antarr Slagh
Can you really get 30 seconds before getting popped in 0.5?
It always seemed instant to me
Same Tryed with 2 brutix with T2 guns both had L5 BC
but still not killed the hulk even on 3rd go :(
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Terra Mikael
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.07.07 11:10:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Angel Slides
After all this talk of suiciding, i was wondering what it would take to suicide a T1 hauler solo? And what about a T2 one?
Too easy.
1) get in T1/T2 hauler,
2) equip civilian gatlin gun
3) unlock and randomly shoot things until you're sure you've suicided yourself
4)???
5)Profit
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Ninja Looter, Ninja Salvager, And High sec suicide Ganker - Making high-sec feel like low-sec, not for ISK, but for LuLz. |
Vim
Spook Division
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Posted - 2008.07.07 15:10:00 -
[38]
In one of my confused days traveling to nearby lowsec I tought I was at my destination system and found a rupture in a belt, I engage with my ruppy, hes almost down and then... kazaam O_O wth happened Iam in a pod suddenly. Turns out I had stopped in the 0.5 system nextdoor and not noted -_-
So yes you have plenty of time in 0.5
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The Comatorium
Four Rings
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.07.07 21:38:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
2008.07.05 21:29:00
Victim: *Hidden*
Corp: Celestial Horizon Corp.
Alliance: Celestial Industrial Alliance
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Iteron Mark V
System: Hek
Security: 0.5
Damage Taken: 2343
Tell me it was Cyvok... lol plz tell me.
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Power... the law of the land, Those living by death will Die by their own hands
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Helen
coracao ardente
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:19:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Kirex
A high damage BC with a 1600mm plate and damage control in the lows for t1, never ganked a t2 hauler before.
Good setup everyone who is trying to gank use this.
Or simply work out that infact a BC can tank gate guns long enough to kill the target without a 1600 plate, just fit for damage and tracking. Brutix works best for the majority of targets.
T2 Haulers are a different kettle of fish and usually your better off using a nice gankgeddon for those.
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.08 00:45:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Fedor Emilianenko on 08/07/2008 00:45:36
What Helen said. No need for any more tank than a DCU in the lows. Also make sure you fit a ship scanner so you know to take out only the non tanked industrials.
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Robin WooT
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Posted - 2008.07.09 11:43:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
Edited by: Fedor Emilianenko on 08/07/2008 00:45:36
What Helen said. No need for any more tank than a DCU in the lows. Also make sure you fit a ship scanner so you know to take out only the non tanked industrials.
since when can t1 indy's tank ?
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black vodka
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:02:00 -
[43]
Whats the chances of success of 10 flashy T1 fit BCs jumping into a 0.5 system, warping to a mission and ganking a faction BS?
Anyone?
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MaDeX
Against all Rules
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:47:00 -
[44]
Originally by: black vodka
Whats the chances of success of 10 flashy T1 fit BCs jumping into a 0.5 system, warping to a mission and ganking a faction BS?
Anyone?
About a slim as a Anorexic tea party.
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.10 23:16:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Robin WooT
Originally by: Fedor Emilianenko
Edited by: Fedor Emilianenko on 08/07/2008 00:45:36
What Helen said. No need for any more tank than a DCU in the lows. Also make sure you fit a ship scanner so you know to take out only the non tanked industrials.
since when can t1 indy's tank ?
They can tank just enough to allow concord to arrive and rage you in a 0.5 from my experience if tanked intelligently.
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Spectre3353
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.11 15:58:00 -
[46]
Originally by: MaDeX
Originally by: black vodka
Whats the chances of success of 10 flashy T1 fit BCs jumping into a 0.5 system, warping to a mission and ganking a faction BS?
Anyone?
About a slim as a Anorexic tea party.
I just attended one of those last night. It was marvelous and the biscuits were DELICIOUS.
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http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
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Fedor Emilianenko
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:47:00 -
[47]
I call hax!
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