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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.04 15:41:00 -
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Faction warfare's got more people into PVP now in groups, presumably they're utilizing EVE voice for the majority of voice comms. There's been recent attention in patches to get things more stable, which is a good thing. Anyone I've spoken to who's used EVE Voice has mentioned now the integration is great, and the quality is about a billion times better than Teamspeak (arguably the more common of the third part VOIP tools used by players).
Isn't it now about time EVE Voice gets the feature we need, and a lot of people have been waiting for since it was first integrated into the EVE client? The feature that would make it infinitely more useful than it is now?
The external client.
I say THE external client, because this was a feature Vivox has touted in the past. It exists, what does not is the provision for it in EVE. The idea is that you would run the external client on your system and if EVE dies you don't lose your connection to the channel(s) you were speaking in.
Is this even in the cards for us here, and if so what might the timeline be? I know historically the addition of features to the client has taken a staged approach, but EVE Voice has moved along at the pace of a snail moving against an Icelandic coastal wind.
I know this still wouldn't make it a 100% replacement for third party services, but this would be a huge boost for adopting EVE Voice as a primary method of comms during ops for a lot of organizations.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 -
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External vivox client? I would dig that.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.04 18:40:00 -
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May the force be with you.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:14:00 -
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External EVE Voice client? Tarminic like.
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Stab Wounds
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:41:00 -
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TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.07.04 19:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
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Maceross
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:03:00 -
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Love EVE voice, if we had an external client for it too i might just have a sex wee.
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feiht'd'ero
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:06:00 -
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IIRC CCP wanted to charge for it when it first came out. Once it becomes well used whats to stop them hitting us with a subscription fee for it ? once alliances and corps become more dependant on it
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Viqtoria
Caldari
Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.07.04 20:07:00 -
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eve voice is actually pretty good, FW lets it shine :)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.04 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: feiht'd'ero
IIRC CCP wanted to charge for it when it first came out. Once it becomes well used whats to stop them hitting us with a subscription fee for it ? once alliances and corps become more dependant on it
You could say the same about the forums, or T2 gear. I think what you're remembering, rather incorrectly, was some statements which came out early on that the inclusion of an external client would essentially be like providing a VOIP service independent of the game, in a way. Thus, additional cost.
I guess it all depends on the capabilities of it. I don't know if it's possible to require the game client to initiate comms to the Voice service and the external client can only get a hand off from the game, then back to it.
My point of this is that there's probably a lot of questions such as these, yet there's been no information on whether the option's even being entertained. If not, why not? If yes, then what's taking so long? :)
There were all sorts of goodies which were possible from the Vivox end, such as being able to tie in actual phone calls to the service. Imagine having your CEO dial in by cell to be in a corp meeting, that kind of thing (it was even demonstrated at Fanfest two years ago).
All of that is nothing compared to the ability to make a Voice session withstand a client crash.
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Marlenus
Caldari
Ironfleet Towing And Salvage
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Posted - 2008.07.04 22:24:00 -
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Actually the voice feature we need most isn't really EVE voice at all, it's a fleet feature: an option to let people who get disconnected get automatically reinvited to the fleet upon logging back in.
The biggest problem with EVE voice for me is that there's no way to say "Hey, I got disconnected, invite me back to the fleet" after a D/c.
If there's some game reason for kicking people out of fleets upon D/c, then an EVE Voice feature to let them reconnect to fleet chat at least would be most useful.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.07.04 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Anyone I've spoken to who's used EVE Voice has mentioned now the integration is great, and the quality is about a billion times better than Teamspeak (arguably the more common of the third part VOIP tools used by players).
I have no idea who you've been talking to blinky, any time I've tried EVE Voice the quality was worse than two polystyrene cups with a piece of string between them. I last tried it about 6 months ago, I struggled to understand corp mates and they couldn't understand me whereas with TS we have no problems. I also found I couldn't work out which of my corp mates was talking despite knowing their voices really well from TS. We found it too poor to use for a conversation let lone combat ops.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.04 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
Troll much?
It's not really trolling when it's true.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Xorxarle
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.07.04 23:58:00 -
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You should give it a go now. the quality isn't bad at all to be honest and if you tick the box in the eve voice menu that put the last person to speak to the top of the list it helps a lot.
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Nexus Kinnon
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.07.05 00:06:00 -
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They added some fixes in EA, ye doubters should try it again. 
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
Troll much?
It's not really trolling when it's true.
Which would be valid, if it were true. 
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Stab Wounds
TS/Ventrilo > EVE voice
Troll much?
It's not really trolling when it's true.
Which would be valid, if it were true.
Except that the OP has nailed one of the exact reasons that it is currently inferior.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:04:00 -
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The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For example, in FW today we had a 23 man fleet, all of them using EVE Voice. They joined and started listening. 0 time was spent distributing passwords and server addresses, we didn't have to ask anyone to get access to a channel, no one had to install anything, and anyone who wanted to speak could do so clearly and without technical problems.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
As long as CCP's client (and CCP) remains in the loop as a possible specific point of failure, it will remain to be inferior to Vent or TS.
/me points to CCP's billing system
/me points to ongoing lag every weekend
/me points to these forums
/me points to CCP's demonstrated lack of QA/QC capability capability
and the list goes on..
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tarminic
The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
As long as CCP's client (and CCP) remains in the loop as a possible specific point of failure, it will remain to be inferior to Vent or TS.
/me points to CCP's billing system
/me points to ongoing lag every weekend
/me points to these forums
/me points to CCP's demonstrated lack of QA/QC capability capability
and the list goes on..
And yet, if it was inferior, why did we use it?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tarminic
The OP has stated one of the disadvantages it has over Vent and TS. This does not necessary signify a general inferiority, which I think is a matter of opinion.
For that specific operation, EVE Voice was a clear winner over Vent/TS.
As long as CCP's client (and CCP) remains in the loop as a possible specific point of failure, it will remain to be inferior to Vent or TS.
/me points to CCP's billing system
/me points to ongoing lag every weekend
/me points to these forums
/me points to CCP's demonstrated lack of QA/QC capability capability
and the list goes on..
And yet, if it was inferior, why did we use it?
Because you are drunk on CCP's Kool-aid? (guessing)
You used it because it was convenient and free, and because as long as you don't lag out it probably works o.k. Convenient and free does not make it on par with TS or Vent. If CCP made this external to the game client, and allowed a 3rd party to operate it who has proficiency doing so, I would 100% reconsider my position.
When a fleet lags-out and 1/2 of the fleet has to log, it's an obvious advantage to be able to tell them via voice where to be when (or if) they can log back on.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:02:00 -
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So you would say that in that particular instance, EVE Voice was the best tool for the job, even if it is not the best tool for all or even most instances?
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Bast's Cleric
Amarr
24th Imperial Reserves
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:04:00 -
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Actually I think Eve Voice worked quite well for that Fleet. I suspect that if CCP were to provide a External Voice Client that the use of TS and Vent for Eve would disappear entirely.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
So you would say that in that particular instance, EVE Voice was the best tool for the job, even if it is not the best tool for all or even most instances?
Not having been a part of your fleet I cannot say one way or another, but I would digress to say that if you claim it worked flawlessly for you in this specific situation with a small fleet then kudos for the convenience.
Until it's external and we don't have to reconnect the game client to make comms work again, E-voice is not even close to being on par with Vent or TS.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Doc Fury on 05/07/2008 02:18:58
Originally by: Bast's Cleric
Actually I think Eve Voice worked quite well for that Fleet. I suspect that if CCP were to provide a External Voice Client that the use of TS and Vent for Eve would disappear entirely.
I suspect you would be right if it was also in fact as reliable as vent or TS are now. The biggest hurdle here is that E-voice has to support thousands of users (or more) simultaneously whereas a private TS or vent server only has to deal with a minute fraction of those users making the potential for failure that much less.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
Originally by: Tarminic
So you would say that in that particular instance, EVE Voice was the best tool for the job, even if it is not the best tool for all or even most instances?
Not having been a part of your fleet I cannot say one way or another, but I would digress to say that if you claim it worked flawlessly for you in this specific situation with a small fleet then kudos for the convenience.
Until it's external and we don't have to reconnect the game client to make comms work again, E-voice is not even close to being on par with Vent or TS.
Fair enough. I think that for 0.0 vent/TS will remain popular for quite some time, due to both being well-established and the fact that in larger battles client crashes are more common and TS/Vent is unaffected by them.
But to dismiss it entirely is flawed, because there are plenty of instances where it's superior to TS or Vent. 
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.07.05 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
But to dismiss it entirely is flawed, because there are plenty of instances where it's superior to TS or Vent.
I only do so based on CCP's established long-term inability to make their existing game features scale very well, and the fact that they regularly tackle a problem to only 90% completion.
I am fully prepared to be impressed however, should they start demonstrating otherwise.
The beginning was the end (of everything)
The Ape regards his tail, (he's stuck on it)
Repeats until he fails..half a goon and half a god.. a man's not made of steel...
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.08 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury
I only do so based on CCP's established long-term inability to make their existing game features scale very well, and the fact that they regularly tackle a problem to only 90% completion.
I am fully prepared to be impressed however, should they start demonstrating otherwise.
In my opinion this is a perfect opportunity to elevate the service to to the level it should be at. They got VOIP support in, made it free, now make it functional for serious use. In this case though your 90% argument sure stands. :) It's almost there, just needs to be dragged across the finish line.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.07.08 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/07/2008 15:41:07
Eve Voice works good for me. Since it runs on a separate network, server lag doesnt affect it so even in the middle of a fight, the commands are easy to hear.
Everybody underestimated how useful it would be except CCP and a few other people. If they would have listened to their player base, we would not have it today.
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.07.08 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 08/07/2008 15:48:56
I am a big Fan of Eve Voice. it has really made voice comms for FW much easier than Vent/TS ever was/could be imho. However the lack of an external client, or more specifically the inablity to use it from the Character login screen makes it very hard to plan a proper logon trap....errrr
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