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Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.08 22:28:00 - [31] Originally by: Ambo Indeed, with a single char trading I've managed a little over 6 bil in a month. If I really pushed it then I rekon I could hit 10 bil but it would probably kill me. I know others who make a little more with (alegedly) a lot less effort but I don't know any one over around 15 bil per month on a regular basis. I'm sure there are some out there who manage it though. In much the same way that me earning 1 bil per month without even playing the game is incomprehensible to many people, others earning 10 bil per month while barely playing is incomprehensible to me. Beyond a certain point it all becomes pretty irrelevant. Way back when ISSO was still around I was making the same ISK per month they were, only I had a lot less ISK then they did at the time. That was my major argument for them doing a crappy job. As a solo pilot doing nothing special I was able to make the same money they did with a lot less starting capital... and they should have had an entire corp (their sales pitch) working to make money. But yeah, I was well over the 10b mark back then... and I have been several times since. Right now I am WAY too lazy, but I still exceed it some months. Each month it is getting easier and easier to exceed it though, as a very small monthly percentage return is actually greater than 10b for me. Unfortunately my monthly profit has dipped below 1% some months, not quite enough to get me to the 10b mark :( But for people with small amounts of money, 5-15b, making 10b a month is very impressive if they are able to do it. I think you are the most efficient money maker on these forums Ambo, doubling your money in your IPO. FastLearner is the next most efficient I believe, he does very well for himself. I'm sure he is over the 10b / month mark if you count all his funds.
Astorothe Aperture Science Industries	Posted - 2008.07.09 05:37:00 - [32] Edited by: Astorothe on 09/07/2008 05:38:01 Originally by: Ambo Beyond a certain point it all becomes pretty irrelevant. I think Ambo has summed up a simple truth here. It comes down to a personal drive and comfort level. For me, and many others it seems, being able to pay for GTC's seems to be some sort of minimum bench mark, and I think it's a good one. It's quite convenient that those who choose to do so, can play the game in a way that allows them to do this - and have fun doing it. Not many MMO's offer this. Going back to what Ambo said, for me the point of irrelevance was paying for my monthly GTC and some pimping of my favourite mission running ships - anything beyond that just seemed a bit of a waste of energy really - and it has been that since I started trading really. I'm really impressed and inspired by some of the stated monthly profits some people are making in this game. It gives me a new benchmark to shoot for. This has actually turned out to be a very open and interesting thread. Eve Corp, Web Design, Gaming News & Music Blog
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 08:51:00 - [33] My NAV grows at least 10b each month, no fluctuations and steadily getting higher. My goal is 30b and then I stop the more isk making, and start more spending. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:28:00 - [34] hummm i'd be more interested to know how many accounts are involved in some cases. i remember proton talking about his horde of alts just for market orders (skilling tycoon o_O), i hear stories of one guy arkonor mining using close to a dozen hulks. and of course the t2 ingredients production- although that can be done across all chars of an account with just a few days skilling, but still needs multiple accounts for a "complete" setup. - putting the gist back into logistics
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Roemy Schneider hummm i'd be more interested to know how many accounts are involved in some cases. i remember proton talking about his horde of alts just for market orders (skilling tycoon o_O), i hear stories of one guy arkonor mining using close to a dozen hulks. and of course the t2 ingredients production- although that can be done across all chars of an account with just a few days skilling, but still needs multiple accounts for a "complete" setup. Indeed, if you need tons of characters to do it then this should be mentioned. As you aren't really making 10b month if it costs you 2-3b just to buy timecards each month for all the chars. You have to subtract the GTC costs for additional chars imo. I personally don't see how people use so many tycoon chars. I'd go insane trying to keep up with that many orders. Granted I have 4 characters with Tycoon 4... but I use less than 300 total orders across all 4 of them currently and even that number has been slipping downward. Anyone with 1000+ active orders has was more time to spend then I ever have.
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:20:00 - [36] I have 4 accounts, one just starting up, doing some market experiments. I pay for 2 accounts with cash, and 2 with GTC. Right now I have 1100 orders out. 3 chars are at Tycoon V and the rest are training for it. And the orders aren't too bad to keep up, I've written some software for it ;) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Confuzer I have 4 accounts, one just starting up, doing some market experiments. I pay for 2 accounts with cash, and 2 with GTC. Right now I have 1100 orders out. 3 chars are at Tycoon V and the rest are training for it. And the orders aren't too bad to keep up, I've written some software for it ;) It's not knowing which orders to modify, etc... I can do that in my head as fast as any software I've seen (as they all require exports and such). I just don't have the patience to sit there and manually click on all those orders and to modify the ones that need it. PITA. 300 is a PITA imo. But then I never spent more than 30 minutes at a time modifying orders, even when doing fairly complex stuff and issuing courier contracts, so I've always been lazy...
Selene D'Celeste Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:27:00 - [38] Lazy profit is the best profit.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Confuzer I have 4 accounts, one just starting up, doing some market experiments. I pay for 2 accounts with cash, and 2 with GTC. Right now I have 1100 orders out. 3 chars are at Tycoon V and the rest are training for it. And the orders aren't too bad to keep up, I've written some software for it ;) It's not knowing which orders to modify, etc... I can do that in my head as fast as any software I've seen (as they all require exports and such). I just don't have the patience to sit there and manually click on all those orders and to modify the ones that need it. PITA. 300 is a PITA imo. But then I never spent more than 30 minutes at a time modifying orders, even when doing fairly complex stuff and issuing courier contracts, so I've always been lazy... I gotta agree, I've scaled my order qty back and now instead focus on attempting to control a single line of items that are all related to each other, or affect each other in some way. T2 mins and reactions mostly. Even with the 80% rare distribution, the remaining 20% have a lot of room for movement. So it's all about massive volume and limiting the number of orders needed. Less headaches
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:58:00 - [40] Edited by: Confuzer on 09/07/2008 17:02:38 I spent max 15 minutes in a row changing or creating orders. Most sell within 3 months. Only the few remaining need updates and those are being reported to me in a short "todo" list. I do need the order export though. I wish they made an api for that too, cus then my time spent would be a fair ammount shorter. btw: I am fairly sure my line of trade is impossible without software guidance. By head? No way. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Arthor Dark Gallente N.A.S.A. Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.07.09 17:05:00 - [41] Edited by: Arthor Dark on 09/07/2008 17:07:29 Originally by: Shadarle It's not knowing which orders to modify, etc... I can do that in my head as fast as any software I've seen (as they all require exports and such). I just don't have the patience to sit there and manually click on all those orders and to modify the ones that need it. PITA. 300 is a PITA imo. But then I never spent more than 30 minutes at a time modifying orders, even when doing fairly complex stuff and issuing courier contracts, so I've always been lazy... So, let's say I have a 100 orders, of which 15 need to be updated and the other 85 are still the highest. Are you saying there is a way to find those 15 orders that need to be updated without going through all 100 orders and doing a 'View Market Details' on each of the 100?
Ambo Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.07.09 17:36:00 - [42] Edited by: Ambo on 09/07/2008 17:37:41 You guys are crazy, I've never had more than about 120 active orders and that was only for a short time while I was experimenting with different items. Generally I would have had 60-80 orders up at a time across 3 regions. Trying to manage 1000+ orders... I don't think I'd ever be doing anything but updating orders in an endless loop! I never even got Tycoon beyond level 3 because I just didn't need it. -------------------------------------- Trader? Investor? Just want to track your finances? Check out EMMA
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 18:01:00 - [43] Edited by: Confuzer on 09/07/2008 18:02:23 Edited by: Confuzer on 09/07/2008 18:02:05 Well, it really isn't that bad. BUT don't go on a holiday to Thailand for 5.5 weeks. Daily or weekly short burst of order updates are no trouble, but to update all orders which end within 45 or so days, damn... (but almost finished though) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.07.09 18:49:00 - [44] Originally by: Arthor Dark Edited by: Arthor Dark on 09/07/2008 17:07:29 Originally by: Shadarle It's not knowing which orders to modify, etc... I can do that in my head as fast as any software I've seen (as they all require exports and such). I just don't have the patience to sit there and manually click on all those orders and to modify the ones that need it. PITA. 300 is a PITA imo. But then I never spent more than 30 minutes at a time modifying orders, even when doing fairly complex stuff and issuing courier contracts, so I've always been lazy... So, let's say I have a 100 orders, of which 15 need to be updated and the other 85 are still the highest. Are you saying there is a way to find those 15 orders that need to be updated without going through all 100 orders and doing a 'View Market Details' on each of the 100? No, I'm not saying that. I said the exact opposite, which is my argument for not having so many orders, lol. Originally by: Confuzer Edited by: Confuzer on 09/07/2008 17:02:38 I spent max 15 minutes in a row changing or creating orders. Most sell within 3 months. Only the few remaining need updates and those are being reported to me in a short "todo" list. I do need the order export though. I wish they made an api for that too, cus then my time spent would be a fair ammount shorter. btw: I am fairly sure my line of trade is impossible without software guidance. By head? No way. Well that's a bit diff if you just leave most of your orders up there for a long period. I used to update every order I had twice daily. You can see why I didn't want 1000+ orders, heh.
Confuzer Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 20:58:00 - [45] Yeah like the other guy with 1300 orders... if you get to a certain amount, you cannot be arsed anymore. My new char is all about doing this more often, but then the margin amounts are alot higher :) I am very annoyed with the laggy response of the order screen also. When I change one order, it refreshes, then I change my second, everything stalls, I manage to click my 3rd order, try the rightclick menu and boom, it refreshes and the menu doesn't work. Try this for 1000 orders... ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Femintaki Gallente Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.07.11 16:57:00 - [46] I don't make any isk - I am poor ... Quote: Do or do not - there is no try! Quote: Seller of 200 Tech 2 products
Taladorn Caldari Tech 1 Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.07.12 06:23:00 - [47] Originally by: Femintaki I don't make any isk - I am poor ... Confirmed and ditto. Holder of the sacred Tech 2 Dual Charisma Implants
Markizah	Posted - 2008.07.12 13:01:00 - [48] i am losing ISK at the rate of like a bil a month for just the subscription
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2008.07.12 20:04:00 - [49] I'm training the most lucrative job in eve, and managing it with high profits of about 1-2 million per month ^^
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.12 20:21:00 - [50] Nothing - I serve the community. My personal wealth is limited and is decreasing by the day.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.07.12 21:10:00 - [51] Originally by: Selene D'Celeste Lazy profit is the best profit. /agree Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Princess Kyky Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.07.12 23:18:00 - [52] Edited by: Princess Kyky on 12/07/2008 23:22:01 Originally by: Zanphear Edited by: Zanphear on 07/07/2008 21:58:35 I have not proven this, but at the current rate of aproximitly 1 billion a day on avrage Id say about 30 billion a month :) Edit: Oh wait I just fell for it, oh god now I feel stupit ! XD Fukin dypo moon ***** I make about 30mill a day, enough to cover Time cards etc ------
McRuder Gallente Quality Dogfood	Posted - 2008.07.13 17:56:00 - [53] Quote: Just trying to gauge what some individual upper end income is like for players here. How much isk per month do you make on average? There are 3 stages: 1) You grind missions or mine to make isk for skill books. Getting 100 million isk is a major achievement(80% of eve players). 2) Isk comes relatively easily, you do not work too hard at it, you can afford most things you want. Wallet ranges between 1bn and 25bn (very few up to 100bn). 3) You do not make isk, you lose it. You have enough to buy anything you want, and you spend your game time in leisurely pursuits like PvP. Losing Tech2 ships is a non-concern to score a few kills and be in a fun fight. Wallet 250bn+ (less than 1%). GTC is currently 2.4bn per char per year. So if you are in group 2 or 3 you can most likely play till the end of Eve on multiple accounts, lose a lot of ships, and have fun. If you use CCP's economic reports the average individual income is around 40m isk per day. Also in general people on these forums are not as rich as they pretend to be.
HawkBlade Minmatar Starlancers	Posted - 2008.07.13 19:03:00 - [54] Originally by: McRuder Also in general people on these forums are not as rich as they pretend to be. I know I resemble this statement.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.07.14 11:29:00 - [55] Originally by: cosmoray Anyone who managed to get a good T2 BPO ISk printing machine early on. My T2 BPO isn't printing machine .. stupid worthless T2 modules... BUFF ECM I SAY! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2008.07.15 02:59:00 - [56] or t2 target painters -.- - putting the gist back into logistics
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.07.15 07:22:00 - [57] I once caught a space fish that was this big. /me holds his hands out apart from one another Quote: Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
Kwint Sommer Caldari Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.07.15 07:27:00 - [58] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I once caught a space fish that was this big. /me holds his hands out apart from one another I can only assume that by "caught" you meant sucked, "fish" you meant phallus and "space" was an allusion to how dark it was. I'm an investor in your corp, that gives me the right to question your posts. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Mama Hauler Minmatar coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.07.15 08:15:00 - [59] i'm making about 1bil profit per month from my little pos network and the other isk comes from the hard work.. ratting, mining etc. I tried to do some market stuff but I failed horibly :(
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2008.07.15 09:11:00 - [60] Originally by: Astorothe Originally by: HawkBlade Originally by: McRuder Also in general people on these forums are not as rich as they pretend to be. I know I resemble this statement. My wallet is bigger than yours! Boys will be boys. Women like to gossip and chat, men like to compare sizes of just about everything. Wealth comes and goes very quickly in Eve. Well, it's more a case of this, as for how a group of people find "ranks". Take 2 boys and give them a pen each. How will they fight it out? Well, they could try and see who can throw the pen the highest. Boy 1: "Look, I can throw it this high". Boy 2: "Ohh yeah? I can throw it this higher than you". Boy 1: "Ha! I can throw it even higher" Boy 2: "But I can throw it higher too!" Eventually whomever reaches god, wins. But take the same situation with 2 girls: Girl 1: "Look, I can throw it into the sky" Girl 2: "Oh yeah? I can too!" This thread is a classic example of how boys make a social hierachy.

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