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Garek Law Caldari Tacos Revolution	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:11:00 - [1] We all know that players that afk/sit in safe spots can be found by by probes. Ships that have cloaking devices however can not. My proposal is that cloaking devices begin to fail after heavy use. The larger the ship the higher the drain on the device. After some time using the cloak the ship can be picked up by probes. Further use results in the cloak shutting off. The ships thats using the cloak can dock, shut the cloak of for a short time or use a jump gate to discharge cloaking device's built up energy. 1. All ships are effected by this when using a cloaking module. 2. The Grade of cloak effects Time under cloak before effects take hold. 3. Covert Type ships(Covert-ops, stealth bomber, Recons, Blackops) can stay cloaked for longer. I figure this way, covert ops class ships can happily do what there ment to do. And if pll want to sit cloaked and go afk to distrupt what pll normally do in system they will have put more effort into it.
Pink Rabid	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:19:00 - [2] I have shown support myself for ideas that make AFK playing more difficult, but the thread is usually taken over by those that will flame without any true argument why AFK playing should continue to be supported. I think your idea could be overly complicated though - simply making a character disconnect after 15 minutes of non activity (lack of interaction with the interface) would be sufficient, and in line with other games. It would also prevent AFK docking. Alternatively AFK cloaking could be prevented by making the module require manual reactivation after a period of time - as long as the player is at the PC it would not reveal them. I don't think people should be able to play EVE without being sat at their PC, but from experience this thread will be taken over by those who think otherwise but can't quite manage a reasonable argument in their favour
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:21:00 - [3] Edited by: Novemb3r on 09/07/2008 10:22:42 I don't get it. They are AFK. By the very nature of that fact they can't do anything to you so why do you care? Originally by: Pink Rabid I don't think people should be able to play EVE without being sat at their PC, but from experience this thread will be taken over by those who think otherwise but can't quite manage a reasonable argument in their favour They aren't playing. They are AFK. If they were at thier computer playing they wouldn't be AFK. It just makes no sense to me. -
Zinras Caldari Order of draugr	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Pink Rabid I have shown support myself for ideas that make AFK playing more difficult, but the thread is usually taken over by those that will flame without any true argument why AFK playing should continue to be supported. I think your idea could be overly complicated though - simply making a character disconnect after 15 minutes of non activity (lack of interaction with the interface) would be sufficient, and in line with other games. It would also prevent AFK docking. Alternatively AFK cloaking could be prevented by making the module require manual reactivation after a period of time - as long as the player is at the PC it would not reveal them. I don't think people should be able to play EVE without being sat at their PC, but from experience this thread will be taken over by those who think otherwise but can't quite manage a reasonable argument in their favour Why is being AFK a problem? They're not hurting anyone since they can't press F1-F8 and you can't seriously be so paranoid that if there's someone in a lowsec/0.0 system you can't immediately locate, you won't go through the system? Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal CCP's best friend
Khlitouris RegusII	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Novemb3r Edited by: Novemb3r on 09/07/2008 10:22:42 I don't get it. They are AFK. By the very nature of that fact they can't do anything to you so why do you care? Originally by: Pink Rabid I don't think people should be able to play EVE without being sat at their PC, but from experience this thread will be taken over by those who think otherwise but can't quite manage a reasonable argument in their favour They aren't playing. They are AFK. If they were at thier computer playing they wouldn't be AFK. It just makes no sense to me. Some people just like to dock and hide at the merest sign of a neut/hostile then whine on the forums about it.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:37:00 - [6] The only change I would make to clocking devices, would be to get rid of the so-called Daylight Savings. It's annoying having to change the clock every 6 months
kaplowwwwwwwwwwwww	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:37:00 - [7] Cus they want the kills. they are failing to see all the trouble a alteration to cloaking would cause. For a start every 1 would put more pos up so they ss there when hunting and afk.
Dantes Revenge	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:39:00 - [8] Just another cloak whine. When you're cloaked to prevent yourself being targetted by hostiles and your cloak begins to fail, revealing you to your enemy, maybe you'll think back at how stupid this idea really was. As others have said, it the player is AFK, what is the problem whether he's cloaked, docked or just w***ing over the latest copy of Hustler. They are not playing eve so you can just ignore them. I fail to understand why, if someone has to cloak in a system with no stations to go take a dump, you want his ship to become visible or scannable so you can blow it up. Is that the only way you can get kills?
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:40:00 - [9] Originally by: CrayC The only change I would make to clocking devices, would be to get rid of the so-called Daylight Savings. It's annoying having to change the clock every 6 months While we're at it, can we change the length of a day to 30 hours? 24 is, by far, inadequate. Originally by: Roxanna Kell You are insane.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Victor Valka While we're at it, can we change the length of a day to 30 hours? 24 is, by far, inadequate. If we keep working hours to the same, then by all means YES YES YES!!! 1. I can sleep more. 2. I can play EVE more. 3. I can sleep more!!!
Talon Aidian Skill Level Six	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:47:00 - [11] The problem with your proposal is that is would cripple covert ships. These ships (Cov Ops, Recon, ect) are specifically designed for long-duration (months or even years) covert operations away from a station or base. Your proposal would force these ships out of cloak wether they were afk pilots or not. Therefore, your proposal is not valid, as it does not have anything to do with your stated arguement (AFK cloakers), but instead is directed at killing -all- cloaked ships regardless of pilot status or intended ship mission. In addition, if your proposal were to be implemented, I could see the same 'degradation effect' being implemented for other 'troublesome' tech, such as nano, MWDs, EW, even Capitol Ship running time (fuel limits for all ships, perhaps).
Pink Rabid	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:52:00 - [12] Edited by: Pink Rabid on 09/07/2008 10:54:23 Originally by: Novemb3r I don't get it. They are AFK. By the very nature of that fact they can't do anything to you so why do you care? They aren't playing. They are AFK. If they were at their computer playing they wouldn't be AFK. It just makes no sense to me. You have no way to know whether they are AFK or not, and so must presume they are not AFK and allocate the necessary resources to defend whatever it is you are doing as if they were not AFK. Don't get me wrong, this isn't a massive problem in most cases and I'm not whining, merely supporting an idea. Oh by the way - I'm training cov ops and I don't want to see them crippled in any way. But I don't intend to sit in enemy systems for hours at a time whilst AFK either.
Lykah Storm Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.07.09 10:53:00 - [13] Originally by: Garek Law We all know that players that afk/sit in safe spots can be found by by probes. Ships that have cloaking devices however can not. My proposal is that cloaking devices begin to fail after heavy use. The larger the ship the higher the drain on the device. After some time using the cloak the ship can be picked up by probes. Further use results in the cloak shutting off. The ships thats using the cloak can dock, shut the cloak of for a short time or use a jump gate to discharge cloaking device's built up energy. 1. All ships are effected by this when using a cloaking module. 2. The Grade of cloak effects Time under cloak before effects take hold. 3. Covert Type ships(Covert-ops, stealth bomber, Recons, Blackops) can stay cloaked for longer. I figure this way, covert ops class ships can happily do what there ment to do. And if pll want to sit cloaked and go afk to distrupt what pll normally do in system they will have put more effort into it. Oh now I see. You found a ratter and he warped to safespot and cloaked. Now youre whining in forums
Arous Drephius Alpha Research Group	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:02:00 - [14] Edited by: Arous Drephius on 09/07/2008 11:02:27 Clocking devices eh? Where might I be able to get one of them?
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:10:00 - [15] Hmm. So, they're AFK. What are they going to do again? Record your local chat? Take pictures of the stars as they rotate in their diurnal rhythms? Cloaking devices already have plenty of drawbacks, they don't need any more. Stop relying on local as your only intel tool, stop panicking when there's one very boring person sat permanently in there, and do something more interesting. A simple 'one red in System X' 'yeah, he's been there for ages, don't worry about him' will do. Besides, if you get changes to AFK cloakers actually into the game, people will continue to exploit your reliance on poor intel systems. AFK cloakers no longer working? Lets try AFK interceptors! Set course for nearest star, maximum speed, MWD on! Try probing that down in time to catch something going 6-9 km/s. Originally by: kaplowwwwwwwwwwwww ... So it's your fault this thread is so far over to the right ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
Arana Tellen Gallente Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:13:00 - [16] You clock into eve? --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:13:00 - [17] Basically the OP wants to be able to kill ships whose only recourse when faced with his attack is to run and hide. That they hinder both their setup and their combat potential to add this ability to hide is not enough. That they are stuck in one spot unable to even move while hiding is not enough. No, it must also fail and leave the user defenceless from time to time. And why? Because these defenceless immobile ships, whose pilots are AFK anyway, are such a big threat. On top of this, even Covert Ops Cloaks should be nerfed, for no particular reason. - DesuSigs
Arous Drephius Alpha Research Group	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:15:00 - [18] Originally by: Crumplecorn On top of this, even Covert Ops Cloaks should be nerfed, for no particular reason. No, the OP want's Covert Ops Clocks to be nerfed. Damn those stealthy timepieces!
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:20:00 - [19] The most annoying issue, is when people afk cloak in certain cosmos anomalies in order to prevent it from despawning and to prevent others from completing it. This way, there's certain farmable ones where they farm -> afkcloak break -> repeat. Without other people having any chance of getting it. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Xano Heroma	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:26:00 - [20] oh noo... another whiner ! this is not the ship you are looking for ! it can move about it bussness ! run along ! (hey might aswell give it a try )
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:31:00 - [21] Originally by: Arous Drephius Edited by: Arous Drephius on 09/07/2008 11:27:13 Originally by: Crumplecorn On top of this, even Covert Ops Cloaks should be nerfed, for no particular reason. No, the OP wants Covert Ops Clocks to be nerfed. Damn those stealthy timepieces! I couldn't even be bothered with that, the misspelling was just the icing on the cake. - DesuSigs
Pink Rabid	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:34:00 - [22] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Besides, if you get changes to AFK cloakers actually into the game, people will continue to exploit your reliance on poor intel systems. AFK cloakers no longer working? Lets try AFK interceptors! Set course for nearest star, maximum speed, MWD on! Try probing that down in time to catch something going 6-9 km/s. Fair point.
Odre Echee Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Pink Rabid Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Besides, if you get changes to AFK cloakers actually into the game, people will continue to exploit your reliance on poor intel systems. AFK cloakers no longer working? Lets try AFK interceptors! Set course for nearest star, maximum speed, MWD on! Try probing that down in time to catch something going 6-9 km/s. Fair point. Hurrah, we probed it down! No, wait, it's already 100km off! MAN THE HARPOONS!
Voodoo Mistross SPORADIC MOVEMENT The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:51:00 - [24] Originally by: Garek Law go afk to distrupt what pll normally do in system they will have put more effort into it. How does an AFK player disrupt your play? This doesn't even make sense.....oh wait a minute maybe your a carebear and worry that said AFK player is a Piewat about to pop you? Do you smell that?.....thats the smell of a fearful carebear in his soiled pod
Tellenta Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.07.09 11:54:00 - [25] Originally by: Arana Tellen You clock into eve? I usually fit mine in the lower left corner though it only shows tea time so its no good really. Lower right if in windowed mode and much more accurate.
Alexios Komnenos Minmatar Byzantine Holding Corporation	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Garek Law We all know that players that afk/sit in safe spots can be found by by probes. Ships that have cloaking devices however can not. My proposal is that cloaking devices begin to fail after heavy use. The larger the ship the higher the drain on the device. After some time using the cloak the ship can be picked up by probes. Further use results in the cloak shutting off. The ships thats using the cloak can dock, shut the cloak of for a short time or use a jump gate to discharge cloaking device's built up energy. 1. All ships are effected by this when using a cloaking module. 2. The Grade of cloak effects Time under cloak before effects take hold. 3. Covert Type ships(Covert-ops, stealth bomber, Recons, Blackops) can stay cloaked for longer. I figure this way, covert ops class ships can happily do what there ment to do. And if pll want to sit cloaked and go afk to distrupt what pll normally do in system they will have put more effort into it. Good concept, except that I think that purpose built cloaking ships (covert ops/bombers/recons/black ops) should remain as they are, since they were designed for use with cloaks. This is a solution that really isn't a nerf, it just prevents mindless AFK play, and using ships never designed for cloaks to do it with. All you would have to do to prevent the side effects would be to decloak now and then and move around...
Xano Heroma	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:01:00 - [27] Originally by: Tellenta Originally by: Arana Tellen You clock into eve? I usually fit mine in the lower left corner though it only shows tea time so its no good really. Lower right if in windowed mode and much more accurate. mine's broken it show wrong time ! where can I buy a new one ?? muhahahahahaaaaaa
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:04:00 - [28] Originally by: Pink Rabid I have shown support myself for ideas that make AFK playing more difficult, but the thread is usually taken over by those that will flame without any true argument why AFK playing should continue to be supported. I think your idea could be overly complicated though - simply making a character disconnect after 15 minutes of non activity (lack of interaction with the interface) would be sufficient, and in line with other games. It would also prevent AFK docking. Alternatively AFK cloaking could be prevented by making the module require manual reactivation after a period of time - as long as the player is at the PC it would not reveal them. I don't think people should be able to play EVE without being sat at their PC, but from experience this thread will be taken over by those who think otherwise but can't quite manage a reasonable argument in their favour Problem is such changes would affect people that are perfectly positioned at their PC, using their cloak to hide from you. So you're nerfing one persons survivability to get at another person that isn't even actively playing. I smell spin on this one.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.09 12:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Alexios Komnenos This is a solution that really isn't a nerf, it just prevents mindless AFK play, So what you're basically saying is that it's a nerf which achieves nothing. - DesuSigs
Worick Dragon Clan Guardian Federation	Posted - 2008.07.09 13:41:00 - [30] Originally by: Odre Echee Originally by: Astria Tiphareth ...Lets try AFK interceptors! Set course for nearest star, maximum speed, MWD on! Try probing that down in time to catch something going 6-9 km/s. Hurrah, we probed it down! No, wait, it's already 100km off! But there will be a faster ceptor in System. So there is a possible chance to take out the AFK-ceptor. I would prefer that method ;)

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