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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.20 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 20/07/2008 22:32:10
 Originally by: Jade Constantine
Waste of space
Let me get this straight.
Dynamic agents, FW storyline, and the especially bio length is considered by you-the CSM-to be of the utmost importance.
And yet the stupidity of local as an intel tool is not worthy. Too hot a potato for you guys? Not even a hint of improved scanner functionality perhaps leading to a replacement "intel tool" for the lazy pilots that can't be asked to learn how to use the scanner?
Aside from giving Gallente Recons the love they deserve-or at least "escalating" (whatever the hell that means)...allow me to present you a golf clap for ignoring real items of interest for those who actually play EvE as opposed to yapping about it.
Exactly how much longer do EvE pilots have to put up with you and the majority of your fellow CSM reps catering to your own individual agenda's and preferences?
It's time's like this where I seriously contemplate paying for my game via ISK-for-GTC as opposed to my current sub via cc. At least I wouldn't be subsidizing stupid free trips to Iceland on my friggin dime  .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 10:23:00 -
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Chatpron says absolutely nothing useful. Not even a remote discussion of alternatives to local.
CSM answer=sweep it under the rug and hope it goes away.
But do carry on CSM-believing you actually represent the playerbase.
I'm not trolling. Just calling you ALL out as I see it. Excuses and inattention=continued fail.
But at least you might be able to post awesome NPC wrecking shots ad naseum in player bios again . Because thats really important.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 12:31:00 -
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To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw man argument" is to describe a position that superficially resembles an opponent's actual view but is easier to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent (for example, deliberately overstating the opponent's position).
Get your definitions correct pal. The only "straw men" I see are on the CSM. To wit:
"Bane Glorious > local annoys everyone at times, but i'm not really sure if discussion on changing local is going to get anywhere; ideas are one thing but i'd prefer a more unstructured discussion, so i'll have to say nay, sorry"
I have read the chatlog...in it's entirety. Quote above is just a representative sample reinforcing lack of care or concern on the part of the CSM. True...you and JC may have voted yes to further discussions-yet neither of you back your yes reasons with any sembalance of ideas in order to make it an actual debate over pros-v-cons.
While CCP may not like the use of local as an intel tool-they are also two-faced in this regard as the last formal comment by a DEV regarding the current state of the onboard scanner is they "are not prepared to look into it at this time" or words to that effect (you can find that particular exact quote yourself...I'm not doing your work for you).
With regard to local as intel-v-scanner...the main issue you fail to acknowledge is pilots in EvE are generally lazy and CAN'T BE ASKED TO LEARN TO USE THE SCANNER properly (and Lavista...I know from personal experience that YOU fail at that too).
Here...have a further silly comment from somone who obviously has no clue how to use the directional scanner properly (or when to use probes for that matter):
"Inanna Zuni > it is unreasonable to expect every ship to install a scan launcher, so it needs to be the ship one. if the ship one then will be affected by skills which means new players at a disadvantage where everyone gets local info at same moment currently."
Just wow  .
But perhaps with some simple tweaks...gee...the scanner currently can give automatic range values to celestial objects-perhaps allowing the same functionality for non-cloaked ships might encourage folks to use what is a simple 360-180-90-15 camera rotate process a bit easier? As opposed to the current stupidity of having to manually input ranges?
But no...lets agree not to discuss things. Or dare to discuss any of the valid player suggestions/options for improvement. And ignore the other threads with well-written reasoning and plenty of support in favor of improving bio's and other such nonesense that HAVE NO EFFECT ON ACTUAL GAMEPLAY .
Now don't get me wrong. Yes I am being harsh. And blunt. But I don't bullshit around and don't appreciate being spoon-fed bloated chatlogs as representative examples of you CSM folks doing your jobs properly.
TBH it would have been better had the CSM been left as a simple bit of player oversight regarding potential CCP-employee involvement in the game rather than the current self-interest group it has morphed into.
And me run for CSM? Cheers...but no thanks. There are far better players than me who actually care about the game and how it's played. And should I wish to roll up to Iceland and visit Jinx and the new ally smelter...I would do it on my own dime and not at the expense of other players money  .
Keep it simple-you folks should be about the gameplay in the context of EvE being a "cold, harsh, uncaring environment". Period.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Further waste of bandwidth
I'll return when you (and fellow CSM members) actually have something useful to say regarding game play in a "cold, harsh, unforgiving environment".
I'm not holding my breath. Put that in your hoped-for expanded bio.
I am also fully expecting to see this thread locked and deleted for daring to ask questions and challenge the CSM to actually be useful regarding game play.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.21 19:16:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 21/07/2008 19:16:19
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Stephen King-sized rant and rave
I'll make sure I put this into my soon-to-be un-nerfed bio.
Also....TL;DR 
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.07.23 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Frettren
Name calling isn't going to progress discussion very far. In fact, such actions could be considered in breach of forum rules, and in direct conflict with the 'higher' expected behaviour of CSM members and those with positions within the CSM. Read the documents carefully, unless of course you are thinking about changing these sections also?
CSM-Let your voice be heard
......selectively.
How dare anyone question the status quo?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way"
General George Patton USA
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