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Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:38:00 -
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I just cannot believe the number of spelling errors on these forums, and usually from people claiming to have bigwig jobs and/or university educations. The internet is all text, all professional sites present their text with proper spelling.. it's not hard at all. Yes this is a pointless post as far as being eve-related material but ****.... anyone else seen that movie Idiocracy? I'm worried about you kids these days.
P.S. I like beer
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Matthew Cooper
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:40:00 -
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Welcome to the Internet. Please enjoy your stay.
 Originally by: Tarminic
Stop posting with your alt Kieron. 
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Noskill McCheese
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:46:00 -
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In before u r rediculos
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
Apocalypse Ponies
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:57:00 -
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The noose is thataway --->>>
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Jennai
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:00:00 -
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you'd be amazed how many university students (even at top-tier schools) completely fail at spelling if they're trying to use something that doesn't have a built-in spellcheck.
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Chzandri
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:11:00 -
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dyslexia and intelligence levels are not linked and dyslexics can get all kinds of advanced degrees no problems just that they have to put more time and effort into reading/writing ... with eve being a game no one really bothers about how they type and so shouldn't you
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d3vo
The Space BorderLine
Diabolic Paradox
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:12:00 -
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sa wha? can u repeat tat agin?
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Johnny Darkseid
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:16:00 -
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OP should quit picking on Jenny Spitfire. I mean after so many account transfers something had to get lost in the process. ;D
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syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.07.09 03:32:00 -
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"Big wigs" have underlings to do thier work for them.
That and everyone has or has access to spell check.
If a spell check was added to the forums, the quality of the spelling would go up.
Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2008.07.09 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Kolatha on 09/07/2008 04:26:51
Originally by: Chzandri
dyslexia and intelligence levels are not linked and dyslexics can get all kinds of advanced degrees no problems just that they have to put more time and effort into reading/writing ... with eve being a game no one really bothers about how they type and so shouldn't you
Gonna have to put on a flame proof suit for this response.
In game, where you don't get a chance to go back and correct your spelling and where every moment counts then it's true, you shouldn't care too much about spelling and grammar.
Out of the game however there is no real excuse if English is your first language. On the forums you have plenty of time to sit back, relax and check your spelling and grammar before hitting that submit button. A few minor errors in rarely used words and loose and casual acknowledgement of grammar is quite acceptable. What isn't really acceptable is poor spelling or using the wrong word for common words such as "there", "they're" and "their" or "lose" and "loose", or abuse of punctiation and capitalisation. These are mistakes that a 12 year old with a 6th grade education should be able to avoid without thought.
Using the wrong word can alter the context and meaning of a sentence sufficiently that it requires extra work to parse and comprehend what the author is actually trying to say and this is where many people find irritation. For those who claim it doesn't slow them down I would argue that if that is the case then your acdtual reading speed is nowhere near what you seem to think it is.
If dyslexia, or Aspergers or any of the other excuses people use for bad spelling and grammar were truly as common as those who claim to have these problems make out then it would be a serious epidemic that would have the medical community in a panic.
Bad spelling and grammar, at least by native English speakers, on online forums is primarily a result of laziness and impatience.
For those who are not native speakers and those who genuinely have some learning disability then you are forgiven for any problems you have with the English language.
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.07.09 04:31:00 -
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First: I have people who edit things for me, as spelling isn't my thing nor is english or writing.
Second: I use Google toolbar with spell check in out of game/posting.
Here is link: http://toolbar.google.com/T4/index_pack_xp.html
Any more questions?
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Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:20:00 -
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As a holder of a BA in English -- which is, if we're honest, essentially a license to butcher the language at will precisely because I know better -- I'm just going to go ahead and take this opportunity to weigh in and state that try as I might to give a **** I'm frankly having a tough time doing it.
Giving a **** that is. <------- sennance fragmant I AM TEH NIGHT RIDAR!!!!!111 
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:23:00 -
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firefox ftw.
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Sir Scorpion
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:30:00 -
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You do know that for some people English is not their first language, for some its 3rd, like me Arabic is my first language,
That brings us to a point that might interest you; gulf Arabic speakers can speak English very well with almost any accent. However we canĘt spell at all, due to the conflict of pronunciation and spelling.
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Charney deGeoff
Caldari
New Tibet
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Posted - 2008.07.09 05:33:00 -
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This thread needs Jenny reply
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Tamoko
Damage Unlimited Inc
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.09 06:05:00 -
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I'm generally pretty forgiving about spelling; especially since so many Eve subscribers aren't native English speakers. People that can't figure out the difference between "there", "they're", "their" do irritate me more than it probably should, though. I happen to know one sorry individual in Eve whom has a penchant for using all three of them incorrectly in the same sentence. I regret that a large portion of non-native English speakers are better spellers than many native speakers. The literacy rate really appears to be on a downhill curve... at least in the North American demographic.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
Noctis Fleet Technologies
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Posted - 2008.07.09 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kyra Felann on 09/07/2008 07:19:36
I agree, but it's not just poor spelling--much of the grammar is atrocious, too. So many people can't seem to tell the difference between "its" and "it's", for instance.
That said, the overall level of literacy on these forums is higher than most game forums.
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I'm generally pretty forgiving about spelling; especially since so many Eve subscribers aren't native English speakers. People that can't figure out the difference between "there", "they're", "their" do irritate me more than it probably should, though. I happen to know one sorry individual in Eve whom has a penchant for using all three of them incorrectly in the same sentence. I regret that a large portion of non-native English speakers are better spellers than many native speakers. The literacy rate really appears to be on a downhill curve... at least in the North American demographic.
Yes, I know what you mean. I have no problem with non-native speakers who have problems with spelling or grammar, but the level of literacy among native-speaker kids these days is really pathetic. Then when you point out that they have the literacy level of an 8 year old, they get mad and defend their ignorance, saying things like, "u no wut i meen! shut up ***! i dun caer abowt speling and grammer". The point is they look like uneducated imbeciles, not whether I can figure out what they're trying to say or not. I fear for our future if things don't improve.
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Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.07.09 07:17:00 -
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What bothers me the most is "ur".
Ur is a place name, not a word that many seem to think is a suitable contraction of your, or in some rare lobotomised cases a contraction of you're 
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.07.09 07:29:00 -
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To the OP,
Your spelling might be okay, but your knowledge of grammatical conventions leaves much to be desired. But somehow still, I find myself drawn to you.
Thanks in advance for whatever you'll do next,
Franga
Originally by: Rachel Vend
... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Krets
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Posted - 2008.07.09 07:32:00 -
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Heh, I thought I was the only one getting annoyed by bad spelling. Glad to see English speaking folks have the same worries as I do, be it in the Dutch speaking sphere of influence. I think grammar and spelling are on a downhill curve, not only in the English speaking parts of the world :=)
/topic signed
By the way: who is Jenny?
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Red Light Navy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 07:45:00 -
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It appears to be so that the OP does'nt simply understand the original reason for why language was created. It's made to communicate with other individuals and to store information.
As long as you understood what the text when you read that someone else s post on the forums it's fine for it to have grammatical or spelling errors. It does'nt matter because you understood it anyways.
Only time it needs to be correct is on whatever formal stuff that needs to be written. For example a job application or so.
tl,dr - OP is an ******.
But it seems to be an alt so I guess it's just forum trolling.
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There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
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Oftherocks
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Krets
By the way: who is Jenny?
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Elysarian
Minmatar
dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
It appears to be so that the OP does'nt simply understand the original reason for why language was created. It's made to communicate with other individuals and to store information.
As long as you understood what the text when you read that someone else s post on the forums it's fine for it to have grammatical or spelling errors. It does'nt matter because you understood it anyways.
Only time it needs to be correct is on whatever formal stuff that needs to be written. For example a job application or so.
tl,dr - OP is an ******.
But it seems to be an alt so I guess it's just forum trolling.
Doesn't stop bad grammar, bad spelling etc being annoying as hell to many of us though does it?
What annoys me more than anything is deliberate bad spelling because the person thinks it makes them look "cool" or worse still "leet".
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: MenanceWhite
It appears to be so that the OP does'nt simply understand the original reason for why language was created. It's made to communicate with other individuals and to store information.
Classic excuse is classic.
If you can't handle your primary language properly, without real reasons such as learning difficulties, you almost certainly have nothing worth saying anyway.
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Ralara
Caldari
Vivicide
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha
or abuse of punctiation
That'd be 'punctuation'.
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acdtual reading speed
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If dyslexia, or Aspergers or any of the other excuses people use for bad spelling and grammar were truly as common as those who claim to have these problems make out then it would be a serious epidemic that would have the medical community in a panic.
It couldn't be an epidemic as it's not contagious.
For someone who professes to have almost perfect grammar and English language skills, you seem to make an awful lot of mistakes in your grammar. You own sentence structure could use a lot of work; perhaps you should brush up yourself, before having a go at others.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.09 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 09/07/2008 09:47:46
Originally by: Noskill McCheese
I just cannot believe the number of spelling errors on these forums, and usually from people claiming to have bigwig jobs and/or university educations. The internet is all text, all professional sites present their text with proper spelling.. it's not hard at all. Yes this is a pointless post as far as being eve-related material but ****.... anyone else seen that movie Idiocracy? I'm worried about you kids these days.
P.S. I like beer
in my case i can say my first language is not English.
i have always been bad at spelling (i think i even type or write worse in my mother language (because its 10 x more complicated than English :P))
some people sometimes miss letters in words when wringing or typing. i can quite often miss whole words in sentences... especially when i need to type or write really fast... so i don't have time to reread what i wrote.
Originally by: Johnny Darkseid
OP should quit picking on Jenny Spitfire. I mean after so many account transfers something had to get lost in the process. ;D
lmao... best quote :P
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Xercies Ravere
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Posted - 2008.07.09 10:56:00 -
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I laughed because his posts had spelling mistakes, and grammatical errors.
But yeah, Englishis my first language and i am seriously bad at spelling and grammar, so what you going to do spew hate at me. Got to my house and beat me up because i can't spell some words, and anyway Americans spell words wrong in the first place.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 09/07/2008 13:30:10
Edited by: Andrue on 09/07/2008 13:26:36
Both the US and UK have previously toyed with the idea that 'Presentation is second to content' and taught people that way. I'm pretty sure the UK only dabbled with it for a few years and went back to the more traditional approach. I don't know about the US.
My view is that-wrongly or rightly-people judge others on outward appearences first. Wringing your hands over it and saying it's wrong doesn't make any difference.
If you visit a customer dressed like a reject from the local skidrow you will fail to get their business and might even fail to get past reception. Similarly if you send someone a document that is badly spelt and poorly laid out the reader might give up before the end of the first paragraph.
Spelling does affect the way readers view the content - that is irrefutable. Whether it matters when writing pointless drivel on a message board for a computer game is another matter 
I should add that good spelling and grammar can also be used to disguise complete and utter drivel. This is why politicians tend to be good at spelling
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DiaBlo UK
Precision Engineering
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese
I just cannot believe the number of spelling errors on these forums, and usually from people claiming to have bigwig jobs and/or university educations. The internet is all text, all professional sites present their text with proper spelling..(Extra full stop) i(Needs to be a capital letter)t's not hard at all. Yes this is a pointless post as far as being eve-related material but ****.... anyone else seen that movie Idiocracy? I'm worried about you kids these days.
P.S. I like beer
9/10
Could do better.
Originally by: CCP Navigator
Pretty sure someone is selling tinfoil hats. You should buy one 
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Dantes Revenge
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:12:00 -
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Most of the time, players posting here are writing off the top of their heads and writing things jus as dey wuld say em. Other times, it's people typign ta afsater spedds thatn thyer branis can cope wthi.
Either way, there's not much point in nitpicking about spelling on public forums. Most people don't give a rats about it as long as the general message comes across.
Jokes about Jenny Spitfire aside, it's a known fact that those who do not speak English as their first language are generally better at speaking and writing it. This comes from them learning "Queens English" which is the formal and correct language rather than the regional dialects that most of us speak and write. Words like "aint" instead of "isn't" are common in regional dialects so get over it, nobody is going to write proper English iffen dey don' talk it.
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:13:00 -
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I'd say the real irony would be if Jenny Spitfire posts in this thread BUT writes it with 0 mistakes.
That would be funny.
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Arvald
Caldari
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:14:00 -
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hukd on foniks werkd fer meh
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
Tamoko
Damage Unlimited Inc
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kyra Felann
Yes, I know what you mean. I have no problem with non-native speakers who have problems with spelling or grammar, but the level of literacy among native-speaker kids these days is really pathetic. Then when you point out that they have the literacy level of an 8 year old, they get mad and defend their ignorance, saying things like, "u no wut i meen! shut up ***! i dun caer abowt speling and grammer". The point is they look like uneducated imbeciles, not whether I can figure out what they're trying to say or not. I fear for our future if things don't improve.
That might be common in Guildwars or Warcraft, but I don't really get that behaviour in EVE. The (rare) time that I do point out someone's blatant abuse of the English language, they are typically very aware of it and just plain don't care. In fact, I've had people purposely interchange "they're" with "there" just to irritate me.
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Lui Kai
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter
firefox ftw.
This.
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Syniztur
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Noskill McCheese
I just cannot believe the number of spelling errors on these forums, and usually from people claiming to have bigwig jobs and/or university educations. The internet is all text, all professional sites present their text with proper spelling.. it's not hard at all. Yes this is a pointless post as far as being eve-related material but ****.... anyone else seen that movie Idiocracy? I'm worried about you kids these days.
P.S. I like beer
The best part about this? Most internet browsers have built in spell checks. Like right now, as I'm typing this on this forum, if I misspell something, it is automatically highlighted in red... or underlined.
So yes... you are correct. It is amazing at how many people become more and more stupid as the days pass.
That is because humans are stupid.
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Lui Kai
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:31:00 -
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Honestly, even if you don't want to use a browser based spell check, there are other options.
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:41:00 -
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Spelling bothers me far less than when people start talking and don't understand exactly how to end a sentence they just keep trying to make a point but they never stop to take a breath and one wonders how exactly these people communicate in real life because truth be told phonetic spelling can get the point across but improper punctuation can make some nigh unreadable.
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