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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:00:00 -
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I'd rather have warp scrambling drones... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akiba Penrose Yeah, but now i see they dont have a stacking penalty in EFT anymore, (just checked) and im 100% certain they had earlier. Have there been a change (stealth boost) to web drones or is it just EFT that is bugged?
Thanks, now i'm gonna have to fly my alt 30j to test this -
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Satai Ronin
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Plumpy McPudding
Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist I want Doomsday Drones.
I want a pony!
I want a firetruck!
Capuchino here... plz...
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Avitar
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: MacGrowler III You're probably gonna hate this comment but here goes .....
Thats the best suggestion I've heard so far !!
Yup, have to agree with you, not a bad idea
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:21:00 -
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I like this idea.
ALL the E-War drones really need to be looked at again. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Skeeve
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:18:00 -
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Nav comps dont help against nano's. Even if your heavies go 10k with them, it means they are microwarping. What happens, when they get in range is: -they turn MWD OFF -they start to lock -they already are out of range with mwd off, before they are locked on target. -they start up MWD again -they catch up again
and repeat.
It doesnt work, its silly.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:24:00 -
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Just get me some tracking comp (or script) that allows me to hit anything that orbits me at 8 km/s+. I would even go so far and accept a 50% dmg-reduction to be able to hit them.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.07.09 21:44:00 -
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To be honest, this is one of the better nano counter ideas I've heard proposed - it doesn't involve buffing one race or nerfing nanos, is simple and multi-racial, and gives the nanoships being targeted a new challenge for them to overcome.
There is one problem that pops up in my mind. Say a nanoship jumps into a 0.0 camp with a bubble up, and an inty and bunch of Domis on grid - the pilot attempts to run back to the gate or burn out, but the inty is sensor-boosted and controlling their light webber drones. Can you say insta-web, or something close to it?
I'd recommend that their individual strengths be kept low though, say 5% per light drone - a ship using 5 would web them down to about 77% max velocity, and 6 ships using them would web them down to about 20% max speed. Thought with this is that it doesn't replace on-board webbers, but rather gives tacklers a chance to close on the ship and use them, while the nanopilot would be able to destroy some of them in the meantime.
Neut drones should also be looked at, hell, all the EW drones really should (save ECM drones).
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:15:00 -
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Light Webber Drones are a good idea IMO. Even if you could only slow a target down by 25% with 5 of them it'd be effective enough. ...
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Lurana Lay
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.07.09 22:25:00 -
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Better Light Webber Drones and as fast as Warrior II's? Hell yeah.
Oh, and I want Precion Heavy Webber missiles that can actually hit something going faster than a snail. Hell, I want ANY Precision missiles that can hit and damage soemthing faster than a snail.
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Fangedterror
Caldari The Devils Brigade The Threshold
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous I'd rather have warp scrambling drones...
Lol i want drones that web, scram, shoot, and jam..
All at once.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.07.10 15:52:00 -
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Someone post this in the assembly hall _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Blutreiter
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.07.10 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Skeeve Nav comps dont help against nano's. Even if your heavies go 10k with them, it means they are microwarping. What happens, when they get in range is: -they turn MWD OFF -they start to lock -they already are out of range with mwd off, before they are locked on target. -they start up MWD again -they catch up again
and repeat.
It doesnt work, its silly.
Wrong. EW drones have considerably larger effective ranges once they get into activation range. The webber drones will continue to web until the target is 10kms away from the drone, even if it wants to get close for the initial effect activation.
Hmmm, do EW drones actually stop working while they MWD boost to follow a target? Don't think so. Can someone confirm this actually?
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Riffler
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Posted - 2008.07.10 17:14:00 -
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I've long thought that utility drones need an overhaul - webbers, ECM and neuts. Maybe other ways of getting a slight, temporary web or cap hit on a fast moving target could be looked at too - web bubbles, cap neut and web missiles etc.
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Wayward Hero
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.07.11 19:32:00 -
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This idea has been brought up before, and it is a good idea.
Faster but weaker webber drones would be a good addition to the game, they facilitate fighting speed-tanked targets, and are counterable by being fragile and destroyable.
Drones such as
Warrior SW-300 4000m/s speed, 7% speed reduction per drone. 5 drones reduces target to 70% top speed.
Valkyrie SW-600 2750m/s speed, 13% speed reduction per drone. 5 drones reduces target to 50% top speed.
To catch the fastest ships would require fitting a drone nav computer or two, a reasonable trade-off.
Tech II drone nav computers would be most welcome also, a 30 - 35% boost to speed instead of the 25% from tech I.
Come to think of it, tech II versions of all the drone upgrades would be great. Drone Link Augs, Nav Comps, and Omnidirectionals.
Also, an overhaul of all the EW and combat utility drones would be great. More variety, better utility (read: better speed/effectiveness).
In summary: Drone love pls
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Morfane
The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:02:00 -
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I asked a dev about this at one of the roundtables at the last fanfest. The reply was basically "can't put them in, they would be too uber".
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Bo Bojangles
Black Reign The Five
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:14:00 -
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He's right, they would be too uber,...
Originally by: Fangedterror
Originally by: Korizan Well drones take time to engage and smart bombs take out drones. And the large drones only do 30 % ? per drone....
And if they introduced small ones all they might do is discourage a nano ship. They would hardly be instant death as a nano online needs to get out 20 km and warp away which isn't very long @ any speed.
And as far as them replacing web modules. Not likely as the first thing you would want to do after getting a few points on he target is make sure he/she is webbed good with a module or 2.
But the problem is not going to be nano ships then. Here is just one new problem. It is going to to be intercepters with drone bays who now are ALOT more deadly then they where before. Now not only can you point someone @ 19 KM and orbit @ a decent speed but now you can stop them dead in there tracks as well.
SO I am more concerned with the effects on every other ship then just the nano's with such a change.
Very true and a good point. But one could argue that web drones could be used to take out the interceptor as well :) Also if you where pinned down by an interceptor it doent matter if hes got a web on you. an interceptor can always keep up. But also the problem arises that if its a interceptor vs interceptor battle and one pulls out web drones. and the other canno because it has no drone space. then theirs a problem.
I think it's fair to say that if they made a good light webbing drone, then in every engagement everyone would be webbed because it'd just be too good.
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Armoured C
Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.07.11 20:19:00 -
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t2 warriors with range bonus's on the top on a domi so 154km can be obtained meds with drone speed mods and bottoms with civi cargo expanders for the fun
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.07.11 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Bo Bojangles I think it's fair to say that if they made a good light webbing drone, then in every engagement everyone would be webbed because it'd just be too good.
The point would be a weak light & medium webber drone. Look at how "powerful" the heavy webber drones are versus how often they are used. The one drone that could web isn't fast enough to catch much.
Most ships don't have much space for spare drones. They would be forced to decide between webber drones or extra dps.
Fielding 5x light drones at 3-5% web each wouldn't be game breaking. The speed of the webber drone is more important then its web effect.
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