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KappaRho Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.07.02 10:30:00 - [31] Can I have your stuff?
Scamalt Horrid Horrid Games	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:44:00 - [32] Edited by: Scamalt Horrid on 02/07/2008 11:44:56 Originally by: KappaRho Can I have your stuff? Hehe, I just wanted to say that myself :p And as a precaution to new players, you really DO HAVE TO READ CAREFULLY all information on any subject that you want to participate in, be it a contract, or a character transfer, or anything else in this game. This is not WoW! . The situation from this thread was NOT A SCAM, but simply a mistake from the player who sent his ISK without a confirmation of winning the auction.
Mr McCargo The Golden Circle of Wealthy Entrepreneurs	Posted - 2008.07.02 12:21:00 - [33] Cool down and think about what you did, and see if there really was no error in your doings. Anyways, cursing CCP and other players with profanity won't help, that's for sure. - Mr C
ArwenUndomiel Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2008.07.02 20:28:00 - [34] Wow good reading! I along with many others believe that you made a grave mistake. Sorry to see it happen but it did. I hope it works out for you but if it doesn't it was totally your fault. __________ EXAN is Recruiting
Haldeeman Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.07.02 21:16:00 - [35] Edited by: Haldeeman on 02/07/2008 21:18:06 In all honesty, i think this is a bit ****. if CCP is providing the functionality within the external (i.e. out of game) mechanisims of the game to provide character transfers, its should be modulated and monitored to provide a safe and secure way to allow secure and safe transfers of characters without hiding behind terms and conditions of what appears to be, to be brutally honest - a lack luster and un-catered for (but yet endorsed by CCP) transaction. As in - if they were to make it so that if you wanted to sell your character it should be implemented within the eve-o website. Just an idea - maybe in this fashion. Name of character to sell: (drop menu) Reserve value in isk: (enter value) Buyout value in isk: (enter value) Min char value in isk: (enter value) From that the format is all open for everyone to see, no hiding behind 'he didnt post such and such to indicate you had won'. Everyone of you that posted a diatribe of 'you should of read x, y, and z' would feel gutted if it was you - its undisbutable. CCP should really understand that whilst the mechanics of the game allow for people to scam within the game etc (which i enjoy) the outside mechanics based on the forums, forum transcations (real money VS. gtc which they endorse and proactively market) should be monitored and regulated to ensure this sort of thing is VERY clear cut and easy to understand. It is apparent that the rules are very transparent and able to be bent and/or broken at a whim. Especially if they give the ability for real money to be spent on isk and then re-traded on a virtual asset such as an eve toon. A method to stop this sort of thing happening again should be developed. I would like to hear a devs' opinion on this.
Ben Bitdiddle	Posted - 2008.07.02 21:25:00 - [36] Edited by: Ben Bitdiddle on 02/07/2008 21:25:35 Sensator, you are probably pretty upset, but consider this: You just lost 1.7B ISK. Game currency. Play Money. In the real world, the scammers are a lot more ruthless, the scams are a lot more subtle, and the loss is a lot more painful. Just turn on the news and look for those poor fools who bought a house in the last two years and signed some stupid ARM without reading the contract, not knowing that their interest rate was about to skyrocket. Some of them are going to lose their house, and declare bankruptcy. I hope you are upset enough about this that you remember it, and someday when you are making a major purchase or signing up for a credit card or something, you will have learned from this. That's what games are all about. It's a sandbox with no (real) consequences and if EVE has taught you to read and understand the contract then this will be a good experience for you. Specifically note this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381 Quote: When buying and selling characters, please note that by confirming the trade via EVEmail, you ensure that the facts of the matter are documented, should any later disputes arise that require GM attention. A simple confirmation e-mail from the seller is all you would have needed to avoid getting scammed.
Trakker freelancers inc	Posted - 2008.07.02 22:48:00 - [37] Honestly ... well auctioning charaters aint the same as auction stuff on contracts you cant just bid the highest and the stuff is automaticly yours. I have sold a bit of charaters so far and honestly dude it was your own fault. Even so read the rules im sure it tells you how to trade the safest. And i think 1 rule is something like this " The seller can back out of a sale when ever he likes even after a b/o has been offerd etc ". Hope ya learned from this. Dont send isk unless you get confirmation from the seller its simple. btw plz gm's just delete this post will ya its a eyesore... thx
Dr Rhinehart	Posted - 2008.07.03 11:27:00 - [38] This is an excellent idea in my opinion. The type of system is already in place with GTCs and I would've thought it wouldn't be that difficult to implement an automated system for transfering chars. I've personally been involved in an incident revolving around a char sale in which the person sent me the isk without confirming anything and then proceeded to lie to a GM about what had been agreed. This led to them being perma banned. All of that would've been avoided if an automated system was in place, which would also save the GMs a lot of time in having to sort out messes such as these. Originally by: Haldeeman Edited by: Haldeeman on 02/07/2008 21:18:06 In all honesty, i think this is a bit ****. if CCP is providing the functionality within the external (i.e. out of game) mechanisims of the game to provide character transfers, its should be modulated and monitored to provide a safe and secure way to allow secure and safe transfers of characters without hiding behind terms and conditions of what appears to be, to be brutally honest - a lack luster and un-catered for (but yet endorsed by CCP) transaction. As in - if they were to make it so that if you wanted to sell your character it should be implemented within the eve-o website. Just an idea - maybe in this fashion. Name of character to sell: (drop menu) Reserve value in isk: (enter value) Buyout value in isk: (enter value) Min char value in isk: (enter value) From that the format is all open for everyone to see, no hiding behind 'he didnt post such and such to indicate you had won'. Everyone of you that posted a diatribe of 'you should of read x, y, and z' would feel gutted if it was you - its undisbutable. CCP should really understand that whilst the mechanics of the game allow for people to scam within the game etc (which i enjoy) the outside mechanics based on the forums, forum transcations (real money VS. gtc which they endorse and proactively market) should be monitored and regulated to ensure this sort of thing is VERY clear cut and easy to understand. It is apparent that the rules are very transparent and able to be bent and/or broken at a whim. Especially if they give the ability for real money to be spent on isk and then re-traded on a virtual asset such as an eve toon. A method to stop this sort of thing happening again should be developed. I would like to hear a devs' opinion on this.
Mixed Signals Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.03 12:14:00 - [39] Tbh, how many people actually get scammed out of characters on a daily basis? This is probably the first time im reading "scam" in CB and even then its a false alarm. If someone is trying to scam the sale generally doesnt even go through. Yes there will be execptions, 5 maybe 10 people will get scammed. Seriously i believe that if someone gets scammed in EVE then it is their own fault. I know this personally because i have been scammed as well, and i found no reason to blame someone else for my foolishness and blind faith on a stranger, atleast i learned not to do it ever again. :) CCP doesnt really need a system like with GTC's for character transfers. GTC's can be faked when eve-mailed or manipulated in many ways. Characters can be confirmed via lots of methods for example a Full API if you are really paranoid or just overtly careful. :)
Gellente Spy	Posted - 2008.07.03 12:53:00 - [40] I was scammed once on CB but because I'd done everything right I got my isk back. I do feel sorry for the OP but the whine in this thread is about 80% proof. You sent isk when nothing had been confirmed, therefore you lost it. It sucks but that's life in EVE. If you give the majority of players in this game even half a chance they will rip you off before you blink. You played straight into this without any co-ercment whatsoever which means you must be very easily led. Swap all your stuff for a WoW account?
Paul LikesMen	Posted - 2008.07.03 14:21:00 - [41] Quit complaining CCP can't help you for a stupid mistake you made Mine some veldspar or rat a shit ton of sancha spawns and don't complain
Daemien Murdoc	Posted - 2008.07.03 15:02:00 - [42] Approx week ago i had auction on my char My char auction I noticed that Mightymaxx who place only bid on my char, had placed bid on your character too. Bid on my char 2008.06.20 16:42:00 On your char 2008.06.20 22:55:00 Two bids on same day. Its a bit odd. Anyway, i did send him polite message that he (Mightymaxx) won my auction and that im waiting for him to contact me. So far i havent heard a single word from him. Might be totally unrelated to your incident, or maybe not... Who knows... Maybe he was hit by steamroller...
queen iverz	Posted - 2008.07.04 04:05:00 - [43] Edited by: queen iverz on 04/07/2008 04:10:50 Originally by: SeNsaToR Well I made one mistake which was Colbie Yosh not posting in the thread, the one you state Spineker isn't even a rule. So if the buyer makes one miniscule mistake the seller can essentially scam the buyer. Awesome rules CCP, keep up the good work! Open ur eyes dude... hehe i dunno why im bothering with posting on this tread... but u obviously wont acknowledge the fact that it was your mistake. U made a bid on the character, for all you know his account might be frozen due to lack of payment.. or maybe he doesnt even have the RL money to do the transfer... (not saying that this is the issue but nonetheless this can happend... therfor u dont give the isk before the char have confirmed that he accept the bid!) you prolly wanted the char real bad and just sent isk as soon as the auction ended hoping he wouldnt have any choice then since u had allrdy payed, (he did have a hidden reserve). IF he had said "oki bid accepted awaiting isk" You would have a valid argument.. IT says in the FAQ that EVERYTHING that has to do with character trade, eigther have it written in evemails OR here on the forum. IF u buy it trough ICQ/MSN/EMAIL or in anyway where u dont have something concrete to show the GM (like in your case) ur ****ed:/ sorry but thats the way it is. EDIT: someone actually have the part i mean quoted from the faq^^ if u only read it:/ anyways sorry for ur loss now move on:)
Vayi Mory Minmatar venator vestigium	Posted - 2008.07.04 04:26:00 - [44] the point has been made clear multiple times now. the sad point is you just gave a him some nice isk as a gift. learn from it. and please stop bumping this tread up i hate caps lock topics and even more if they are like this. ----- in vicis of bellum lex cado silens I respect forum mods so I aid them
Psychotic Penguin Gallente BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2008.07.04 06:34:00 - [45] how about you learn to read the rules, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=552381 it states that the character to receive the isk has to post in the thread and that the deal has to be confirmed through eve mail BEFORE transferring isk or character. in case you are in doubt 'confirm' means an eve mail with all the details of the trade is sent from one party to the other and then responded to by the other party before the trade goes ahead (exactly like in real life except for it being paper instead of eve mail). ____________________________________________________ Reality is for those who have no imagination.

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