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Fangedterror Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:02:00 - [1] Yes yes yes, another nano related whine. and no i dont care what you think because im at work, and im really bored. Now that thats out of the way... First off i would like to say that Nanos SHOULD NOT BE NERFED. Nano is a great game style to play, fast but fraglie. The problem occures when No one can catch you unless they have a hugan or that other goofy minmatar ship. And lets be honest, not every one has access to one. thus making people whine. Sooo.... Make a solution that is available to every race and every ship with a drone bay. Faster webber drones.... Yes we do have webber drones already but they are in the form of heavy donres which makes them SLOWWWWWW you can not possibly chatch anythign moving faster then 1000m/s Give us Light webber drones that can do 5-7k (base) they are easy to kill, and only web the target down by 60 or so percent. This makes the pilot have to scrafice dps for this webber drones. and still makes Nanos a vibal way to play the game. LET THE FLAMAGE BEGIN!!! Need some Help with EVE? -Guides -Ship Setups -People Singing for their ships -Eve Time Cards -and MORE!!!! www.eve-onlineguides.com
Slanty McGarglefist	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:03:00 - [2] I want Doomsday Drones. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Wrangler No Doh!
Plumpy McPudding	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:04:00 - [3] Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist I want Doomsday Drones. I want a pony! __________________________ Fear me for I have an insatiable appetite! Proprietor and inventor of Chocolate Chip Chocolate Donut flavored Ice Cream.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:04:00 - [4] Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist I want Doomsday Drones. I want a pony! I want a firetruck! Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Leviathan9 Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Leviathan9 on 09/07/2008 14:05:06 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 09/07/2008 14:04:56 Theres light and med neut drones. Maybe you should use those instead hehe. ----------------------------
MacGrowler III Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:06:00 - [6] You're probably gonna hate this comment but here goes ..... Thats the best suggestion I've heard so far !!
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:08:00 - [7] Or just fit drone nav computers. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:10:00 - [8] For a more serious reply, I actually like the concept. Drones can be used by any race's ship, making it a much more general counter than the Huginn/Rapier. (yes there are others, but that is the best one if you actually want to kill the nano) And the fact that drones can be destroyed still gives a chance for the nanoship to escape the megablob. Well, if you send 50 drones at him it's not going to matter, but I think you get the point. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Fangedterror Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:10:00 - [9] Originally by: MenanceWhite Or just fit drone nav computers. Yes you can just fit done nav computers...Ive done this. Filled all my domis med slots with em (thats 5 mid slots). you can only get the web drones going 2.4 Km/S that is not nearly fast enough. thats why changes have to be made. Need some Help with EVE? -Guides -Ship Setups -People Singing for their ships -Eve Time Cards -and MORE!!!! www.eve-onlineguides.com
MenanceWhite Amarr Red Light Navy	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:14:00 - [10] How sad, how fast could warrior IIs go with 3 nav computers? Was'nt it around 8k or so I heard. --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur
Haurian Zealot	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:15:00 - [11] Sure, why not. Doesn't seem too bad an idea. But don't make them faster than Warrior II's, maybe the speed of Acolyte IIs or Hornet IIs. Also, make it something like 40-60% reduction for a full flight of 5 drones, so that they give you at least some chance to catch nanoed ships without making them a I-WIN button for anti-nanos. Maybe even 30% reduction at the outside.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:17:00 - [12] Originally by: MenanceWhite How sad, how fast could warrior IIs go with 3 nav computers? Was'nt it around 8k or so I heard. Yeah they can go quite fast, but you'll need an army of them to kill the nanoship fast enough, or they'll just move out of scramble range (assuming they're scrambled) and warp off. Web drones, on the other hand, only need to slow it down for long enough for the cavalry to arrive. Looking for queue-free research slots? Click here!
Absaroke	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:18:00 - [13] Originally by: MacGrowler III You're probably gonna hate this comment but here goes ..... Thats the best suggestion I've heard so far !! agreed. Im a vaga pilot and i love nano fun and games but tbh ive got to agree with a few of the whines. nothing wrong with a lot of speed and it shouldnt be over nerfed but ive lost my fear of jumping into systems now because theres almost zero risk . the moment where local chat loads first and you see 20 targets in a system that should be empty and know theres a camp at one of 2 gates is a level of brick shiting i just havnt felt in a while. this toon isnt massivly skilled and i dont have a full set of Snakes but im yet to be caught in low sec and i know ive bumped into much better pilots in both solo ships and well formed fleets. simply put, surely if a 7 month old character can fly through busy low sec systems packed with skilled pirates and have no fear of being caught by any one then a nerf is in order.
Larkonis Trassler Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:20:00 - [14] Originally by: Leviathan9 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 09/07/2008 14:05:06 Edited by: Leviathan9 on 09/07/2008 14:04:56 Theres light and med neut drones. Maybe you should use those instead hehe. Funny joke, I liek. Assumption of Risk
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:21:00 - [15] Completeley agree that webber drones should be smalls not heavys. 5-7k base is wayyy OTT though, EV-600's have a base speed of 2.7k and on a purpose fit vexor (read: suicide dronelink/nav/signal amp fit) they'll do 6k, warrior II's will do 11k (but are useless at that speed) There are big issues with drones when you get them to go insane speeds, they over-orbit massiveley unless their mwd speed nearley matches the speed of your target, sending 11km/s drones after an 6.5km/s target will result in absoluteley nothing, drones that are slightley too slow will do nothing, and drones that are too much too fast will just over-orbit and either not activate or not be able to track. Wouldent be as bad a problem for web drones but you still don't want drones that fast by their base speeds. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:31:00 - [16] Nanoships aside, extra webbing on your target is always nice when you're in a blasterboat. /signed - DesuSigs
FlameGlow Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:38:00 - [17] Allright, let's say you're piloting Cerberus and your missiles do sucky damage against nanoship. How does your idea help poor Cerberus that has no drone capabilities? Why Gallente droneboats(pretty good already, and can use swarm of Warrior IIs against nanos) get even more tactical options from your suggestion?
Lieutenant Isis Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:39:00 - [18] This is a really great idea, one of the best anti-nano ideas I've heard. And its useful in other situations as well (sniping domi anyone?). I'm only concerned that with a full flight it would replace a regular weber, which is not cool. They must be weak enough to not totally replace the regular webbing mod, say like 35-50% with a full flight?
Lieutenant Isis Gristle Industries	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:42:00 - [19] Originally by: FlameGlow Allright, let's say you're piloting Cerberus and your missiles do sucky damage against nanoship. How does your idea help poor Cerberus that has no drone capabilities? Why Gallente droneboats(pretty good already, and can use swarm of Warrior IIs against nanos) get even more tactical options from your suggestion? The cerb may not have a drone bay, but most other caldari ships do (drake, raven, ferox, caracal, rokh, scorp, etc.), and 25 m3 would be all that is required.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.07.09 14:46:00 - [20] Originally by: MenanceWhite How sad, how fast could warrior IIs go with 3 nav computers? Was'nt it around 8k or so I heard. Real question: How fast can 5 warrior II take down an assault cruiser with 9k shield and 3k armor/structure? How much time will that give to said nano to kill the warriors or run? ------------------------------------------
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries Ultionis Quietus	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:10:00 - [21] Edited by: Korizan on 09/07/2008 15:14:36 Well drones take time to engage and smart bombs take out drones. And the large drones only do 30 % ? per drone.... And if they introduced small ones all they might do is discourage a nano ship. They would hardly be instant death as a nano oonly needs to get out 20 km and warp away which isn't very long @ any speed. And as far as them replacing web modules. Not likely as the first thing you would want to do after getting a few points on the target is make sure he/she is webbed good with a module or 2. But the problem is not going to be nano ships then. Here is just one new problem (and this is all the ships who aren't nano'd). It is going to be intercepters with drone bays who now are ALOT more deadly then they where before. Now not only can you point someone @ 19 KM and orbit @ a decent speed but now you can stop them dead in there tracks as well. SO I am more concerned with the effects on every other ship then just the nano's with such a change.
Fangedterror Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Korizan Well drones take time to engage and smart bombs take out drones. And the large drones only do 30 % ? per drone.... And if they introduced small ones all they might do is discourage a nano ship. They would hardly be instant death as a nano online needs to get out 20 km and warp away which isn't very long @ any speed. And as far as them replacing web modules. Not likely as the first thing you would want to do after getting a few points on he target is make sure he/she is webbed good with a module or 2. But the problem is not going to be nano ships then. Here is just one new problem. It is going to to be intercepters with drone bays who now are ALOT more deadly then they where before. Now not only can you point someone @ 19 KM and orbit @ a decent speed but now you can stop them dead in there tracks as well. SO I am more concerned with the effects on every other ship then just the nano's with such a change. Very true and a good point. But one could argue that web drones could be used to take out the interceptor as well :) Also if you where pinned down by an interceptor it doent matter if hes got a web on you. an interceptor can always keep up. But also the problem arises that if its a interceptor vs interceptor battle and one pulls out web drones. and the other canno because it has no drone space. then theirs a problem. Need some Help with EVE? -Guides -Ship Setups -People Singing for their ships -Eve Time Cards -and MORE!!!! www.eve-onlineguides.com
Tippia Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Lieutenant Isis I'm only concerned that with a full flight it would replace a regular weber, which is not cool. They must be weak enough to not totally replace the regular webbing mod, say like 35-50% with a full flight? I guess this relies on only having small webber drones? If not, people would just get around it by cycling in increasingly heavier webbers until the poor sucker has 5 heavies on him and is moving at roughly 2m/s.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: MenanceWhite How sad, how fast could warrior IIs go with 3 nav computers? Was'nt it around 8k or so I heard. Real question: How fast can 5 warrior II take down an assault cruiser with 9k shield and 3k armor/structure? How much time will that give to said nano to kill the warriors or run? Way too much time, obviousley I've actually tried various ships and fits for oddball "nano-drone" setups in real combat, and while its possible to get drones up to the speeds required, none of the combat drones has anywhere near enough firepower to threaten a HAC, they are at best a cheep and horribly painful to fly alternative to an Eagle (or any long range anti-support ship) for taking out interceptors, frigs and desi's. The energy neut drones are fast enough for some targets, but don’t neut enough cap to bother HACs, web drones and hammerhead II’s are too slow, Valkyrie II’s will reach the speed of a very slow and stupid vaga pilot (5.5k) and do add useful damage, but you still need a few inte pilots to hold him down regardless of any effect you may have and if someone else has him webbed your not adding anything that anyone else can't do. EC-300’s will do about 7km/s, 600’s will do 6km/s, and are acutely quite handy if all you have to kill the nanohac is interceptors and you want to do all you can to keep them alive... Except a blackbird can do the exact same job and isn’t limited to maximum drone control range of 100-160km (drone link/nav vexor/domi) What I’m basically getting at here is although nano-drones do look awesome and you’ll get the odd "lol didn’t see that one coming" in local, its all more or less pointless stuff that could be done in other ways. All the other electronic warfare drones are basically useless. So yeah... make web drones light sized and fix all the useless EW drones /signed. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Akiba Penrose PAK	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:51:00 - [25] Originally by: Fangedterror Give us Light webber drones that can do 5-7k (base) they are easy to kill, and only web the target down by 60 or so percent. wow,, only 60%?? that was modest of you SW-900 stats Maybe you should check out the existing webberdrones first? If you implemented SW-300 drones with 7000mps base speed and 60% web bonus it would be like giving every ship with a dronebay 60km web range.
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:52:00 - [26] We had this exact same topic last month. Way to go, HI5!
Fangedterror Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Akiba Penrose Originally by: Fangedterror Give us Light webber drones that can do 5-7k (base) they are easy to kill, and only web the target down by 60 or so percent. wow,, only 60%?? that was modest of you SW-900 stats Maybe you should check out the existing webberdrones first? If you implemented SW-300 drones with 7000mps base speed and 60% web bonus it would be like giving every ship with a dronebay 60km web range. OOO lemme be more clear By 60% i meant all the drones combined would give a 60% reduction in speed. I donno if you knew what i ment by this :) THB i donno if this is to much or too little i just put an number in there. Need some Help with EVE? -Guides -Ship Setups -People Singing for their ships -Eve Time Cards -and MORE!!!! www.eve-onlineguides.com
Axel Four	Posted - 2008.07.09 15:57:00 - [28] yay lets ruin ships that are meant to go fast as well with this, as if they wernt already paper thin.
Alski Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:03:00 - [29] Originally by: Fangedterror Originally by: Akiba Penrose Originally by: Fangedterror Give us Light webber drones that can do 5-7k (base) they are easy to kill, and only web the target down by 60 or so percent. wow,, only 60%?? that was modest of you SW-900 stats Maybe you should check out the existing webberdrones first? If you implemented SW-300 drones with 7000mps base speed and 60% web bonus it would be like giving every ship with a dronebay 60km web range. OOO lemme be more clear By 60% i meant all the drones combined would give a 60% reduction in speed. I donno if you knew what i ment by this :) THB i donno if this is to much or too little i just put an number in there. Pritty sure that 60% is already the maximum since one of the reason web drones are so bad (aside from big size/slow speed) is because they have a stacking penalty. - (combat) Patch belonging to CCP hits your drones, wrecking their liberty and freedom.
Akiba Penrose PAK	Posted - 2008.07.09 16:35:00 - [30] Originally by: Alski Pritty sure that 60% is already the maximum since one of the reason web drones are so bad (aside from big size/slow speed) is because they have a stacking penalty. Yeah, but now i see they dont have a stacking penalty in EFT anymore, (just checked) and im 100% certain they had earlier. Have there been a change (stealth boost) to web drones or is it just EFT that is bugged?

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