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James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:17:00 - [1] OK. Seriously guys. There is a LARGE difference, between "Could" and "Couldn't". When you say "I could care less" you mean EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of "I couldn't care less". That "n't" is a contraction of "not" which is a negation operator. When you "couldn't care less" it means you don't care at all. When you "could care less" it means you care some, or maybe quite a lot, and therefore ... could care less, but don't necessarily. The two are NOT interchangable. (And yes, this _is_ eve related, as it's used extensively in Empryean Age, when the opposite is clearly what is meant from context). GET IT RIGHT. (In before 'I could care less' post) -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:17:00 - [2] OK. Seriously guys. There is a LARGE difference, between "Could" and "Couldn't". When you say "I could care less" you mean EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of "I couldn't care less". That "n't" is a contraction of "not" which is a negation operator. When you "couldn't care less" it means you don't care at all. When you "could care less" it means you care some, or maybe quite a lot, and therefore ... could care less, but don't necessarily. The two are NOT interchangable. (And yes, this _is_ eve related, as it's used extensively in Empryean Age, when the opposite is clearly what is meant from context). GET IT RIGHT. (In before 'I could care less' post) -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:18:00 - [3] I could care less about this thread, but not that much. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:18:00 - [4] I could care less about this thread, but not that much. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:19:00 - [5] Its like when people say "I didn't do nothing". --- Its dead, Jim.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:19:00 - [6] Its like when people say "I didn't do nothing". --- Its dead, Jim.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:20:00 - [7] Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so.
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:20:00 - [8] Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:21:00 - [9] Originally by: Asuka Smith Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. But... but what about logic?! Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Asuka Smith Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. But... but what about logic?! Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Tamia Clant But... but what about logic?! Seriously? San Matari Official forums
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:23:00 - [12] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:23:49 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. But... but what about logic?! The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo.
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Tamia Clant But... but what about logic?! Seriously? San Matari Official forums
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:23:00 - [14] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:23:49 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. But... but what about logic?! The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Asuka Smith The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo. To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Asuka Smith The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo. To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:26:00 - [17] Idiom in English is specifially designed to confuse and enrage the non-native speaker. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis We are Legend	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:26:00 - [18] Idiom in English is specifially designed to confuse and enrage the non-native speaker. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [19] Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Tamia Clant To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. Sure, how about the countless other instances where people do this to language? Begs the question - Is such a patronising crusade actually needed? Or is it serving a purpose other than what it purports? San Matari Official forums
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [21] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo. To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. When I speak English I am speaking English to other people who speak it exclusively. If I were trying to communicate with a Frenchman I would learn French and speak that instead.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [22] "Could care less" could also mean you COULD care less (not at all), but you're saying it in a completely sarcastic manner, since, well, you don't really care much at all anyway. "Couldn't care less" means you definetely have the lowest possible interest level (none). So while one is pretty clear, the other can be interpreted in two different ways, depening on tone of the post. Works much better face-to-face though, or if you have that in writing, use a smiley to express the proper "body language" associated with a sarcastic tone if you mean it that way. So, yeah, you know, I could care less about this But then again, I also could care less about the duckbilled platypuss too _ SUPPORT or CRITICIZE the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Rajere No Trademark The OSS	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [23] Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ******s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
Scagga Laebetrovo Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [24] Originally by: Tamia Clant To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. Sure, how about the countless other instances where people do this to language? Begs the question - Is such a patronising crusade actually needed? Or is it serving a purpose other than what it purports? San Matari Official forums
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: Asuka Smith The logic is that words are a way for a group of people to express themselves and exchange ideas, if I say "Eh you popped my ship but I could care less I have another 4b in the bank, and my pod is loaded with HG snakes and it got away so nuts to you!" And you know just what I meant (Ie. You immediately and subconsciously switched the meanings so as to understand that I meant I could NOT care less). Then I would say the definition has been changed and that is some logic right there yo. To a native english speaker I'm sure that would be the case, but for someone who is learning the language and only knows the basic meaning of "could" and "couldn't", he's gonna have a WTF?! moment there. When I speak English I am speaking English to other people who speak it exclusively. If I were trying to communicate with a Frenchman I would learn French and speak that instead.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:28:00 - [26] "Could care less" could also mean you COULD care less (not at all), but you're saying it in a completely sarcastic manner, since, well, you don't really care much at all anyway. "Couldn't care less" means you definetely have the lowest possible interest level (none). So while one is pretty clear, the other can be interpreted in two different ways, depening on tone of the post. Works much better face-to-face though, or if you have that in writing, use a smiley to express the proper "body language" associated with a sarcastic tone if you mean it that way. So, yeah, you know, I could care less about this But then again, I also could care less about the duckbilled platypuss too _ SUPPORT or CRITICIZE the issue of mineral and moon material balance !
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:31:00 - [27] Originally by: Asuka Smith When I speak English I am speaking English to other people who speak it exclusively. If I were trying to communicate with a Frenchman I would learn French and speak that instead. Okay, but what if the french language has the same kind of issue? Then it's you who's going to be confused because idiots have been switching the meaning of words around. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:31:00 - [28] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:35:46 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:33:53 Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ****s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I think the elitist *s who have never come out of their ivory tower long enough to get their fingers on the pulse of a LIVING, EVOLVING language are the ones on the left myself but honestly I could care less. The fact that EVERY SINGLE person in this thread based solely on the title knew EXACTLY which tired rant they were going to hear indicates to me that the meanings of the two words are in fact intertwined. edit t Tamia: Do you think that Ye Olde Tyme Gentlefolk got as mad as the OP when the winds of change started blowing and it turns out that English is not the same as it was 100 years ago, or even 20 years ago? edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone ***ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Asuka Smith When I speak English I am speaking English to other people who speak it exclusively. If I were trying to communicate with a Frenchman I would learn French and speak that instead. Okay, but what if the french language has the same kind of issue? Then it's you who's going to be confused because idiots have been switching the meaning of words around. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Asuka Smith Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.07.04 18:31:00 - [30] Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:35:46 Edited by: Asuka Smith on 04/07/2008 18:33:53 Originally by: Rajere Edited by: Rajere on 04/07/2008 18:28:06 Quote: Generally a word or expression means whatever the majority of people think it means. If for some reason everyone in the world decided that the meaning of the words kill/love should be switched then they would be. And in this case everyone in the world has decided that in the case of Could/Couldn't they ARE interchangeable, making it so. nope only the ****s have decided this. Then again the majority of the population is on the left side of the bell curve, count yourself as one of them. Same group of people who use the word "literally" wrong. I think the elitist *s who have never come out of their ivory tower long enough to get their fingers on the pulse of a LIVING, EVOLVING language are the ones on the left myself but honestly I could care less. The fact that EVERY SINGLE person in this thread based solely on the title knew EXACTLY which tired rant they were going to hear indicates to me that the meanings of the two words are in fact intertwined. edit t Tamia: Do you think that Ye Olde Tyme Gentlefolk got as mad as the OP when the winds of change started blowing and it turns out that English is not the same as it was 100 years ago, or even 20 years ago? edit t All: I remember when "Ain't" was just entering the popular lexicon, and everyone ***ed and everyone moaned but it turns out those folks at Merriam Webster can tell which way the wind blows and it just so happens that "Ain't" is a word now. Things change. Words, governments, cultures... You are fools to waste your time over something so petty.

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