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Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute.
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:38:00 - [32] Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:41:00 - [33] Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute. Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute. Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP.
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:43:00 - [35] indeed, whilst the phase makes sense in itself it's clearly being used in place of 'couldn't care less', which is pretty odd as they have opposite meanings. 2+2=5 i guess
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:43:00 - [36] indeed, whilst the phase makes sense in itself it's clearly being used in place of 'couldn't care less', which is pretty odd as they have opposite meanings. 2+2=5 i guess
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:44:00 - [37] Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone *****ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty. Well, as far as I know "ain't" has a very clear meaning, leaving no possibility for ambiguity. I think you're misunderstanding me here, I'm not defending that the english language should be nailed to the floor, with no further modifications allowed. What I'm defending is that English (and other languages, for that matter) should evolve to remove cases of ambiguity, not the other way around. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone *****ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty. Well, as far as I know "ain't" has a very clear meaning, leaving no possibility for ambiguity. I think you're misunderstanding me here, I'm not defending that the english language should be nailed to the floor, with no further modifications allowed. What I'm defending is that English (and other languages, for that matter) should evolve to remove cases of ambiguity, not the other way around. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Johnnie Nano The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:45:00 - [39] I couldn't care less, I'm off to tank Kara o/
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:45:00 - [40] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute. Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP. stp tryin 2b cleva cuz u r not ur dum LOL I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily.
Johnnie Nano The Scope	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:45:00 - [41] I couldn't care less, I'm off to tank Kara o/
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I agree for the most part. Unfortunately, common usage of incorrect phraseology leads to general acceptance, even though it is grammatically incorrect. IMO changes like this are caused by apathy, laziness and ignorance of proper grammar. This in turn, brings rise to 'languages' like ebonics. Think of the poor children's kittens. They're so cute. Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP. stp tryin 2b cleva cuz u r not ur dum LOL I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily.
Big Al Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:46:00 - [43] Lets redouble our efforts.
Big Al Stoat's Ultimate Carebear Adventure	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:46:00 - [44] Lets redouble our efforts.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:48:00 - [45] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:48:43 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone ***ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty. Well, as far as I know "ain't" has a very clear meaning, leaving no possibility for ambiguity. I think you're misunderstanding me here, I'm not defending that the english language should be nailed to the floor, with no further modifications allowed. What I'm defending is that English (and other languages, for that matter) should evolve to remove cases of ambiguity, not the other way around. Ambiguity is why English is the best language and German's are such boring people. I am a firm believer that lanugage shapes thought, and the more ambiguous the better as it allows for more thought combinations which in turn leads to more interesting thoughts. English comedy is the best for a reason. edit t Viq: Yeah ** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything!
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:48:00 - [46] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:48:43 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone ***ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty. Well, as far as I know "ain't" has a very clear meaning, leaving no possibility for ambiguity. I think you're misunderstanding me here, I'm not defending that the english language should be nailed to the floor, with no further modifications allowed. What I'm defending is that English (and other languages, for that matter) should evolve to remove cases of ambiguity, not the other way around. Ambiguity is why English is the best language and German's are such boring people. I am a firm believer that lanugage shapes thought, and the more ambiguous the better as it allows for more thought combinations which in turn leads to more interesting thoughts. English comedy is the best for a reason. edit t Viq: Yeah ** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything!
MentaFox The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:50:00 - [47] Edited by: MentaFox on 04/07/2008 18:51:58 Maybe i've got my head dug too far down in the sand or something, but i dont recall seing these two words interchanged, ever?? EDIT: Asuka, that's an interesting thought. I've always found german to be dull, maybe this is why. ----------------------
MentaFox The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:50:00 - [48] Edited by: MentaFox on 04/07/2008 18:51:58 Maybe i've got my head dug too far down in the sand or something, but i dont recall seing these two words interchanged, ever?? EDIT: Asuka, that's an interesting thought. I've always found german to be dull, maybe this is why. ----------------------
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:57:00 - [49] Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 18:58:59 Originally by: Asuka Smith Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP. I'm not disagreeing that this is (in part) how language evolves. Personally I'd rather people use the correct terminology. That doesn't change the fact that when someone says 'I could care less', people understand what the person is saying. IMO it's unfortunate that people just accept it and don't take a little extra time to get it right or at least make an effort. *edit ~~lolz~~ lulz grammer ~~suxx~~ suxx0rz
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:57:00 - [50] Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 18:58:59 Originally by: Asuka Smith Or the evolution of common English. How do you think we got from ye Shakespearian linguaphonics of yesteryear into where we are now? I doubt we transitioned overnight, it was probably a slow and steady process where meanings were constantly shifted and adjusted as new words and word combinations entered play. Kind of like the example in the OP. I'm not disagreeing that this is (in part) how language evolves. Personally I'd rather people use the correct terminology. That doesn't change the fact that when someone says 'I could care less', people understand what the person is saying. IMO it's unfortunate that people just accept it and don't take a little extra time to get it right or at least make an effort. *edit ~~lolz~~ lulz grammer ~~suxx~~ suxx0rz
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what?
Viqtoria Caldari Groping Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what?
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:00:00 - [53] prz1ly im w8n 4 wen we al typ lik dis, bleev dat.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:00:00 - [54] prz1ly im w8n 4 wen we al typ lik dis, bleev dat.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what? "I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily." To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:01:00 - [56] Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what? "I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily." To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better.
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:05:00 - [57] Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 19:10:22 Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 19:08:32 Originally by: Asuka Smith To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better. This issue is squarely part of the other ten percent. Accepting things like this and dumbing down the English language is not a change for the better. edited for quoting and sepeliling edit edit - sepeliling is now the proper way to spell the 'old school' word spelling
Pardack Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:05:00 - [58] Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 19:10:22 Edited by: Pardack on 04/07/2008 19:08:32 Originally by: Asuka Smith To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better. This issue is squarely part of the other ten percent. Accepting things like this and dumbing down the English language is not a change for the better. edited for quoting and sepeliling edit edit - sepeliling is now the proper way to spell the 'old school' word spelling
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:09:00 - [59] Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what? "I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily." To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better. This issues is squarely part of the other ten percent. Accepting things like this and dumbing down the English language is not a change for the better. Well to each their own I suppose, but when you are talking like Mr. Burns while the rest of the world rides the bullet train to progress I hope your inner-monologue says: "Damn kinds these days, oh well I could care less... DOH"
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 19:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Pardack Originally by: Asuka Smith Originally by: Viqtoria Originally by: Asuka Smith edit t Viq: Yeah **** CHANGE! We need to go back to the olde times when English was pure... Just like our streets! No more woman voting no more black freedom! The economy was better and everything! what? "I'd not cheer the evolution of language so readily." To which I responded that things change and 9/10 it is for the better. This issues is squarely part of the other ten percent. Accepting things like this and dumbing down the English language is not a change for the better. Well to each their own I suppose, but when you are talking like Mr. Burns while the rest of the world rides the bullet train to progress I hope your inner-monologue says: "Damn kinds these days, oh well I could care less... DOH"

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