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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:06:00 -
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Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
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Valandril
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:08:00 -
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If you don't know which one you want, you don't need it.
none of them is for carebearing.
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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:16:00 -
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why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
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Drezzster
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:19:00 -
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 Originally by: Atesteria
Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
Not sure...
Kronos is the only dread that could possibly do lvl5's solo due to drone bay. Carrier I believe is the way to go if you want to try and solo missions.
Siege is a baaaad idea, you will be a sitting duck for any pirate and his homies that happen to scan you down.
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:21:00 -
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Formula One vs Top Fuel dragster
Pros and cons?
Does a Top Fuel dragster cost fuel to keep running while I make a quick trip into the bank? Can any of them haul stuff while I do errands around town and drive to and from work?
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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drezzster
Originally by: Atesteria
Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
Not sure...
Kronos is the only dread that could possibly do lvl5's solo due to drone bay. Carrier I believe is the way to go if you want to try and solo missions.
Siege is a baaaad idea, you will be a sitting duck for any pirate and his homies that happen to scan you down.
Kronos is a maruauder i was talking about Moros. but i think you know what i mean.
does moros cost anything to be in siege mode or flying it. Dont you need a lot of firepower to be abel to take a moros down
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Matrixcvd
Caldari
Rionnag Alba
The Requiem
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
because if you haven't played long enough, you ask questions like this. And if you have to ask questions like this you shouldn't be flying the ships.
Moral of the story, don't max the credit card out buying GTCs for a Cap pilot and cap ship, just to fit it with T1, fly it into a blackhole and get ganked while becoming the laughin stock of eve for all of 2 seconds while we wait for the next fail capital fit. Cap boosters and shield extender I's for the chimera anyone?
or come play near me and i can gank you, either way, your asking which way does the gun barrel point and you want to get dropped onto the beach at normandy. Fly your T1, skill up, then these questions will become, DUH!
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:31:00 -
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Dreadnought because all the pirates will be scared of it and warp off if they see you and wont attack you in it.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
Originally by: Drezzster
Originally by: Atesteria
Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
Not sure...
Kronos is the only dread that could possibly do lvl5's solo due to drone bay. Carrier I believe is the way to go if you want to try and solo missions.
Siege is a baaaad idea, you will be a sitting duck for any pirate and his homies that happen to scan you down.
Kronos is a maruauder i was talking about Moros. but i think you know what i mean.
does moros cost anything to be in siege mode or flying it. Dont you need a lot of firepower to be abel to take a moros down
You need some firepower, yeah, but you can bet as soon as people find you trying to do a mission, firepower will arrive shortly.
As far as the arrogance in the forum, meh, it's a forum. You'll always find that, heh. For the most part I think people are trying to help out by encouraging people with low skills/new to the game not to fly expensive ships until they know how the game works. Sometimes it's taken a bit far imho, and you'll find protectionist carebears encouraging people not to do level 4's until they have 10 million SP or something silly. But here, I think it's fair to say that you shouldn't be buying a carrier or a dread, and in any case they aren't meant for missioning.
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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Atesteria
Originally by: Drezzster
Originally by: Atesteria
Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
Not sure...
Kronos is the only dread that could possibly do lvl5's solo due to drone bay. Carrier I believe is the way to go if you want to try and solo missions.
Siege is a baaaad idea, you will be a sitting duck for any pirate and his homies that happen to scan you down.
Kronos is a maruauder i was talking about Moros. but i think you know what i mean.
does moros cost anything to be in siege mode or flying it. Dont you need a lot of firepower to be abel to take a moros down
You need some firepower, yeah, but you can bet as soon as people find you trying to do a mission, firepower will arrive shortly.
As far as the arrogance in the forum, meh, it's a forum. You'll always find that, heh. For the most part I think people are trying to help out by encouraging people with low skills/new to the game not to fly expensive ships until they know how the game works. Sometimes it's taken a bit far imho, and you'll find protectionist carebears encouraging people not to do level 4's until they have 10 million SP or something silly. But here, I think it's fair to say that you shouldn't be buying a carrier or a dread, and in any case they aren't meant for missioning.
So if pirate scan 5-6 dreadnoguth or 5-6 carriers or a combo of the 2 sorths they will attack?
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Atesteria
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Matrixcvd
Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
because if you haven't played long enough, you ask questions like this. And if you have to ask questions like this you shouldn't be flying the ships.
Moral of the story, don't max the credit card out buying GTCs for a Cap pilot and cap ship, just to fit it with T1, fly it into a blackhole and get ganked while becoming the laughin stock of eve for all of 2 seconds while we wait for the next fail capital fit. Cap boosters and shield extender I's for the chimera anyone?
or come play near me and i can gank you, either way, your asking which way does the gun barrel point and you want to get dropped onto the beach at normandy. Fly your T1, skill up, then these questions will become, DUH!
LOL i am a nice bear but I would be a ****** flying in priate space with my nice sweet dominix. Also 700mill for a carrier dosent take that long to gather togeather.
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Yohanes Flame
Burning Sky Labs
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:47:00 -
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Carriers or Dreads without support ships = dead.
Carrier or Dread in a mission = free pirate loot.
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Point Zero Corp
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
simple. because you are asking a ******ed stupid noobish question, that has been answered many many times.
let me lay it out for you.
if you are mission runner you don't need them.
if your corp doesn't operate in 0.0 or low sec, you don't need them.
if you are a solo player, you really have almost no use for them.
if you need to ask "whats better, carrier or dreadnought", like you just did, then you don't need them
doing mission in them is pointless, unless level 5 missions... but for that you need a good corp to protect the carrier/dread. this means its still not a solo boat.
carriers and dread require a good corp. they are not solo ships.
by the time you feel that you need them you will already know what is better for what.
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Solid Trust
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:48:00 -
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People usually start out with a Carrier as they are much more versatile. A Dread is mainly for POS warefare.
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Riho
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Riho on 09/07/2008 14:49:12
Originally by: Atesteria
So if pirate scan 5-6 dreadnoguth or 5-6 carriers or a combo of the 2 sorths they will attack?
yep :) i sure as hell would :D
EDIT: and then call all my friend to get easy kills :P
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Yes... this is my main.
Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:48:00 -
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The first question you need to ask is do level 5 missions have acceleration gates? If so, scratch your idea of using capitals. Most level 4's have gates, and so you'll be limited to doing The Blockade and a few others, and then only if you bother to jump into the system where the mission is located. The second question is whether it's really worth your time to jump your capitals to the mission system every time. As far as pirates, 5 unsupported carriers/dreads are out of the range of some gangs, but don't get it in your head that you can't be killed, heh. And at the end of the day, you have to ask is this remotely worth the cash you'll spend and risk. The answer should be no. 
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Valandril
Caldari
Exiled.
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
Arogant ? Stupid ? Bad mannered ? Thanks, that's my names.
And my post pretty much sumarize your question, because this is "teh truth".
And with all this, you didn't bother using eve-search, coz this question was asked 38972853895384759346578 times.
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
Pros and cons?
Does a dreadnought cost fuel to keep in siege mode?
Can any of them do any level 4 och 5 mission?
You want a carrier, dreads are for POS sieging / kill caps. Carrier is one of the most useful all round ships to be able to fly.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
So if pirate scan 5-6 dreadnoguth or 5-6 carriers or a combo of the 2 sorths they will attack?
It's likely to attract anyone in for a laugh in a 15-25 jumps radius. Nothing make people run as fast as hearing "capital tackled", and by running I mean toward the tackled capital.
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Atlanticpyro
The Space BorderLine
Diabolic Paradox
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:09:00 -
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Carrier is best for missions as long as you fit with faction/ officer moduals. Will make lvl 5's a brease.
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bluebeyond
DEATHFUNK
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:21:00 -
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Someones been taking stupid pills.
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Arvald
Caldari
Aurora Acclivitous
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
he is giving very good advice, capital ships are for destroying other cap/supercap ships and sieging pos/outposts, not much use other than that
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Stealthbomber combat (or as i like to call it: Just because you are paranoid don't mean there isnt a invisible demon about to eat your face) |
goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:09:00 -
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Dont run missions in either one.
Yes the dread uses fuel.
The difference is the dread is used for anti pos and anti cpital, whereas the carrier is used for anti everything else.
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Caffeine Junkie
2 Guys In Motherships
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: goodby4u
The difference is the dread is used for anti pos and anti cpital, whereas the carrier is used for anti everything else.
And both die a whole lot easier than you would have thought.
Nothing special, not big or clever, just 20 fighters and one hell of a tank.... |
Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:23:00 -
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A carrier might be useful for a few Lv5s that allow it, but caps really aren't missions ships. You can tank Lv5s with much lighter ships and a carrier doesn't really dps any better than some of the nicer mission BS fits.
As for a dread, the moros does have nice drone dps but siege mode would be pretty much worthless in a mission. You wouldn't hit jack.
Using a cap in a mission also makes you a big target for anyone roaming through, not just pirates, and even a cap could potentially get taken down by one of those missions that has a bunch of nasty neuters if mistakes are made.
So in short, pick the right tools for the job, dreads are for shooting caps and posses, carriers are for general logistics and support... neither is a great mission ship.
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Mini Timmy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow
Dreadnought because all the pirates will be scared of it and warp off if they see you and wont attack you in it.
stop hogging all the dread kills gneez 
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La5eR
Amarr
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:05:00 -
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Well, with all the folks palatherin about nothing and flaming about everything. I am going to answer the question to the best of my ability.
Dreads are great for 1 shotting stationary targets but suck for moving ones unless going under 50m/s and are at least 100k away from you. They have a sizeable tank and are great for hauling things jump-freighter style.
Carriers are the same way but have no minimal range limit due to their ability to throw out lots of drones.
Those are just some very brief aspects of the two. But as said above you shouldnt use them for doing missions/ratting/plexing EVER. These ships are meant for corp-to-corp, alliance-to-alliance, or cap ship warfare. If you dont have the skills to run level IV's or greater in a BS class ship or lower spend the next 6 months working on your skills but work for tanking first as a dead ship is a lost ship, after that work on your weapon skills.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:25:00 -
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I miss the times where Capitals could go through accel gates. All those Carriers in Annacale farming L4s, just waiting to be probed down... 
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.07.09 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Atesteria
why are peopel so freaking arogant in this forum.
Because people look at their skillpoints total and their killboard score and get a superiority complex. They also spend so much time of their no-life gathering so much knowledge about the game that they feel the need to come here and brag about them knowing it all and you being 'a noob that ask pointless questions and dont deserve to be in a carrier or even think about getting one eventually'.
Thats basically why. I didn't bought an account, know pretty much all about the game and those guys still makes me want to puke.
And I'd say the carrier is the most versatile of the two. The other just shoots POS and capital ships.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.09 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Caffeine Junkie
Originally by: goodby4u
The difference is the dread is used for anti pos and anti cpital, whereas the carrier is used for anti everything else.
And both die a whole lot easier than you would have thought.
What is that suppose to mean? I was just answering his question.
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